It's funny. When Trump won the election, I was against him

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The beautiful thing about social democracy is that I got to go to school for 12 years, followed by 8 years of university, all for free, while I had full health insurance, was easily able to afford a good debt free student life with just some little chill jobs on the side, and after all that I now get to make good money while still being able to shit on capitalism, partially for a living even.

But to answer your question why I am still here: After years of regularly smoking weed it appears I have caught a slight sleeping problem.

If you want future generations of Germans to enjoy those nice things, you should vote to end immigration immediately. You won't have those benefits if Germany becomes an Islamic shithole.
 
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Man, the level of unrealistic dreaming and not learning from history in this post is almost at the level of modern communists
But that's the point!

Every single person advocating these ideals will be quick to point out it isn't perfect, including myself. Capitalism absolutely leaves some disenfranchised. The freedom to make decisions neccesarily means some people will make bad decisions and have to suffer for them.

That's understood. It's part of the bargain. In exchange, we get liberty, and we get a shot through class mobility.

And history has shown us how powerful it is. America, for all its warts, is great. Capitalism, for all its warts [arguably the fault of government interference, but that's a different post], has lifted more people out of poverty and ushered in a world of wonders.

Socialism and communism have given us mass starvation, genocide, mass killings, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Lenin.

So yes, I'm going to go on record - if our goal is to create a better world, then let's go with liberty. It won't be perfect. But in not trying for perfection, we avoid a small Party killing off tens of millions and enforcing their will upon the rest.

I would love if simple ideas like UBI worked. It would be fantastic. But I don't think it will. In fact, I think it will backfire royally. And so I'd rather we focus on root problems, like the atrocious educational system, economic policies that are destroying poor communities, single motherhood, etc. and get us back on track.
 

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But that's the point!

Every single person advocating these ideals will be quick to point out it isn't perfect, including myself. Capitalism absolutely leaves some disenfranchised. The freedom to make decisions neccesarily means some people will make bad decisions and have to suffer for them.

That's understood. It's part of the bargain. In exchange, we get liberty, and we get a shot through class mobility.

And history has shown us how powerful it is. America, for all its warts, is great. Capitalism, for all its warts [arguably the fault of government interference, but that's a different post], has lifted more people out of poverty and ushered in a world of wonders.

Socialism and communism have given us mass starvation, genocide, mass killings, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Lenin.

So yes, I'm going to go on record - if our goal is to create a better world, then let's go with liberty. It won't be perfect. But in not trying for perfection, we avoid a small Party killing off tens of millions and enforcing their will upon the rest.

I would love if simple ideas like UBI worked. It would be fantastic. But I don't think it will. In fact, I think it will backfire royally. And so I'd rather we focus on root problems, like the atrocious educational system, economic policies that are destroying poor communities, single motherhood, etc. and get us back on track.
Yup. Anytime someone ignorant of historical governments bring up socialism, or some other form of government that "will be great and work better" I just point out the United States.

Good luck with any argument against that.

Also, I've read the thread and a German slamming Americas form of government is hilarious for so many reasons. I mean c'mon man. C'mon.
 

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Well, the US now has a President who is a self proclaimed nationalist and ideologically closer to Russia than to the post WW2 western order.
The US has alienated all of its western allies and lost the respect of any rational and civilized government.
While Trump doesn't get along with democratic and pluralistic states who represent western values, he gets along very well with dictators and despots who represent authoritarianism.

Trump has no idea what he is doing, so he put lobbyists directly in charge of the ministries they formerly had to lobby in order to exert some influence on.

CEO of one of the largest weapons manufacturers in the world, now in charge of national defense.
Fossil fuel lobbyist, now in charge of environmental protection agency.
Hedge fund manager, now in charge of the treasury.
Oil lobbyist, now in charge of interior.
Wall Street investor, now in charge of commerce.
Pharma lobbyist, now in charge of health and human services.

Thereby effectively ending corruption, because when corporations run the country to begin with, there is no need for corruption anymore. Corporate interest has been put above public interest. Facts, science, expertise don't matter anymore, because there is nobody left who cares.

The US has never had a good democratic system and it has always allowed for corruption to take hold, special interests were always able to push their interests over the interests of the public, their views and spins over facts.
But under Trump this has been dialed up to eleven and on top of that the US has undergone an ideological shift, from a liberal, pluralistic Republic thats politically right, to a nationalist, populist, authoritarian kleptocracy thats politically extreme right.

Trump is a mix of everything the US fought against over the past 80 years. Trump embodies the exact opposite of the western values the US tried to spread over the past 80 years.


Europe is now alone upholding liberal civilized standards. Surrounded by backwards and authoritarian ideology in the east (Russia and China) and now also in the West(the US). But in Europe these values are also under attack from the far right.
It's as if capitalism has afforded us a few decades of such wealth that we were able to find our humanity and rationality, but as soon as capitalism is at its wits end we regress into our primitive, savage and dull state.

If Trump and his ideology aren't exposed, this will mark the end of US leadership in the world for good.
For decades Russia tried to come up with something to fend off US influence, the same is true for China. They were legitimately scared that they would lose the battle of ideologies against the West. Not anymore.
Who knew that all it would take was a little nationalist populism and it would all come crumbling down.


But yeah, its the people pointing out all these issue who are the real problem.
Caring about your countries safety, patriotism, and moral freedoms is not authoritarian. You are so disillusioned that you are willing to take talking points from far left blogs and use them as your own ideas.

Nothing you posted is your own thoughts, you are just parroting the conspiracy theorists that try to take the negative out of every action done by the right. When in actuality you don't have a damn clue what you are talking about and can't formulate a thought without foaming at the mouth that people should care about the country and the constitution it was founded on. Which is the campaign Trump who is a fucking centrist, not a Republican ran.

Think about all the celebrities and media driven fucktards who loved Trump before he declaredhe was entering the presidential race as a Republican, maybe you'll have a better idea what the twisted indoctrination of the left has done to you..
 
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Trump winning was the best thing ever. I never met as many people becoming socialists/communists as I do now.
 
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Trump is starting to lose me with his out of control zionist guard dogs. The Iran false flags and threats don't look good. Millions of lives are in danger yet again. Will he join the halls of war crime fame alongside blair, bush, etc? I hope not.
 

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Trump is starting to lose me with his out of control zionist guard dogs. The Iran false flags and threats don't look good. Millions of lives are in danger yet again. Will he join the halls of war crime fame alongside blair, bush, etc? I hope not.
Bolton and Pompeo are part of the swamp and they control his foreign policy.
 

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I know he doesn't have as much influence as we'd like, but he needs to run through some kind of scheme to get rid of these swamp monsters.
 

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I mean I’ve never liked trump as a person, I don’t like him now, he’s like a used car salesman on steroids.

That’s irrelevant in 2019 when the opposition is literally insane. SAT scores not based on merit? Babies “aborted” after birth? Silicon Valley censoring, blocking, banning everything they disagree with.

They say power corrupts, but holy shit, watching people weened on leftist concepts of free speech build Silicon Valley and then use it to betray their own ideology is one of the saddest slowest train wrecks in my life.

There was a time I believed in google, believed in the internet, believed we were on the cusp of forever changing society through the free and easy access of all the worlds knowledge.

But there it is, the power to change the world, irresistible to the billionaire technocrats. What’s the point of having all the money in the world if you can’t direct how the world thinks, what the world knows, and limit the choices the world makes to those you deem “appropriate.”

Makes me sick to think about it.
 

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Hillary wanted to put up wind. Wind. If you ― if you have a windmill anywhere near your house, congratulations: Your house just went down 75 percent in value. And they say the noise causes cancer. You tell me that one, OK? “Rrrrr, rrrrr” ― you know the thing that makes the ― it’s so noisy. And of course it’s like a graveyard for birds. If you love birds, you’d never want to walk under a windmill because it’s a very sad, sad sight. It’s like a cemetery. We put a little, we put a little statute for the poor birds. It’s true. You know in California, if you shoot a bald eagle, they put you in jail for five years. And yet the windmills wipe ’em all out. It’s true. They wipe ’em out. It’s terrible.

And I told the other day at CPAC. Great people at CPAC. We had an incredible thing. I had nothing to do. It was early on a Saturday morning. I had just gotten had just gotten back from dealing with Kim Jong Un. We had a walk. He wasn’t ready for a deal but that’s OK because we get along great. He wasn’t ready. I told him, you’re not ready for a deal. That’s the first time anybody has ever told him that and left. It never happened to him before. Nobody’s ever left. But I said you’re not ready for a deal, but we’ll make a deal. We have a good relationship. We have a good relationship. But I told a story about, at CPAC.

The woman, she wants to watch television. And she says to her husband, “Is the wind blowing? I’d love to watch a show tonight, darling. The wind hasn’t blown for three days. I can’t watch television, darling. Darling, please tell the wind to blow.” No, wind’s not so good. And you know, you have no idea how expensive it is to make those things. They’re all made in China and Germany, but the way, just in case you’re ― we don’t make ’em here, essentially. We don’t make ’em here. And by the way, the carbon, and all those things flying up in the air, you know the carbon footprint? President Obama used to talk about the carbon footprint, and then he’d hop on Air Force One, a big 747 with very old engines, and he’d fly to Hawaii to play a round of golf. You tell me, the carbon footprint.”

-Donald Trump
 
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Stephen Fry touched on this topic in the Munk debate regarding Political Correctness. He said that Trump becoming President wasn't so much the Right's victory as it was the Left's loss and that the Left let it happen.

Now, I'm not particularly politically minded, in fact I normally painstakingly avoid politics, but I'm inclined to agree. I wouldn't be posting in this thread it it weren't for the amount of times politics, SJWs and the alt-right have bleeded into the things I enjoy and I think I speak for a lot of people who don't actively engaged in politics.

Speaking of which, I just voted and I had no idea what I was doing nor who I was voting for :messenger_sunglasses:
 

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Stephen Fry touched on this topic in the Munk debate regarding Political Correctness. He said that Trump becoming President wasn't so much the Right's victory as it was the Left's loss and that the Left let it happen.

Now, I'm not particularly politically minded, in fact I normally painstakingly avoid politics, but I'm inclined to agree. I wouldn't be posting in this thread it it weren't for the amount of times politics, SJWs and the alt-right have bleeded into the things I enjoy and I think I speak for a lot of people who don't actively engaged in politics.

Speaking of which, I just voted and I had no idea what I was doing nor who I was voting for :messenger_sunglasses:
Not the left, but liberals loss. That and Hillary couldn't find Michigan and Wisconsin on the map.
 

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Not the left, but liberals loss. That and Hillary couldn't find Michigan and Wisconsin on the map.
I heard a story that Bill advised Hillary to actively visit states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Hillary refused, for some odd reason. Anybody heard other stories like that?
 
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