It's getting hot in Venezuela: US backs opposition as "Venezuela President"

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US President Donald Trump has said he recognises Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaidó as interim president.
It came minutes after the 35-year-old declared himself as acting leader in Caracas on Wednesday.
Tens of thousands of Venezuelans are taking to the streets in protest against President Nicolás Maduro.
Mr Maduro was sworn in for a second term earlier this month, after a poll considered a sham by much of the international community.
Venezuela has been in economic freefall for a number of years under his leadership.
Hyperinflation and key shortages, including of food, has forced millions out of the country.

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This is a mistake by Trump. I've been suprised the U.S has been so hands off the entire situation and it's been the right choice. As soon as the U.S. gets involved chavistas and other leftists will rally around it's "anti-america " sloganeering to shore up support

Maduro and other leftists leaders in the region have been weakened by the fact that Trump doesn't talk about them. He doesn't offer himself as a talking point. Allow Maduro's reign to die naturally
 
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This is a mistake by Trump. I've been suprised the U.S has been so hands off the entire situation and it's been the right choice. As soon as the U.S. gets involved chavistas and other leftists will rally around it's "anti-america " sloganeering to shore up support

Maduro and other leftists leaders in the region have been weakened by the fact that Trump doesn't talk about them. He doesn't offer himself as a talking point. Allow Maduro's reign to die naturally
The US can't stay out of it forever though. They have to jump in at the right time to insure that there will be no violence against the opposition once things have reached a certain point. They've done the same things in successful revolutions like that in the Philippines back in the 80's. The moment has come for Venezuela. We will see what happens.
 
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The US can't stay out of it forever though. They have to jump in at the right time to insure that there will be no violence against the opposition once things have reached a certain point. They've done the same things in successful revolutions like that in the Philippines back in the 80's. The moment has come for Venezuela. We will see what happens.
The heck we do. Venezuela and it's neighbors need to handle their own problems.
 
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The US can't stay out of it forever though. They have to jump in at the right time to insure that there will be no violence against the opposition once things have reached a certain point. They've done the same things in successful revolutions like that in the Philippines back in the 80's. The moment has come for Venezuela. We will see what happens.


Please no more US intervention. Trump is correct when he points out that we spend trillions of dollars and numerous lives only for the world community to badmouth us.
 

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Brazil, Paraguay, Argentina, Colombia and Chile also recognized Juan Guaidó as interim president.


Finally

Edt: apparently Canada still has not spoken about the situation
 
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The socialist government is a mess and it's not a safe country for a lot of people.

However, I don't back US coups or US interference, namely because they fuck it up most of the time.
 
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I'm glad many leaders are rising up against Maduro! His cruel socialist dictatorship is about to end! We South Americans have suffered long enough watching our brothers and sisters from Venezuela being murdered by the regime.
 
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The US can't stay out of it forever though. They have to jump in at the right time to insure that there will be no violence against the opposition once things have reached a certain point. They've done the same things in successful revolutions like that in the Philippines back in the 80's. The moment has come for Venezuela. We will see what happens.
Abso-fucking-lutey not. I'm tired of watching American soldiers being brought back under the flag for foreign scum who will immediately turn around and chant 'death to America' when we don't prop up their failing shitholes.
 
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Im conflicted. Maduro is a piece of shit and socialism is cancer. But im non-interventionist unless its a serious humanitarian crisis. I know people in venezuela are having trouble getting groceries, but im not sure it has crossed that threshold yet. Open to disagreements.
 
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As much of a fail as Maduro has been, this is just a coup. This guy has as little legitimacy as Maduro. He comes across as a bona-fied US puppet given the US reaction to his self-inauguration.

Only way for this to play out is to not play. Large swathes of Venezuelans support Maduro, and many in the cities don't. Let civil war take its natural course. What could of been over in Syria in under a year became an 8+ year orgy of destruction, claiming many more lives than necessary-because the US decided to pump money and arms to militant groups. What happened in Libya was even more Tragic. That state no longer exists-only on maps and its formerly prosperous population is the biggest component of the refugee influx into Europe.

Foreign meddling only fuels the carnage. but this was inevitable.

This will be South America's Syria. Russia, Turkey, China all back Meduro, as do some socialist states in SA, such as Bolivia etc. Even Mexico backs Meduro. The fuel is set, the flames are getting closer. I predict at least 1+ million deaths.

Edit: Maduro has the support of the Venezuelan military, expect opposition arrests.

High military command in Venezuela now publicly stating support for Nicolas Maduro as Commander in Chief. Says military backs Maduro. Without military support, the opposition cannot take control of the government and execute final stages of coup.
 
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Guaido is the legitimate president of Venezuela according to our constitution, since January 10th.

This map reflects which countries are recognizing Guaido as legitimate interim president:

As you can see, Mexico has not recognized Guaido. Some say it's because of Mexico's non-interventional policy but it could also be related to the fact that AMLO is a socialist. The other notable exception in the region is Bolivia, for its president is friends with Maduro.

This is a historical day for venezuelans and most of us are full of joy though also very anxious. The next hours will define our future as a nation, it seems.
 
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As much of a fail as Maduro has been, this is just a coup. This guy has as little legitimacy as Maduro. He comes across as a bona-fied US puppet given the US reaction to his self-inauguration.

Only way for this to play out is to not play. Large swathes of Venezuelans support Maduro, and many in the cities don't. Let civil war take its natural course. What could of been over in Syria in under a year became an 8+ year orgy of destruction, claiming many more lives than necessary-because the US decided to pump money and arms to militant groups. What happened in Libya was even more Tragic. That state no longer exists-only on maps and its formerly prosperous population is the biggest component of the refugee influx into Europe.

Foreign meddling only fuels the carnage. but this was inevitable.

This will be South America's Syria. Russia, Turkey, China all back Meduro, as do some socialist states in SA, such as Bolivia etc. Even Mexico backs Meduro. The fuel is set, the flames are getting closer. I predict at least 1+ million deaths.

Edit: Maduro has the support of the Venezuelan military, expect opposition arrests.


Both points are false.

Art. 233 of our constitution states
...Cuando se produzca la falta absoluta del Presidente electo o Presidenta electa antes de tomar posesión, se procederá a una nueva elección universal, directa y secreta dentro de los treinta días consecutivos siguientes. Mientras se elige y toma posesión el nuevo Presidente o la nueva Presidenta, se encargará de la Presidencia de la República el Presidente o Presidenta de la Asamblea Nacional. ...
Since the last presidential elections were not legitimate, Maduro is not president of Venezuela and since Guaidó is president of the National Assembly (elected by our people), he is interim president since the last presidential term expired. His self proclaiming today was a formality.

As to your second point, the vast majority of venezuelans despise Maduro and the government.
 
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Both points are false.

As to your second point, the vast majority of venezuelans despise Maduro and the government.
Semantics. Only force will decide legitimacy now. As for your second point, I wish. Like Assad, I have my doubts. Appearances can be deceptive. It's impossible to gauge levels of support in this volatile climate.
 
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Well this is good timing for Trump. Wartime presidents are assured election victory. If it kicks off in 2019 he can be wartime president come election time in 2020. Leftists in the Us are going to be reeing for another whole term. Trump can build an insurmountable campaign on the back of toppling a leftist regime.

However, back in the real world, we all know the motives behind this coup. Late in 2018 Russia started selling large amounts of gold reserves to Venezuela. Us won't allow smaller countries to leave the petro dollar system.
 
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Semantics. Only force will decide legitimacy now. As for your second point, I wish. Like Assad, I have my doubts. Appearances can be deceptive. It's impossible to gauge levels of support in this volatile climate.
Good points. We will have to see how this turns out, however, in my opinion, it's about time an action was taken. This pressure was only possible because Brazil turned right.

This is already a humanitarian crisis
 
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Only way for this to play out is to not play. Large swathes of Venezuelans support Maduro, and many in the cities don't. Let civil war take its natural course. What could of been over in Syria in under a year became an 8+ year orgy of destruction, claiming many more lives than necessary-because the US decided to pump money and arms to militant groups. What happened in Libya was even more Tragic. That state no longer exists-only on maps and its formerly prosperous population is the biggest component of the refugee influx into Europe.
That is nonsense, while many refugees come through Lybia there are virtually no refugees from Libya.

(Note Venezuela as top origin country for refugees to Spain)
 
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there are virtually no refugees from Libya.

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Those numbers are laughably incomplete and tell a misleading story. You're citing numbers of people who entered as registered migrants at border crossings. Millions more entered illegally. Never counted. Libya is currently in the middle of a Civil War. Prior to this civil war, during the last one, 500,000 Libyans left the country. Just because they're lost in the deluge of migration from Africa and Syria doesn't make them imaginary.
 
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:messenger_tears_of_joy:

Those numbers are laughably incomplete and tell a misleading story. You're citing numbers of people who entered as registered migrants at border crossings. Millions more entered illegally. Never counted. Libya is currently in the middle of a Civil War. Prior to this civil war, during the last one, 500,000 Libyans left the country. Just because they're lost in the deluge of migration from Africa and Syria doesn't make them imaginary.

"Libyans are the biggest component of refugees in Europe"
"No one knows where all the refugees in Europe come from"

Which one is it ?
 
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Im conflicted. Maduro is a piece of shit and socialism is cancer. But im non-interventionist unless its a serious humanitarian crisis. I know people in venezuela are having trouble getting groceries, but im not sure it has crossed that threshold yet. Open to disagreements.
I mean, Maduro's government is pretty much a dictatorship nowadays. The elections are just a small show.
 

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Venezuela crisis: Russia condemns bid to 'usurp power' from Maduro

Russia has condemned foreign powers for backing a Venezuelan opposition leader who declared himself interim president, calling it a bid to "usurp power".

Moscow said that the move violated international law and was a "direct path to bloodshed".

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Venezuela crisis: Russia condemns bid to 'usurp power' from Maduro

Russia has condemned foreign powers for backing a Venezuelan opposition leader who declared himself interim president, calling it a bid to "usurp power".

Moscow said that the move violated international law and was a "direct path to bloodshed".

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Worst Russian puppet ever.
 
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I am wary about this, not because I don't hate Maduro, but because historically interventionism has only given shitty Latin American dictators cover for being shitty.

That said, looking at the lists of countries who have recognized Guaidó or at least the National Assembly compared to those still recognizing Maduro as legitimate makes me less worried. It's basically every non authoritarian shithole country on one side.

I just hope in 30 years we aren't hearing douchebag revisionists spouting bullshit about how Maduro was about to create some socialist paradise on earth for the evil imperialist Americans got to him.
 
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Canada is in too.

I don't see anything wrong with this.
Venezuela crisis: Russia condemns bid to 'usurp power' from Maduro

Russia has condemned foreign powers for backing a Venezuelan opposition leader who declared himself interim president, calling it a bid to "usurp power".

Moscow said that the move violated international law and was a "direct path to bloodshed".

BBC
Hmm I guess Trump didn't get the memo. Better fire up the pee tapes and get on the phone with Cohen and send him another fiver to get Trump back on track.
 
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All he said was that he recognized duder as president. Same as a bunch of other countries. He didn't put him there, they didn't storm the place. When they start mobilizing troops the bulging veins in your foreheads can be justified.
 

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https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/sanders-statement-on-venezuela

Thursday, January 24, 2019
WASHINGTON, Jan. 24 – Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) issued the following statement Thursday on the political situation in Venezuela:


"The Maduro government in Venezuela has been waging a violent crackdown on Venezuelan civil society, violated the constitution by dissolving the National Assembly and was re-elected last year in an election that many observers said was fraudulent. Further, the economy is a disaster and millions are migrating.


"The United States should support the rule of law, fair elections and self-determination for the Venezuelan people. We must condemn the use of violence against unarmed protesters and the suppression of dissent. However, we must learn the lessons of the past and not be in the business of regime change or supporting coups – as we have in Chile, Guatemala, Brazil, and the Dominican Republic. The United States has a long history of inappropriately intervening in Latin American countries; we must not go down that road again."