It's getting hot in Venezuela: US backs opposition as "Venezuela President"

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Russian hired guns fly in to guard regime


Russian military contractors are believed to have flown into Venezuela in the past few days to beef up security for President Maduro in the face of opposition protests.

Yevgeny Shabayev, leader of a local chapter of a paramilitary group of Cossacks with ties to Russian military contractors, said that there could be as many as 400 Russian contractors in Venezuela. Other sources spoke of smaller groups. They are associated with the so-called Wagner group of mercenaries; mostly ex-service personnel who fought clandestinely in support of Russian forces in Syria and Ukraine, according to interviews conducted by Reuters with dozens of contractors, their friends and relatives.


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Friendly relations and invited guests are not meddling.

Consider the Syrian situation. The only foreign powers legally in Syria (according to the UN) are Russia and Iran, because they were invited by Syria. You meddle when your stick your nose in uninvited. For example Russia meddles with Ukraine post-Yanukovich just as the US meddles with regimes hostile to it.
By that same logic the USA is not meddling because the rightful president has invited them.
 

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Venezuela crisis: Maduro given ultimatum by European leaders

Spain, Germany, France and the UK have warned Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro that he must call elections within eight days - or they will officially recognise the opposition.

Mr Maduro is under pressure after his rival Juan Guaidó declared himself "acting president" on Wednesday.

Several countries, including the US, already back Mr Guaidó as president.

Venezuela later rejected the ultimatum at a UN meeting, where divisions between world powers were laid bare.

Foreign Minister Jorge Arreaza told members of the UN Security Council in New York that Mr Maduro's presidency was legitimate, and the country would not be pressured into calling elections.

"Nobody is going to give us deadlines or tell us if there are elections or not," he said.

President Maduro was sworn in for a second term earlier this month, in an election marred by an opposition boycott and allegations of vote-rigging, leading to large anti-Maduro protests.


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Trump promised to not be the war president. I respect that and hope he commits. Not our fight.

I know they ran the oil companies out and assumed production. As @Cybrwzrd was saying, corporations have been fucking people over. Oil spills. Fracking. I recognize it’s fucked up what they did to the oil companies, but instead of promoting all the time messages of cleanliness, that they send people to Venezuela and teach them, help them become more efficient in oil production.
 

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Trump promised to not be the war president. I respect that and hope he commits. Not our fight.

I know they ran the oil companies out and assumed production. As @Cybrwzrd was saying, corporations have been fucking people over. Oil spills. Fracking. I recognize it’s fucked up what they did to the oil companies, but instead of promoting all the time messages of cleanliness, that they send people to Venezuela and teach them, help them become more efficient in oil production.
Well, Venezuala has been a total clusterfuck of authoritarianism and corporatists abusing that for profit. The government was working to enrich themselves with oil profits, and the oil companies wanted cheaper oil. Their "socialist" government was more about enriching Chavez and Maduro's ilk than providing stable governance to the people.
 

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Less than dubious argumets.


Regarding this wonderful picture:




A more to the "GDP story" of Comrade Chavez, Venezuela's GDP vs crude oil price (wolframalfa):



He did little more than just ride high oil price wave.
And then this happened with oil revenue:




Crude oil production in Venezuela (Chaves comes in 1999):



After Hugo Chávez officially took office in February 1999, several policy changes involving the country's oil industry were made to explicitly tie it to the state under his Bolivarian Revolution. Since then, PDVSA has not demonstrated any capability to bring new oil fields onstream since nationalizing heavy oil projects in the Orinoco Petroleum Belt formerly operated by international oil companies ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, Chevronand Total. Chávez’s policies damaged Venezuela's oil industry due to lack of investment, corruption and cash shortages.[27][28]

According to Corrales and Penfold, "Chávez was not the first president in Venezuelan history to be mesmerized by the promise of oil, but he was the one who allowed the sector to decline the most", with most statistics showing deterioration of the industry since the beginning of his presidency.[35]
So. What's your actual issue here? If you're going to cry about decorum don't turn around and fall down some other hole. Do you have an argument or an issue with my argument? Why did you start out objecting to my tone, double down, and then switch gears? Style or substance? If you have a problem with content you're awfully light on specifics.

Wanna know what I think? I think you thought you were making one kind of argument, and in the right, and now you're doing a big chart dump as a smokescreen. Are you feeling ready to own up to anything, here? Did you read the post I was quoting when you started bitching about civility?
 
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I wouldn't use Venezuelan GDP stats for anything, given that they use the false official exchange rates.

AFAIK the Venezuelan government stopped publishing GDP figures in bolivar in 2004, so any data after that point is completely inaccurate, as it is based off the government exchange rate.

The fact that we have seen a ~45% drop in GDP in the bogus made up stats should show you just how bad things have gotten. With the real exchange rates things look super bleak.
 
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No he wasn't and you know that.
No I don’t. The worst articles I found were saying he depressed the turnout. Then there are others saying there were international observers calling it a legitimate election. I do know that I don’t trust anything the media says. We should not continually get duped into pushing the globalists agenda. I learned my lesson after Iraq.
 

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I wouldn't use Venezuelan GDP stats for anything, given that they use the false official exchange rates.
Check charts in my post on the previous page.
GDP vs oil price in particular.
Chavez was lucky to have oil price raise. In parallel, he damaged oil industry.
When oil prices went down under Maduro, he could neither cut countries budget, nor keep its deficit in sane range, which led to hyperinflation (and exodus of nearly 10% of population)
 
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Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido thanked Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu late Sunday for recognizing his government earlier that day, while linking his political struggle with the end of the Holocaust.

“Seventy-four years ago, the Auschwitz concentration camp was liberated, and today, just as our country is also fighting for its freedom, we thank the Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu for the recognition and the support,” Guaido tweeted.

A few hours earlier, Netanyahu had issued a statement declaring Israel’s recognition as Guaido as interim president of the Latin American country.

“Israel joins the United States, Canada, most of the countries of Latin America and countries in Europe in recognizing the new leadership in Venezuela,” his statement read.
Meanwhile the Palestinians of course....

Palestinian Media Watch has found that the PA has unequivocally put itself behind the corrupt Maduro in direct opposition to the US, Canada, the EU and others. The following are some examples of the PA’s support for Maduro’s presidency in Venezuela:

PA Minister of Foreign Affairs Riyad Al-Malki participated in Maduro’s inauguration ceremony and also brought Maduro congratulations from PA Chairman Abbas:
“Al-Malki congratulated President Maduro on receiving the presidency, wished him success in his service of the Venezuelan people, and conveyed to him the congratulations and wishes of [PA President] Mahmoud Abbas and the Palestinian leadership that always stands by Venezuela and its people, as Palestine does not forget its friends."
[Official PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, Jan. 12, 2019]

The PA Foreign Ministry emphasized that it considers Maduro "legally elected" and “condemned several states” for their “interference” and “support of the coup attempt” against him
 
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The CIA plot is out in the open;
AP Exclusive: Anti-Maduro coalition grew from secret talks

The coalition of Latin American governments that joined the U.S. in quickly recognizing Juan Guaido as Venezuela’s interim president came together over weeks of secret diplomacy that included whispered messages to activists under constant surveillance and a high-risk foreign trip by the opposition leader challenging President Nicolas Maduro for power, those involved in the talks said.


In mid-December, Guaido quietly traveled to Washington, Colombia and Brazil to brief officials on the opposition’s strategy of mass demonstrations to coincide with Maduro’s expected swearing-in for a second term on Jan. 10 in the face of widespread international condemnation, according to exiled former Caracas Mayor Antonio Ledezma, an ally.


To leave Venezuela, he sneaked across the lawless border with Colombia, so as not to raise suspicions among immigration officials who sometimes harass opposition figures at the airport and bar them from traveling abroad, said a different anti-government leader, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss security arrangements.


Building consensus in the fragmented anti-government coalition proved to be an uphill battle. The opposition has for years been divided by egos and strategy, as well as a government crackdown that has sent several prominent leaders into exile, making face-to-face meetings impossible. Others inside Venezuela were being heavily watched by intelligence agencies, and all were concerned about tipping off the government.


Long sessions of encrypted text messaging became the norm, the opposition leader said. A U.S. official said intermediaries were used to deliver messages to Guaido’s political mentor and opposition power broker Leopoldo Lopez, who is under house arrest after he tried and failed to lead a mass uprising against Maduro in 2014. The U.S. official spoke on condition of anonymity out of security concerns.
https://apnews.com/d548c6a958ee4a1fb8479b242ddb82fd

What could possibly go wrong?
 
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You know who's getting sweaty and hot right now? The Democrats. Especially with the recent speculation that Maduro is looking for a way out. He is losing support from the military.

Can you imagine if Maduro flees the country and Venezuela is freed?
We're talking about a 20 foot statue of Trump in Caracas, at the minimum.
It's going to be the left's and Trump-hater's worst nightmare.
 
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You know who's getting sweaty and hot right now? The Democrats. Especially with the recent speculation that Maduro is looking for a way out. He is losing support from the military.

Can you imagine if Maduro flees the country and Venezuela is freed?
We're talking about a 20 foot statue of Trump in Caracas, at the minimum.
It's going to be the left's and Trump-hater's worst nightmare.
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In a show in state propaganda TV they show a poll which states that 79% of venezuelans would support a foreign intervention. The host reads it, knows they fucked up showing that and then say that it must be the other way around and they have to fix it. LoL.
 
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I could write a small essay here, but let's just say that I hope those who believe this will end soon are right.

I still find it uncertain, and the worst case scenario is something that I don't wish to explicitly write down.
 
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Its worth reminding all people that just years ago praised Venezuela and still in secret stand with the idiocy, that not once in the history of the world have been people fleeing capitalism to seek a better future in a socialist state but you see the opposite routinely throughout history and today.

 
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Venezuela was never any kind of utopia. It did have a period (or more than one, to be exact, because this sort of boom is cyclical) of economic prosperity due to increased oil prices and that led to a number of large social investments. Which are a good thing and, you will find, are still popular in Venezuela itself. That's not the root of their problems.
 
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Some things that question the main narrative...





And this one... They never told you about this one, did they...?
 
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Some things that question the main narrative...





And this one... They never told you about this one, did they...?
Lol.

1. The Government won't touch Guaidó because they are cowards and they know that the second they do that they'll be dead. They are largely useless, but they hold all the military power. Case in point

Everything else is just platitudes and propaganda.
 
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Good joke bro. In 2002 the US already ran a coup against Chavez. You really think this is some benevolent initiative by the US? It's all about the oil, and if you can't see that, I can't help you.
Everyone knows Colombia is the biggest drug cartel in the world and is even more corrupt than Venezuela. And through them, the US gets a bunch of smuggled drugs. Why aren't there sanctions on them? Nah... They get half a billion dollars a year instead.

Nothing's wrong right? Every story told in the US mainstream media is fine and dandy, even though the UN just recognized Maduro as the legitimate president. But obviously you didn't hear that, did you?

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...rs-discourse-with-venezuelan-president-maduro
https://www.france24.com/en/20190131-un-tells-venezuelas-guaido-government-must-agree-aid

This is what I predicted. The left will coalesce around Maduro, and defend him, because he is seen as anti-trump.

We shouldn't get involved with this. Let them starve until they eat Maduro
The South American left has more in common with the US right than the US left.
 
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Good joke bro. In 2002 the US already ran a coup against Chavez. You really think this is some benevolent initiative by the US? It's all about the oil, and if you can't see that, I can't help you.
Everyone knows Colombia is the biggest drug cartel in the world and is even more corrupt than Venezuela. And through them, the US gets a bunch of smuggled drugs. Why aren't there sanctions on them? Nah... They get half a billion dollars a year instead.

Nothing's wrong right? Every story told in the US mainstream media is fine and dandy, even though the UN just recognized Maduro as the legitimate president. But obviously you didn't hear that, did you?

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...rs-discourse-with-venezuelan-president-maduro
https://www.france24.com/en/20190131-un-tells-venezuelas-guaido-government-must-agree-aid


The South American left has more in common with the US right than the US left.
Sure they do. 🙄
 
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Sure they do. 🙄
You don't get it. In South America, the right is pro capitalism and big business, and against people owning guns. The left is Christian and against big business. Both sides are against what the US left likes, which is abortion, the whole progressive movement and victim playing and so on.
 
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And the official story isn't?
As a matter of fact, it is. There's plenty of propaganda on both sides of the Venezuela discussion.

Everyone knows Colombia is the biggest drug cartel in the world and is even more corrupt than Venezuela. And through them, the US gets a bunch of smuggled drugs. Why aren't there sanctions on them? Nah... They get half a billion dollars a year instead.
I believe the war on drugs has always been a sham and a scam, to be quite honest with you, but it's worth pointing out that Venezuela has become a transit point for those same drug cartels.

In other words, the Venezuelan authorities are not untouched by drug-related corruption, to say the least, in addition to that already derived from the historical concentration and mismanagement of oil wealth.

If anything, it's a sign of just how rich Venezuela was/is that in the recent past they had enough funds to both make real investments towards social progress as well as to fuel huge levels of corruption.
 
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I believe the war on drugs has always been a sham and a scam, to be quite honest with you, but it's worth pointing out that Venezuela has become a transit point for those same drug cartels.

In other words, the Venezuelan authorities are not untouched by drug-related corruption, to say the least, in addition to that already derived from the historical concentration and mismanagement of oil wealth.

If anything, it's a sign of just how rich Venezuela was/is that in the recent past they had enough funds to both make real investments towards social progress as well as to fuel huge levels of corruption.
All true. But the same cartels also come through all the countries between Colombia and the US, including Panama, Mexico, Nicaragua etc. If corruption really is the standard, why do we have Trump shaking hands with the likes of Muhammadu Buhari?
 
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All true. But the same cartels also come through all the countries between Colombia and the US, including Panama, Mexico, Nicaragua etc. If corruption really is the standard, why do we have Trump shaking hands with the likes of Muhammadu Buhari?
Evidently, we are not seeing Trump applying any consistent standards here. That's clear.
 
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Its worth reminding all people that just years ago praised Venezuela and still in secret stand with the idiocy, that not once in the history of the world have been people fleeing capitalism to seek a better future in a socialist state but you see the opposite routinely throughout history and today.

Thats fine and all. Socialism is indeed cancer. But explain to me why its our business? Same question for Iraq under Bush and Syria and Libya under Obama.
 
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Venezuela is doomed no mather who wins both bands are extremist , if Maduro manages to keep the power welcome to the new Cuba , if the other group wins with the help of U.S. military bye bye natural resourses aka OIL. U.S. will control oil and people inside Venezuela will get just cents.
 
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Good joke bro. In 2002 the US already ran a coup against Chavez. You really think this is some benevolent initiative by the US? It's all about the oil, and if you can't see that, I can't help you.
Everyone knows Colombia is the biggest drug cartel in the world and is even more corrupt than Venezuela. And through them, the US gets a bunch of smuggled drugs. Why aren't there sanctions on them? Nah... They get half a billion dollars a year instead.

Nothing's wrong right? Every story told in the US mainstream media is fine and dandy, even though the UN just recognized Maduro as the legitimate president. But obviously you didn't hear that, did you?

https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/...rs-discourse-with-venezuelan-president-maduro
https://www.france24.com/en/20190131-un-tells-venezuelas-guaido-government-must-agree-aid


The South American left has more in common with the US right than the US left.
LOLOLOLOL. You know nothing.
 
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Venezuela is doomed no mather who wins both bands are extremist , if Maduro manages to keep the power welcome to the new Cuba , if the other group wins with the help of U.S. military bye bye natural resourses aka OIL. U.S. will control oil and people inside Venezuela will get just cents.
You mean how it is like today? :unsure: I'm a lecturer at the most important university in the country and I get paid 6$ a month. The truth of the matter is that people remember how it was like before these thugs came to power and we had meritocracy in place. That's what people want to recover the most. And we have been allies with the US since a long time. Venezuela is not anti-USA. At least it wasn't before these animals started indoctrinating our children.

But people just want to masturbate themselves to some USA promoted coup conspiracy. It's ridiculous. We don't have a legitimate government. Nobody takes seriously the premise that this is a coup. Even more so that everything is being done by the book (constitution). Under the table discussions, meetings, etc... are just standard politics and it's funny that people latch onto that to construct some kind of overarching conspiracy theory. Quite honestly, fuck you. As if we were not aware of all the implications. We are not that stupid. We know the risks. It's the ONLY option left.
 
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LOLOLOLOL. You know nothing.
That is not an argument. If you don't have any, you might as well stay quiet as to not waste resources and others' time.

You mean how it is like today? :unsure: I'm a lecturer at the most important university in the country and I get paid 6$ a month.
You can thank the artificial crashing of the Bolivar for that.

The truth of the matter is that people remember how it was like before these thugs came to power and we had meritocracy in place.
Are you referring to before Maduro, when Chavez took power, or before Chavez, where the majority of Venezuelans lived in poverty and only a handful lived extremely comfortably?

That's what people want to recover the most. And we have been allies with the US since a long time. Venezuela is not anti-USA. At least it wasn't before these animals started indoctrinating our children.
Venezuela was indeed an ally of the US for a long time. Obviously when someone comes along that wants to fight against corporatism in order to help the poor, it's not going to make the country that is basically run by corporations happy.

But people just want to masturbate themselves to some USA promoted coup conspiracy. It's ridiculous. We don't have a legitimate government.
Tell that to the UN;
https://www.france24.com/en/20190131-un-tells-venezuelas-guaido-government-must-agree-aid

Nobody takes seriously the premise that this is a coup.
Really? I guess China, Russia, Mexico and a bunch of others are "nobody". And I guess all these chavistas in Venezuela are "nobody".

Even more so that everything is being done by the book (constitution).
Is Guaido's mission of wanting to immediately privatize the oil also part of the constitution?

Under the table discussions, meetings, etc... are just standard politics and it's funny that people latch onto that to construct some kind of overarching conspiracy theory.
The fact that this so-called 'conspiracy theory' is being labeled the "Russian" perspective should tell you something.

Quite honestly, fuck you. As if we were not aware of all the implications. We are not that stupid. We know the risks. It's the ONLY option left.
Really? Ok... Just to make sure you REALLY do know the implications, I'll be leaving this here, and just ignore the initial part I know you disagree with, and keep listening;

 
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That is not an argument. If you don't have any, you might as well stay quiet as to not waste resources and others' time.


You can thank the artificial crashing of the Bolivar for that.


Are you referring to before Maduro, when Chavez took power, or before Chavez, where the majority of Venezuelans lived in poverty and only a handful lived extremely comfortably?


Venezuela was indeed an ally of the US for a long time. Obviously when someone comes along that wants to fight against corporatism in order to help the poor, it's not going to make the country that is basically run by corporations happy.


Tell that to the UN;
https://www.france24.com/en/20190131-un-tells-venezuelas-guaido-government-must-agree-aid


Really? I guess China, Russia, Mexico and a bunch of others are "nobody". And I guess all these chavistas in Venezuela are "nobody".


Is Guaido's mission of wanting to immediately privatize the oil also part of the constitution?


The fact that this so-called 'conspiracy theory' is being labeled the "Russian" perspective should tell you something.


Really? Ok... Just to make sure you REALLY do know the implications, I'll be leaving this here, and just ignore the initial part I know you disagree with, and keep listening;

Keep pumping that narrative. I won't waste my time with you.
 
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Relevant:

In a show in state propaganda TV they show a poll which states that 79% of venezuelans would support a foreign intervention. The host reads it, knows they fucked up showing that and then say that it must be the other way around and they have to fix it. LoL.
It's easy to manipulate the people into demanding what you want.
Tell me something. Did the US sanctions and the gold theft by England help against Venezuelan hunger or contribute to it? And does that increase or decrease the amount of refugees? Does that weaken or reinforce Trump's idea for a wall or his other refugee policies? Those are questions that the people dying of hunger will never ask, because they simply want to eat, and if they want to eat, they'll beg for help to even the ones that caused the problem.

It's the problem reaction solution mantra that has been repeated many many times. You have to look further than what you're being told. Simply being Venezuelan doesn't validate your viewpoint. Especially because the suffering is used for manipulation.

Keep pumping that narrative. I won't waste my time with you.
Typical response when someone has no counter arguments. And I'm sorry what you'll have to go through after you accept the intervention. But, ask the countries that were invaded by the US before, whether they are now better off or not.

If you want true freedom, solve it yourself in your own country. Otherwise you will be a slave of the US forever. If 79% of Venezuelans REALLY want to get rid of Maduro, they can. There are a bunch of paramilitaries there that would be happy to assist as well.
 
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It's easy to manipulate the people into demanding what you want.
Tell me something. Did the US sanctions and the gold theft by England help against Venezuelan hunger or contribute to it? And does that increase or decrease the amount of refugees? Does that weaken or reinforce Trump's idea for a wall or his other refugee policies? Those are questions that the people dying of hunger will never ask, because they simply want to eat, and if they want to eat, they'll beg for help to even the ones that caused the problem.

It's the problem reaction solution mantra that has been repeated many many times. You have to look further than what you're being told. Simply being Venezuelan doesn't validate your viewpoint. Especially because the suffering is used for manipulation.


Typical response when someone has no counter arguments. And I'm sorry what you'll have to go through after you accept the intervention. But, ask the countries that were invaded by the US before, whether they are now better off or not.

If you want true freedom, solve it yourself in your own country. Otherwise you will be a slave of the US forever. If 79% of Venezuelans REALLY want to get rid of Maduro, they can. There are a bunch of paramilitaries there that would be happy to assist as well.
Seriously, you are just showing that you have absolutely no idea about my country's history and its problems. I won't debate you just like I won't debate AngularSaxophone.
 
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This is some pretty impressive mental gymnastics Ascend. :messenger_unamused:

Of course this is all a U.S. conspiracy. Holy shit
Did you follow what happened in Venezuela in 2002, and how the US was related to it?
Did you follow Iraq? Where were the weapons of mass destruction of Iraq?
Did you follow what happened with Snowden?
The US is a saint right? Yeah... They are the benevolent force on this planet..

Do you understand spanish? Watch this. In case you don't understand spanish, all these people are AGAINST Guaido, AGAINST Trump, AGAINST international intervention and PRO Maduro... Did they show this to you? No. They didn't. They only show you the other side, to make you believe that practically every Venezuelan wants US intervention. Let someone translate for you if needed.


Seriously, you are just showing that you have absolutely no idea about my country's history and its problems. I won't debate you just like I won't debate AngularSaxophone.
Then don't debate me. I'm not here for debating anyway. I'm here to make people aware of a different side to the story. You can't look at Venezuela's history without looking at Geopolitics.
 
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Did you follow what happened in Venezuela in 2002, and how the US was related to it?
Did you follow Iraq? Where were the weapons of mass destruction of Iraq?
Did you follow what happened with Snowden?
The US is a saint right? Yeah... They are the benevolent force on this planet..

Do you understand spanish? Watch this. In case you don't understand spanish, all these people are AGAINST Guaido, AGAINST Trump, AGAINST international intervention and PRO Maduro... Did they show this to you? No. They didn't. They only show you the other side, to make you believe that practically every Venezuelan wants US intervention. Let someone translate for you if needed.



Then don't debate me. I'm not here for debating anyway. I'm here to make people aware of a different side to the story. You can't look at Venezuela's history without looking at Geopolitics.

Pro-Maduro rethoric is fake news.
 
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So... She's on the opposite side of the main camera, far away from the crowd... That proves... What?
VTV (state tv) is known for modifying pictures and videos and using camera tricks in order to make it seem that there's a lot of people, when there aren't.

Compare that with the opposition's gathering (This was today):

And a photo:
 
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VTV (state tv) is known for modifying pictures and videos and using camera tricks in order to make it seem that there's a lot of people, when there aren't.

Compare that with the opposition's gathering (This was today):

And a photo:
I thought Maduro was a dictator and that no one was allowed to protest....
 
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What doesn't add up? I don't know what kind of narrative you are trying to deconstruct. No one paid any serious attention to that case. And anyways, it's RT :messenger_grinning_squinting:

Now this is business:
If that is true, that 90% of the army doesn't support Maduro, why is US intervention necessary?
 
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If that is true, that 90% of the army doesn't support Maduro, why is US intervention necessary?
Are you talking about military intervention? If so, no one has said that it is necessary. On the other hand, it's not hard to understand that those in the military (here) are afraid of openly defecting because they know they could be tortured or killed. The higher ups are loyal to the regime because they are directly financed by it and their lives depend on it. 90% might be an exaggeration but it's not that far fetched.

One still has to remember that Chavez made sure to keep the military well fed. They are a privileged class. But now that the money is running out that will change. Did you know that just recently the government made the official "price" of the dollar higher than the black market's price? Why? Because MANY people here sell dollars consigned by relatives living abroad in order to live. They do that in the black market. Up till now it was illegal to buy/sell foreign currency. Now it's magically legal. Quite simply the government wants that money and will print bolivars like mad.

Make no mistake. The destruction of this country was planned and perpetrated by the regime. "Chavez lifted people out of poverty" :messenger_grinning_squinting::messenger_grinning_squinting::messenger_grinning_squinting: Again, you know nothing about my country's history nor its problems.