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Related: This Group of Straight Men Is Swearing Off Women Because They Hate Feminism

Hey guys, just in case you weren't distracted enough, don't forget to stop what you're doing and read this other article!

At least there's only two of those in this article. (Edit: No, I guess there's a lot more interruption than that. Does that Bel Powley video even have anything to do with the topic?) I've seen Related Article interjections after every paragraph on some sites. No shit.

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[kirblar]

Yes, really.

There's plenty to say about the alarming statistics of men attending college, and plenty to evaluate the ramifications of affirmative action (statistically demonstrated to disproportionately benefit middle class white women the most).

But that statement? "No options at all" because a college degree is a requirement? No options? Awful.

It's not a value judgement, it's that women largely won't marry down.

 

[Sniffynose]

I think these guys read about how hard kids are and nope their way out and put their career first. Having a family definitely comes with emotional/time/financial sacrifices, I had to choose between engineering and kids at one point, I'm kicking myself financially sometimes but then again I wouldn't have 2 beautiful kids since my wife didn't want to wait until she was grey to have kids and I can't blame her, since many problems can happen when you conceive later on in life. I might have also lost my best friend had I decided money was greater than her and a family /shrug who knows

 

[The Technomancer]

It's not a value judgement, it's that women largely won't marry down.

I feel like there's a historical piece of the puzzle missing though. The only way this wasn't a problem in the past was if women were consistently marrying "sideways"

 

[GorillaJu]

I'm making a quantitative argument not a qualitative argument. I don't know if these [tech] guys are good guys or whether—I don't know if they can carry on a conversation or not.

[Interviewer] They can't.

I'm just telling you by the numbers I think they're less likely to act like dickheads because they don't have the same kind of leverage.

"Where can I find college educated men to date and marry? Pls not too nerdy though "

 

[entremet]

It's not a value judgement, it's that women largely won't marry down.

To be fair, it is classicism. However, it's best to look at it holistically.

If you're an obese or homely woman, you're also invisible and not eligible to most men.

Again, this comes from the built in asymmetry of most desired traits each sex portrays in an broad fashion.

 

[Cagey]

It's not a value judgement, it's that women largely won't marry down.

Sure. I wasn't criticizing the article's statement, though. My criticism was to the classist sentiment expressed in the article. The writer was merely reporting and observing that.

 

[cubicle47b]

If you're not willing to marry someone making less or less educated than you, that's on you.

 

[HariKari]

I feel like there's a historical piece of the puzzle missing though. The only way this wasn't a problem in the past was if women were consistently marrying "sideways"

The past involved single breadwinner households and, in general, an opportunity to do more with less. Finding someone who was college educated wasn't a requirement in the slightest in terms of home ownership and things of that nature. The world has since changed.

Right from the article:

Obviously, none of this would matter if we were all a little more open-minded about who we are willing to date and marry. But there have been multiple studies on this and it turns out Americans have become less likely, over the past 50 years, to marry and date across educational lines. So educational intermarriage&#8212;I don't know if that's a real term, maybe I just made it up&#8212;is at its lowest rate in 50 years.

 

[kirblar]

I feel like there's a historical piece of the puzzle missing though. The only way this wasn't a problem in the past was if women were consistently marrying "sideways"

The GI Bill artificially increased male higher education rates in the US. With the draft and its effects gone, we're seeing education trends w/ gender ratios retreat back to levels closer to those a century ago.

 

[Noirulus]

What the hell are you even basing this on?

Based on the women that I've encountered that seems to be the case.

 

[Astral Dog]

Then they need to get younger, high scool educated boyfriends, a shame, but what can they do? steal others?

 

[Fat4all]

Based on the women that I've encountered that seems to be the case.

I never knew one person could personally meet over a billion people so quickly.

:^)

 

[entremet]

Based on the women that I've encountered that seems to be the case.

I think your statement right now should've been the one you used originally.

"Based on the women I know..."

or

"I noticed this among the women I know"

Your original statement paints a broad brush and that's why the poster was taking issue with it.

 

[Cizeta-Moroder]

If you're not willing to marry someone making less or less educated than you, that's on you.

Are you willing to marry someone who is worse-looking than you?

Based on the women that I've encountered that seems to be the case.

Uh oh...

 

[Amir0x]

Based on the women that I've encountered that seems to be the case.

So you've met, what, one, two women in your life? Because that's the only possible way someone could come to such an absurd conclusion.

 

[cubicle47b]

Are you willing to marry someone who is worse-looking than you?

Yes.

 

[Enter The 36 Chambers]

Based on the women that I've encountered that seems to be the case.

This does not explain anything. Where you figure "women want a near perfect guy" is beyond me. Have to assume you have little to no experience with women after making such a ridiculous statement.

 

[ipukespiders]

Sorry ladies, I'm already taken.

 

[ZeroX03]

*edit: Hmm, as far as appearances go, I will say that I don't think I'd date a guy shorter than me. Other than that though, I don't really care what he looks like as long as he's not severely deformed.

There's the other big criteria.

 

[blame space]

Sorry ladies, I'm awkward.

 

[Evo Shandor]

From my time on the dating scene over the last four years, I would say that the classism is very strong. Having grown up very poor, I have certainly been dismissed for that (and for not having a car, which is ridiculous). But have I done similar things and been selective for stupid reasons? Absolutely.

I think people, and especially young women, are being told a million contradictory things about what to look for in a potential mate and generally by people who have no clue what is going on now. For example, an electrician or contractor do not need a university degree but are able to make way more over their respective careers than most. Yet they may be discarded (and I have female friends who certainly have done this to decent guys) for not having university degrees. But I have also seen men cast aside amazing women for some pretty young thing that throws a look their way. It works both ways.

Ultimately, people enter the dating scene expecting to set the world on fire and they either do or over time they will settle and realize what kind of potential partners they can attract. What is changing is that people are more comfortable being single for much longer than they used to be. It will take time for the romantic ideals of the baby boomers to vanish and we will all be better off for it.

 

[_Nemo]

Now all those heartless bitches will rue the day they ignored such a nice guy like me to date all those douchebags instead!

 

[CountAntonius]

I'm a successful, charismatic, loving, secure single man.

 

[Renekton]

Men swearing off women what the fuck am I reading?

Isn't it usually the other way around?

 

[HariKari]

Yeah, but given that the average man is taller than the average woman, it shouldn't be that big of a problem.

Still shitty to toss someone out straight away due to something they can't change.

 

[Dio]

How many guys are avoiding getting into this sort of thing because they feel like it's stressful and will only complicate their lives further? That's where I'm at right now, I already have my hands full trying to stabilize my life.

 

[Darth Karja]

Looks like its time for polygamy.

 

[cdyhybrid]

I had a similar thread a few weeks ago.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1102745&highlight=

It's by the same dude.

If you're a single woman, it would make more sense to move to SF or Seattle if you want a professional dude.

It's not that there not a enough men, it's the eligible men.

Statistically, women are less likely to marry down. It's a behavior that sociologist have observed for quite some time.

Kinda crazy that the retarded MGTOW movement is making this worse. I hope it's only a drop in the bucket, though.

:lol

If they're moving to Seattle they'll have to sift through the ocean of Amazon transplants.

http://www.damemagazine.com/2014/05/23/amazon-killing-my-sex-life

 

[Walpurgis]

These numbers are crazy. Something needs to be done to get more men through college and more women into manual labor.

It already looks like that at my school.

 

[CrocMother]

I have a college degree but in my mid-twenties starting a family is the last thing on my mind. I'd be fine starting that stuff in my 40's and marrying someone younger. Guess I'm part of the problem.

 

[Diablos]

There's enough men out there if women are willing to date a guy who, for example, may not be as well-educated but has a good work ethic and isn't a deadbeat.

Rarely will you find someone who is well-educated, AND super nice AND willing to settle down AND be your everything forever. It's 2015. Social norms have changed across the board. Decide what you want, decide what you can do without, and make your peace with it.

 

[Abinash117]

Certain dating preferences are probably making things worse. Dating would probably be better if some women expand their options.

Both man and women seem to have some superficial preferences that can be limiting, and it is not necessarily have to do with a person's attitude, or having a degree or not.

 

[blame space]

So I've heard.

Don't give a fuck. /shrug

Kind of a messed up presumptuory ultimatum.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

Reading this thread I went to craigslist to view some dating profiles and one said "don't judge me because I'm a student" and then asks I have post-secondary education.

Why I never, Ms. Craigslist Stranger.

*emails her*

 

[antonz]

Preferences seems the biggest roadblock to both sexes as far as dating. I cannot blame people for their preferences because we all have them but if it means being alone forever because you must have that perfect person then perhaps it is time to expand your horizons.

 

[Evo Shandor]

I have a college degree but in my mid-twenties starting a family is the last thing on my mind. I'd be fine starting that stuff in my 40's and marrying someone younger. Guess I'm part of the problem.

The only real problem is that we are still applying ideals and societal norms established by Baby Boomers who, in North America, lived during the most prosperous years in history, where you could comfortably buy a house and start a family in your early twenties. As much as we like to tell ourselves otherwise, times have changed and gotten considerably harder for alot more people. These trends in dating and romance will only continue as long as our economy and wealth distribution remains.

 

[triplestation]

my eyes are UP HERE, girlgaf

 

[JeTmAn81]

I have a college degree but in my mid-twenties starting a family is the last thing on my mind. I'd be fine starting that stuff in my 40's and marrying someone younger. Guess I'm part of the problem.

You'd better make sure you marry someone who's willing to do it all. Caring for a newborn in your 40's will be rough.

 

[Renekton]

Erm... question.

Do women even want men as much men want them?

 

[CountAntonius]

Erm... question.

Do women even want men as much men want sex?

Fixed.

 

[Horse Detective]

Kind of a messed up presumptuory ultimatum.

Don't most of us do this...

 

[Evo Shandor]

Erm... question.

Do women even want men as much men want them?

Um. Yes? Is that a serious question?

There will always be a variety of attraction levels within the multiplicity of existing romantic relationships. Just talk to couples and you can often sense the differing levels of physical, intellectual, and romantic attractions. People are people and like people.

 

[Andrew Korenchkin]

You mean there's hope for me?!?!?!

I aim to really get into shape and work on my appearance and ambitions, so hopefully I will strike out in my 30's. Paris, here I come!

 

[CrocMother]

You'd better make sure you marry someone who's willing to do it all. Caring for a newborn in your 40's will be rough.

Much better to be a tired dad than an inexperienced and unprepared one.

 

[kunonabi]

Its good to know this college degree is worth something to someone.....finally

My college degrees can't get me a job but if they can get me a date instead maybe they were worth it.

 

[DUFFMCWALIN]

How many guys are avoiding getting into this sort of thing because they feel like it's stressful and will only complicate their lives further? That's where I'm at right now, I already have my hands full trying to stabilize my life.

I'm at the same place in my mid twenties. I want to get rid of all my debt and stabilize my career more before I even think of dating again.

Not gonna lie being alone is pretty amazing though.

 

[ZeroX03]

Erm... question.

Do women even want men as much men want them?

I'm interested if there's any stats on this. Obviously it'll vary wildly on the individual but I would be interested to see if there's any significant trends.

 

[Dennis]

Erm... question.

Do women even want men as much men want them?

Yes.

 

[IceCold]

Ship them to China then. Or places like San Francisco.