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I wonder if women think most of the marriage material guys were snatched up in the college days.. Know a lot of people who got married in college or a little bit after to their college sweet hearts.. Felt like I missed out on this and I'm in online dating hell...

 

[hipbabboom]

Gay dystopia was actually created by straight men with the ultimate goal of reducing the male pool available to women just so they can switch teams when demand is at its highest. Its all true!

 

[entremet]

Erm... question.

Do women even want men as much men want them?

Yes.

Don't you have any non romantic female friends?

Women obsess about dating and finding the right guy as much as men do. And once you add stuff like biological clocks--this is very real and most men are clueless to this--there's even more insecurity.

For guys that are not experienced with women and think they're some sort mysterious creature that doesn't poop, get some female friends.

It will help you get comfortable with girls when dating them and understand they have the same hangups we do, just expressed differently.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Much better to be a tired dad than an inexperienced and unprepared one.

You sound like you're gonna pay a nanny to do it all for you just to make it smooth and effortless. People adjust and work through it.

 

[Woffls]

Odds in my favour and still a failure. Cool.

 

[kunonabi]

I wonder if women think most of the marriage material guys were snatched up in the college days.. Know a lot of people who got married in college or a little bit after to their college sweet hearts.. Felt like I missed out on this and I'm in online dating hell...

I always expected to date in college but everybody I asked out seemed to be either paired up or uninterested. Grad school was even worse since everyone in my circles were married already. It was the complete opposite of what I was expecting.

 

[Renekton]

Of course not.

As I suspected.

Thanks!

 

[CrocMother]

You sound like you're gonna pay a nanny to do it all for you just to make it smooth and effortless. People adjust and work through it.

No idea how you got that. You have less energy when you are older but are a better dad because you have more life experience.

 

[Diablos]

My college degrees can't get me a job but if they can get me a date instead maybe they were worth it.

Isn't that a little ridiculous though?

 

[akira28]

What a delightfully classist and elitist sentiment deserving nothing but ridicule and mockery.

they can't help it. they want what they want. how can you call them classist? the economic realities of our world, etc, etc. blah blah blah

 

[akira28]

Yes.

Don't you have any non romantic female friends?

Women obsess about dating and finding the right guy as much as men do. And once you add stuff like biological clocks--this is very real and most men are clueless to this--there's even more insecurity.

For guys that are not experienced with women and think they're some sort mysterious creature that doesn't poop, get some female friends.

It will help you get comfortable with girls when dating them and understand they have the same hangups we do, just expressed differently.

men want women, women want relationships.

 

[entremet]

men want women, women want relationships.

Are you saying men want sex and women want relationship?

That's the common version of your sentiment.

Woman want sex too. It's just easier for them to get sex if they're reasonably in shape and not terrible looking. Getting relationships is much harder.

 

[kunonabi]

Isn't that a little ridiculous though?

It is what it is.

 

[CrocMother]

men want women, women want relationships.

I can't stand generalizations like that. Every person is unique, wants something different.

 

[Stoze]

I'm interested if there's any stats on this. Obviously it'll vary wildly on the individual but I would be interested to see if there's any significant trends.

I doubt there is. You'd have to make up a pretty abritrary scale to see who wants who more.

You could measure the amount of single men in an age range currently seeking and dating women and vice versa, but that be more of a study on avaliablity and it wouldn't equate to "wanting". I'm not dating but I would consider myself someone who wants the other sex.

 

[Vicetrailia]

No idea how you got that. You have less energy when you are older but are a better dad because you have more life experience.

You can do what you want, but I don't get what result you are expecting?

 

[akira28]

Are you saying men want sex and women want relationship?

That's the common version of your sentiment.

Woman want sex too. It's just easier for them to get sex if they're reasonable in shape and not terrible looking. Getting relationships is much harder.

well if you want to bash all the nuance out with a mallet, sure.

I can't stand generalizations like that. Every person is unique, wants something different.

should I mail you a bag of 'some'?
it's a generalization and a simplification that is largely true, and speaks to a lot of the differences between what men and women want, if you don't try to take it too literally.

before you conjure up the pick up artist with the white leopard print hat, please fucking don't.

 

[Maximo]

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't women getting more college degrees then men now? or there seems to be a greater rise towards women.
Believe we had a thread about the changes in schools/colleges that are becoming better for the way females learn and thus effecting how guys typically learn, cutting down on lunch and sports activities having a more sit down and learn approach.
I can definitely understand why some women might find it harder to find a college degree guy when the shift is becoming greater and not wanting to "marry down"

As society shifts and women are become more involved in the workplace it's funny enough also becoming a shift for men, becoming less the "bread winners" having less urgency to provide and some are getting jobs later/degrees later or pursuing hobbies more or as a article once put it more are becoming "Man Children"

 

[entremet]

well if you want to bash all the nuance out with a mallet, sure.

Not necessarily, if we wanna be real here.

Nothing wrong with wanting sex. The issue, are both parties getting what they want?

Doesn't seem like the case in the modern dating scene.

 

[akira28]

Not necessarily, if we wanna be real here.

Nothing wrong with wanting sex. The issue, are both parties getting what they want?

Doesn't seem like the case in the modern dating scene.

well you'll notice I didn't mention the word sex once.

 

[Dice]

Swearing off women? Insanity.

Swearing off marriage and babies? Makes total sense in today's society & world conditions.

 

[entremet]

Swearing off women? Insanity.

Swearing off marriage and babies? Makes total sense in today's society & world conditions.A

Not quite. Look at Japan. At least not for everyone.

I'm fine with people having that choice, though.

well you'll notice I didn't mention the word sex once.

I got you ;p

I was just taking off your filter. Again, I get these are generalizations, but what your'e trying to say is clear. I'm not branding you anything, so don't worry.

The problem with these gender discussions is that people tend tip toe regarding largely observed trends.

If I misunderstood you, my fault.

 

[Dice]

Not quite. Look at Japan.

Just because we haven't corrected our economic models to work with it doesn't mean population decline isn't a wise move for humanity right now.

 

[Cagey]

they can't help it. they want what they want. how can you call them classist? the economic realities of our world, etc, etc. blah blah blah

What are you getting at? Is it to point out a hypocrisy in not criticizing men for being superficial to DQ women? Is it to point out that trying to defend this sort of "no degree = no sale" dating criteria rings of the same silly defenses for superficial men? Is it a reference to people with "racial preferences" with exclusions of groups and the defenses of that as, like, totally not-racist?

 

[Diablos]

It is what it is.

Yes but the point of a college education isn't to help you get laid. If that's all you and others like you would think your degree is worth, that's a red flag that would indicate we as a society need to get our priorities straight or people are going to die alone and miserable.

 

[PeskyToaster]

I'm cool and I have income

 

[Kieli]

Dunno why, but this reminds of that weird statistical phenomenon where entrance rate for women to college was lower than men. But if you separated the entrance statistics to each department, it turned out women were accepted at higher percentage than men in every department.

 

[entremet]

Just because we haven't corrected our economic models to work with it doesn't mean population decline isn't a wise move for humanity right now.

You're right, however, we have no observed model where population declines have correlated with standard of living increases.

All standard of living increases have gone part in parcel with population growth.

We will have population growth slowdown in the next hundred years or so according to ethnographers, so it will be largely uncharted territory.

Infrastructure doesn't maintain itself. It needs people.

 

[Renekton]

I can't stand generalizations like that. Every person is unique, wants something different.

That's true we got different fetishes

 

[Dr. Benton Quest]

...I have to admit, about 7 out of every 10 hot guys I see turn out to be gay.

It's a little disappointing because I can't even properly admire them as a sex object anymore.

You have the honor of being the first person I've ever blocked. Your posts are consistently negative and borderline offensive. It often seems that you're intentionally trying to goad people into arguments.

 

[Dice]

You're right, however, we have no observed model where population declines have correlated with standard of living increases.

We don't need increases, we need equanimity and sustainable moderation.

All standard of living increases have gone part in parcel with population growth.

Well, at least for those on top.

Infrastructure doesn't maintain itself. It needs people.

You don't need as much when the population burden is lower.

I do realize humanity has never actually attempted working for the good of humanity before rather for their selfish distortions of fair rules in cutting deals and imposition of will, but it's about time to get the shared-planet doctrine established. Our present systems are incompatible with a finite space.

 

[Your Entertainer]

Interesting article. When I stop and think about, one of my very highest requirements in a female partner is that they're educated. Well - that they're doing what they want to do at least, pursuing some goal. I don't think that's unreasonable to ask considering that I'm also highly edumacated.

Honestly don't think I could ever date someone who wasn't college educated and worked a blue collar job or whatever. Maybe I should rethink that?

Beyond that, my only other strict wants are no hard drugs or tobacco (alcohol is kewl tho) and to take decent care of themselves. Again, since I follow those too I don't feel like that's unseasonable to ask.

 

[CornBurrito]

Yes, really.

There's plenty to say about the alarming statistics of men attending college, and plenty to evaluate the ramifications of affirmative action (statistically demonstrated to disproportionately benefit middle class white women the most).

But that statement? "No options at all" because a college degree is a requirement? No options? Awful.

I don't see why a college degree being a requirement is so laughable. Anyone can obtain a college degree. Not everyone can be beautiful. And yet many men wouldn't consider dating a legit ugly woman. Not "oh she doesn't do much with her hair and wears shit clothes and could lose a few pounds" ugly. But like ugly ugly.

 

[Kieli]

Interesting article. When I stop and think about, one of my very highest requirements in a female partner is that they're educated. Well - that they're doing what they want to do at least, pursuing some goal. I don't think that's unreasonable to ask considering that I'm also highly edumacated.

Honestly don't think I could ever date someone who wasn't college educated and worked a blue collar job or whatever. Maybe I should rethink that?

Beyond that, my only other strict wants are no hard drugs or tobacco (alcohol is kewl tho) and to take decent care of themselves. Again, since I follow those too I don't feel like that's unseasonable to ask.

I personally don't care if I date someone who works blue collar or not. I've done my stint of absolutely shit labor jobs to pay for school and I have mad respect for all those who have to do it for a living.

Also, I happen to know a person who never finished high school, yet I would say is intelligent and eloquent and all that other goodstuffs.

 

[Dio]

Anyone can obtain a college degree.

If you live in America, it's likely that going to college will give you anywhere from 30,000-80,000 dollars of debt.

 

[CornBurrito]

I'm gay. My life is a cocoon of loneliness outside the hookups. ;_;

I feel your pain lonely women.

Have you tried putting that energy into dating and not putting that energy into hooking up?

 

[CornBurrito]

If you live in America, it's likely that going to college will give you anywhere from 30,000-80,000 dollars of debt.

And?

I didn't say it was wise for everyone to obtain a college degree. But that's certainly a lot fairer than using something like attractiveness as a requirement. But male preferences are justified. Women wanting a man with a college degree is just them being bitches or something.

 

[entremet]

We don't need increases, we need equanimity and sustainable moderation.

Well, at least for those on top.

You don't need as much when the population burden is lower.

I do realize humanity has never actually attempted working for the good of humanity before rather for their selfish distortions of fair rules in cutting deals and imposition of will, but it's about time to get the shared-planet doctrine established. Our present systems are incompatible with a finite space.

I generally agree with you. I'm just saying it will be uncharted territory.

Standard of living has gone immensely and not just the top. China was mostly poor farmers last century.

You have African villages that have access to cell services.

In American, food, although many of it low quality, is plentiful. Too much actually lol.

But, we're definitely no utopia, but most people would rather live today than any other century.

This talk has details:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxe73iJPbo

It's by Matt Ridley, who wrote a book talking about this detail.

Humanity is getting better and better everyday.

 

[CornBurrito]

You have the honor of being the first person I've ever blocked. Your posts are consistently negative and borderline offensive. It often seems that you're intentionally trying to goad people into arguments.

She's the same poster who complains about discrimination against women, but then turns around and goes "lol height discrimination against men? Why should I or anyone give a fuck? That's just the way the world works. U salty???!!!"

 

[Count Dookkake]

Eh, the leftovers might not be as great as they think. You can be educated, wealthy and attractive and still more-or-less worthless if you have a shit personality.

 

[Obliterator]

Honestly the most disturbing part about this article is talking about men without college degrees like they are "nothing" and not worth a woman with a college degree.

I know plenty of people without a degree that make a fuck ton of cash.

 

[woodchuck]

Fuck. I accepted a job in Seattle. The odds will be worse for me there.

 

[uncelestial]

I'm a college dropout but I make a ton of money at my tech job at which I'm senior level. I've never had a problem meeting girls on online dating sites where people are being picky. Honestly I think this is more about socioeconomic status and the economy hitting men particularly hard than education or the wily ways of female attraction or whatever posters are making it out to be.

If you're looking to raise a family, which many women are, you'd be foolish not to be worried about money, particularly if you have a traditional view of gender roles and expect the man to be the breadwinner. Families are ungodly expensive to raise these days.

Try to imagine starting a college fund based on what college costs might be 18 years from now based on a projection from this chart:

 

[entremet]

Fuck. I accepted a job in Seattle. The odds will be worse for me there.

Time to step up your game, breh.

 

[CornBurrito]

Honestly the most disturbing part about this article is talking about men without college degrees like they are "nothing" and not worth a woman with a college degree.

I know plenty of people without a degree that make a fuck ton of cash.

It isn't just about money. It can be about status.

 

[akira28]

I was just taking off your filter. Again, I get these are generalizations, but what your'e trying to say is clear. I'm not branding you anything, so don't worry.

The problem with these gender discussions is that people tend tip toe regarding largely observed trends.

If I misunderstood you, my fault.

hrm, maybe I misunderstand you. maybe change women to company, to take the implication off of sexual relating, and back towards just basic general relating and personal exchange.

one group has more skin in the game of relationships, or more to risk in sheer terms of just participating. So it's understandable on some level. You usually won't see a woman going into a hive of scum and villainy looking for a soulmate, and its for a good reason.

 

[Obliterator]

It isn't just about money. It can be about status.

A college degree should only be about money lol

If it didn't get you money it only got you debt....

 

[Dr. Benton Quest]

She's the same poster who complains about discrimination against women, but then turns around and goes "lol height discrimination against men? Why should I or anyone give a fuck? That's just the way the world works. U salty???!!!"

I'm surprised she's gone so long without a ban. That comment about gay men she made is really offensive.

 

[CrocMother]

A college degree should only be about money lol

If it didn't get you money it only got you debt....

People get scholarships to study humanities and other non-career oriented majors.

 

[Cels]

I don't understand the whole college thing. If a guy who doesn't have a college degree is making a good living and can provide for a family, why do college-educated women have a problem dating him? Is there an assumption that they're less intelligent?

For me a college degree is simply a shortcut for me to see whether the person is an independent adult. In fact, if they are making things work in spite of having only a high school degree they have my respect.