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[Africanus]

I wonder how this ratio applies in Massachusetts.

I hope this isn't a veiled "women want a guy with financial security" message.

Because I'm getting that vibe with the whole "college-educated" thing.

On the flip-side, I think men have become delusional thanks to the internet and HBO original series.

I mean, isn't that true? I would think anybody would prefer a person who is financially secure in a relationship to one who isn't.

 

[Damerman]

If you're a western white guy in central and south america (or almost any third world country) you're basically a walking god among women.

god among poor women who want out of third world misery, and even then i would not grant you that 100% of the time.

Women of the smaller upper middle class and elite of third world countries ridicule white men, especially white men who think they are the shit when they aren't.

Obviously, my evidence is anecdotal... but trust me when i tell you that 3rd world country women don't think of white men as gods.

if you are the shit though, they will be all over your dick.

 

[liliththepale]

Draw the line at what? What am i drawing the line at? If you want to fuck a donkey thats on you my friend. I do think theres inherently something wrong with judging people based on the belief that a college degree makes them more of a person then some one without one, yes. Im pretty sure i was clear on that awhile ago.

Having a college degree doesn't make you more of a person any different than winning an Olympic medal makes you more of an athlete. It doesn't make you more of a person, but it is a good indicator that you probably were more of a person to begin with. It's not the only indicator, and it's not a direct or exclusive indicator, but it is an indicator nonetheless.

I also think it's funny that you accuse something of being wrong at all. Compared to what? Compared to the insignificance that is humanity? If a small human judgement is significantly wrong in order for you to mention it as being so, then the relative significance of someone not being successful should also be counted.

Entering a relationship with someone is pure discrimination. I'm sorry if that offends you.

 

[3AM]

No, you aren't an idiot in my book. I am admittedly too much of a coward to gamble like you are. Traveling and gaining a lot of cool experiences is going to be fulfilling for you I'm sure.

Thank you. I sure hope it is. Either way, itll be an experience good or bad. Its something. Yeah kind of a big gamble because i wont have a job when i get back lol. But, ill find something. I do something. I might not even come back to where i left. Who knows.

 

[Azulsky]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v623/madtv_viper/MADtv_Viper03/LE01.jpg

I think social media has artificially inflated everyones expectations since they want a trophy to show off to their friends. It doesn't help that these ego centric people are constantly being shown pictures of their happy couple friends on their FB newsfeed and instagram, which builds up more frustration. As a result we have a higher % of people who would rather be single than settle for less than what they want.

I think people who let social media become their only window into reality see it that way. A place where people can showcase the good moments and never the bad. You get a realllllly twisted view of the world.

Its a form of idolization and I've seen it not work out too well, mostly with women,based off of my relatives(most of my cousins are female) experiences.

The whole issue with the idea of settling is that you can so critical of the traits you think are important and just willfully ignore the absence or presence of other more important things.

I guess as long as people arent confusing indicators of success and actual success.

 

[EVOL 100%]

It's kind of pointless to complain how shallow people are when every goddamn human being is shallow and materialistic to a certain degree.

If you can't fight it use it to your advantage, or accept the facts and be in peace with it. No amount of complaining will change it

 

[John Kowalski]

what is this thread about anymore

 

[ItIsOkBro]

I just saw this in an ad, too bad it seems to be Canada only

http://elitesingles.ca

 

[3AM]

Having a college degree doesn't make you more of a person any different than winning an Olympic medal makes you more of an athlete. It doesn't make you more of a person, but it is a good indicator that you probably were more of a person to begin with. It's not the only indicator, and it's not a direct or exclusive indicator, but it is an indicator nonetheless.

I also think it's funny that you accuse something of being wrong at all. Compared to what? Compared to the insignificance that is humanity? If a small human judgement is significantly wrong in order for you to mention it as being so, then the relative significance of someone not being successful should also be counted.

Entering a relationship with someone is pure discrimination. I'm sorry if that offends you.

So to you some one who went to college is probably a better person, or more of a person than some one who didnt go to college? Do you have any idea how freaking insane that is? All college means is you went to school for four years. While some one else maybe was working a hard job for 4 years. Some how to you them sitting in a chair listening to lectures and taking tests and learning something makes them MORE of a person than the guy working to survive and learn the realities of life and experiencing a different view, a different world . Basically what youre saying is that some how one persons experiences are more important than some one elses. I guess i can see that maybe you would like some one with the SAME experiences as you. Maybe you would connect with them easier. That makes sense. But just to say some one is BETTER or MORE than some one else because they have different experiences is... well dumb.

No, it doesnt offend me. Like i said, you can judge anyone for anything, i cant stop you, but i will give my view on it.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

People dont matter. You can assign whatever value you want to your life or others, but it really doesnt matter. Again if all humans died, what would it matter? Species go extinct all the time, things go on. Now im not saying you shouldnt try to enjoy life, not at all. The complete opposite. Im saying you shouldnt lower peoples lives or elevate yours based on bullshit like a degree or how much money you have. I mean you can. Clearly you already do. Im sure it makes you feel good. Go ahead.

Are you this guy

 

[entremet]

Too much nihilism lol

 

[Advocatus Diaboli]

Are you this guy

Species go extinct all the time. Nothing has meaning. Humans are insufferable illusions that conflate love and curly fries. We die. Things go on. Arby's remains.

 

[wildfire]

50% generalized dating advice, 25% Bodybuilding.com, and like 2% r/TheRedPill. The remainder of comments are infused with the latent aroma of Starbucks and student loans.

It's the quintessential weekend thread.

*Wonders what the red pill is*

*googles it*

*reads 2 threads*

....

That's enough Reddit for today.

Man, apparently now you need to be successful and Tall.

Success has merit.

So does height but considering that merit is based a lot more on instincts it's worth it to consider more strongly that your standards can be less restricted. I wonder if society will get less complicated when designer babies are mass market affordable.

 

[3AM]

Are you this guy

your link isnt working. But no I am not he. I think im just being realistic.

 

[Condom]

I mean you could work odd jobs and such and live that way. But what happens when you get sick, or injured, or old? Without a stable career it will be difficult to save. What do you do when you are too old to do odd little manual labor jobs?

Again, it is proof that we live in a system that pushes people into the career rat race.

 

[liliththepale]

So to you some one who went to college is probably a better person, or more of a person than some one who didnt go to college? Do you have any idea how freaking insane that is? All college means is you went to school for four years. While some one else maybe was working a hard job for 4 years. Some how to you them sitting in a chair listening to lectures and taking tests and learning something makes them MORE of a person than the guy working to survive and learn the realities of life and experiencing a different view, a different world . Basically what youre saying is that some how one persons experiences are more important than some one elses. I guess i can see that maybe you would like some one with the SAME experiences as you. Maybe you would connect with them easier. That makes sense. But just to say some one is BETTER or MORE than some one else because they have different experiences is... well dumb.

No, it doesnt offend me. Like i said, you can judge anyone for anything, i cant stop you, but i will give my view on it.

Yes, I think that some experiences are more important than others. Part of that is from the merit of the experience itself and the opportunities that it will bring down the line, and part of it is from the merit of the person who was able to achieve such experiences.

 

[Africanus]

what is this thread about anymore

Me learning what the different body fat percentages look like.

 

[uncelestial]

For me its very hard to care about career. Ive worked my ass off 4 years at a company that eventually laid me off. Not because i didnt kick ass but because they could save the company a couple hundred thousands by getting rid of me and my fellow employees.

The company makes hundreds of millions every year. All going to the top percent. Now, some of these people at the top actually worked there way up from the bottom. My bosses bosses boss, one of the top guys at the company was one of these guys. He retired. Now were being laid off. So, whats the fucking point? Your work doesnt matter, the job you do doesnt matter, the money you make is pointless. It lets you buy shit you dont need. Yahoo. It attracts superficial shallow women who cant see beyond societies norms. Cant see that working or going to school should be about living. The journey which you can have whether you go to college or not. Not Progressing in some shallow unending pathetic need to constantly one up others. To constantly buy the newest toy to say look at me, i have something you dont. I am better. I am smarter than you, better than you, i went to school. You cant buy what i have. Ha.Ha.Ha. Thats what capitalism is based on. The idiotic need to feel special. To feel better than others.To feel important. Like you matter. YOU DONT. When you die, the world WILL BE THE SAME AS IF YOU NEVER WERE HERE. if you died tomorrow, some people would cry, they would feel bad, but they dont matter either. Sorry. If you can look into the sky at night and feel like you are important...i dunno what to tell you. So these girls want to only date people with college degrees. They want security. They want to feel like they DID something with their lives. They want to marry a man who at the end of his pointless existence can be proud! Proud that he made money and bought things that are mostly now in a land fill.He went to college dont you know? He contributed so much to a society that we shoved ourselves into. His children will go to college as well. He made sure of it. Oh how impressive. basically i dont think college is that important. lol.

I've read less cliched angst in Nine Inch Nails lyrics.

 

[Damerman]

My point was that you shouldnt be excluding dating people simply because they dont have a degree that progresses you up a bullshit ladder of fake. That life shouldnt be about what you have but what you have experienced. Who you are, not what you have. I understand that most people are driven by fear though. They want security, and money buys that.

omg, this is hilarious.

 

[TwEE-N-Toast]

It doesn't make you more of a person, but it is a good indicator that you probably were more of a person to begin with.

This just worded weird or do you actually believe this?

 

[CrunchyFrog]

Species go extinct all the time. Nothing has meaning. Humans are insufferable illusions that conflate love and curly fries. We die. Things go on. Arby's remains.

Ash blankets a silent, ruined world.
The slaves trudge through nuclear winter beneath a black scorched sky to the last Arbys
Arbys is closed.

I could repost Nihilist Arby's all day, I fuckin love this account XD

 

[excelsiorlef]

Species go extinct all the time. Nothing has meaning. Humans are insufferable illusions that conflate love and curly fries. We die. Things go on. Arby's remains.

Educated, a degree on quality paper stock and a nihilistic philosopher.

If life actually mattered, you sir would be the cat's meow

 

[liliththepale]

This just worded weird or do you actually believe this?

I believe that a college education in general leads to a more financially successful life, and I believe that it takes more work to make it through college than to drop out or never attend in the first place. So, by those metrics, people who have gone to college are typically more of a person. Yes.

 

[Makai]

This thread ends when we rank the most eligible GAFers.

 

[Advocatus Diaboli]

Educated, a degree on quality paper stock and a nihilistic philosopher.

If life actually mattered, you sir would be the cat's meow

I'd take you out for a Jamocha shake.

 

[Makai]

I believe that a college education in general leads to a more financially successful life, and I believe that it takes more work to make it through college than to drop out or never attend in the first place. So, by those metrics, people who have gone to college are typically more of a person. Yes.

1/4 of American billionaires were drop outs.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

This thread ends when we rank the most eligible GAFers.

I nominate blamespace. I mean, it was a really nice TV. Man's got taste.

 

[Makai]

Considering what I'm seeing on those dating sites, some women are simply too damn picky. They exclude men based on race, education, height, and other nonsense.

A friend of mine (who is fairly attractive) will only date white guys who have a master's degree or better. They also must own a house, be in shape, be 6' or more, and not be in debt.

This friend of mine is 36 and wants children. She spends most of her weekends in shady bars, or at home watching netflix alone.

Best of luck to her.

She can try her luck at The League

 

[wildfire]

I wonder how this ratio applies in Massachusetts.


I mean, isn't that true? I would think anybody would prefer a person who is financially secure in a relationship to one who isn't.

Prefer to the point of not dating someone because of it? I suspect there would be gender differences on the tolerance for this.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I'd take you out for a Jamocha shake.

Ahh the taste of chocolate, coffee and a bitter meaningless existence.

 

[liliththepale]

1/4 of American billionaires were drop outs.

Exactly! So going to college gives you a 200% advantage over not.

Plus, that percentage is much higher for millionaires.

[...] Of the current Fortune 500 CEOs, some 99% have a college degree. Similarly, of the Forbes 400 richest people in America, 81% hold postsecondary degrees.

source: http://ideas.time.com/2011/10/21/the-myth-of-the-millionaire-college-dropout/

 

[Advocatus Diaboli]

I believe that a college education in general leads to a more financially successful life, and I believe that it takes more work to make it through college than to drop out or never attend in the first place. So, by those metrics, people who have gone to college are typically more of a person. Yes.

I agree with your first two points, but (and this is thread-relevant!) -- what about the question of access to education? I think it's also dangerous to use the "more of a person" language. In my last career, by definition, everyone who worked for me didn't have a college degree, and they were all, for the most part, experienced, successful people.

 

[Dennis]

Exactly! So going to college gives you a 200% advantage over not.

Plus, that percentage is much higher for millionaires.



source: http://ideas.time.com/2011/10/21/the-myth-of-the-millionaire-college-dropout/

Bingo.

You can find examples of anything but statistically people with college degrees earn more than those without.

 

[Makai]

Exactly! So going to college gives you a 200% advantage over not.

Plus, that percentage is much higher for millionaires.



source: http://ideas.time.com/2011/10/21/the-myth-of-the-millionaire-college-dropout/

Probably because the graduation rates at prestigious schools is about the same.

 

[3AM]

I believe that a college education in general leads to a more financially successful life, and I believe that it takes more work to make it through college than to drop out or never attend in the first place. So, by those metrics, people who have gone to college are typically more of a person. Yes.

Omg. Youre killing me smalls. You literally think going to college makes some one a better person than some one who didnt. Thats unreal.

 

[Swarna]

If you can't get the kind of partner you want maybe you should consider that you aren't actually worth what you think you are.

 

[Oxn]

Omg. Youre killing me smalls. You literally think going to college makes some one a better person than some one who didnt. Thats unreal.

Did you have these views before you were fired?

 

[Makai]

If you can't get the kind of partner you want maybe you should consider that you aren't actually worth what you think you are.

I've seen a number of guys that are like, "why won't anyone date me? ...no, not you!" lol

 

[liliththepale]

I agree with your first two points, but (and this is thread-relevant!) -- what about the question of access to education? I think it's also dangerous to use the "more of a person" language. In my last career, by definition, everyone who worked for me didn't have a college degree, and they were all, for the most part, experienced, successful people.

Ever since the advent of formal schooling, access has been limited to those who could most afford it (with their time, money or both). I'm not denying that problem exists. It's a tough nut to crack. Even with newfangled Internet schooling, even with free sources like educational YouTube videos, that's still in some way limited. You have to have decent Internet, speak the language, and you have to have the free time to indulge in the content. So I don't know if there can ever be truly equal access, but we can work on normalizing it as much as possible.

That said, we don't live in a perfect world. In a perfect world, everyone would be equally hot, equally smart, equally capable, and have equal access. I'm not trying to say that such a world would be bad, I'm just aware that it's not the world we have. In the current climate, having had access to education and acting upon that opportunity will generally enrich your life more.

 

[3AM]

Did you have these views before you were fired?

Yes, but it just reinforced them. Ill still work my ass off because its in my blood and because life is about balance between work and play. All it really reinforced was my belief that corporations are shit. And that working for one is shit. Even small corporations.

 

[CornBurrito]

I believe that a college education in general leads to a more financially successful life, and I believe that it takes more work to make it through college than to drop out or never attend in the first place. So, by those metrics, people who have gone to college are typically more of a person. Yes.

Personally I think people who needlessly put other lives at risk are less of a person. Like that CEO who raised the price of life saving medicine 5000%, or someone who texts and drives.

 

[Damerman]

She can try her luck at The League

Sheesh, that whole article had me dry heaving.

 

[CornBurrito]

This just worded weird or do you actually believe this?

She has adamantly defended drunk driving/texting while driving (both are equally risky). Is it really a shock to you that she thinks some human life is worth more than others and that not all men are created equally?

 

[liliththepale]

Personally I think people who needlessly put other lives at risk are less of a person. Like that CEO who raised the price of life saving medicine 5000%, or someone who texts and drives.

So what? So don't date him. And anyone who feels similarly to you can also not date him. That's their prerogative.

She has adamantly defended drunk driving/texting while driving (both are equally risky). Is it really a shock to you that she thinks some human life is worth more than others and that not all men are created equally?

I have NEVER defended drunk driving. Not even once. To the contrary, I have adamantly been against it on multiple occasions. And I have previously asked you to stop spreading lies about me, yet here you are. I don't need this. Edit: to be clear, I'm not going to continue arguing with someone whose only method of attacking me is ad hominem. You're derailing the thread and insulting, and I won't have it. You can very well consider yourself ignored.

 

[Catatafish]

Solution: marry 4 at the same time, boom.

 

[CornBurrito]

So what? So don't date him. And anyone who feels similarly to you can also not date him. That's their prerogative.



I have NEVER defended drunk driving. Not even once. To the contrary, I have adamantly been against it on multiple occasions. And I have previously asked you to stop spreading lies about me, yet here you are. I don't need this.

Oh sorry I forgot you only merely defended texting and driving. Because you do it. But why ignore that it has been proven to be as dangerous as drunk driving?

Because you don't drink and drive? You can't defend one without defending both, logically speaking. They are equally dangerous.

Also why are you so mad I wouldn't date a sociopath like that CEO? You sound extremely defensive about him.

 

[Damerman]

Did you have these views before you were fired?

 

[sora87]

All the single men have become hikikomoris, leave us to it!

 

[CountAntonius]

 

[Sianos]

There needs to be a distinction made between "a college degree" in the sense of the literal piece of paper presented to you upon graduation and "a college degree" in the sense of the knowledge and skills acquired during the experience of college.

It is very difficult to objectively measure knowledge and skill in a manner that is both reliable and valid. A standardized test may reliably produce the same answers, but quite often what the test is effectively measuring is merely ability to perform well on the test (example: the students who successfully cram for every exam but retain very little knowledge or simply memorize facts without synthesizing a greater understanding and developing logical connections). A more open-ended process of measuring knowledge and ability may be more valid in measuring whether a person possesses knowledge and skills and can make effective usage of them in novel situations, but then there are far more confounding variables introduced and it is difficult for the results to be significant: you cannot draw reliable comparisons between people because it may be the confounding variables that led to the disparity or results, not intrinsic differences between the people.

The physical college degree is supposed to serve as a signal that this person has a rigorously tested level of both competence in what was learned and an ability to successfully learn more in the future. Of course, this operates on the assumption that the process of college will instill knowledge and skills in those that go through the process and that all who have a physical college degree have gone through the intended college degree process. A person who crammed for every exam and then flushed all useful information may have the physical college degree and can correctly claim that they have a "college degree" without lying, but it is a disingenuous claim: there is an implicit understanding between the speaker and the listener in this scenario that a college degree represents having obtained the knowledge and skills intended to be transmitted by the process of college. To possess the symbol without the substance to the symbol is just misdirection and while not lying by definition, it is effectively the same as not having the symbol and lying that you do: what difference does it make if in both cases the person does not have the substance?

There's been a recent push for more holistic schooling and a judgement of students based on individual talents as opposed to performance in relation to an arbitrarily determined average (in a system where everyone claims to be above average: you can't have more than 50% of the population above average, yet scoring below a C, which is considered average (and also 70%, ironically) is unacceptable)). My personal improvement to our system is to identify what a person's individual strengths are instead of having these badges of levels of general competence, then cultivate them and direct them in a manner to maximize their potential, instead of trying to slot existing people into predefined molds. This would increase happiness, self-actualization, and still would increase meaningful, effective productivity more than our current system.