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Iwata: Nintendo is not good at competing, so must offer something different
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Canis lupus
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A tablet is not something new.
Pagusas
Elden Member
I think you are the only person I've ever heard describe playing the wii as magic. How does that even happen? I remember my first time being pure disgust at the lack of 1:1 with the controller after all there boasting, and how horribly ugly Zelda looked on a HD display. Even my family thought something was wrong with the screen because of how ugly the game looked when put next to 360 games they played.
Astral/H3X
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Nintendo can't compete because it can't do the whole selling at a massive loss thing. Not because they don't have the brain power to just shove more video cards into it.
The way they designed the Wii U (USB ports aside) shows that they could design a powerful console, they just can't afford to BUILD one. And sell it for anything that anyone would feel was a fair price.
They don't do multimedia and "Nintendo Network GOLD" sort of shit so they can't subsidize it as heavily, and, as seen with the Gamecube, even with the right amount of power 3rd parties tell them to fuck off.
So no, they really just can't. Simple as that.
BassForever
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The problem is even if they offered the wiiu that was as powerful as the ps4 with their unique controller for $400 and took a loss on it tons of 3rd party developers would still skip them over out of principal that's it's "Nintendo and only Nintendo games sell"
valkillmore
Member
The Gamepad is not a tablet by any stretch.
ComputerMKII
Banned
Please understand.
plank
Member
By new he means something different.
Perfectly reasonable. If it just becomes a matter of cramming the most tech and other services into a box for the lowest price, they'll never be able to compete with a software giant (MS) and a media / hardware giant (Sony). So they'd lose their advantage as the lighter-weight toymaker of the Big Three if they ever stopped trying to come up with quirky, somewhat unconventional takes on what a console should look like.
Doctor Decimate
Member
"Some people even recommended to make Pikachu more muscular."
this is my main takeaway here
this is my main takeaway here
MS did, lol.
Astral/H3X
Member
I thought I'd let you know that as a person who understood that it was technology, and thus would not be out of the gate absolutely amazing, I had a real blast with Red Steel. I thought it was amazing. Perfect? Far from it. But I was swinging my arm goddammit, and that made my on screen character cut people in half.
I've heard tons of people describe their first session(s) with the Wii as magical, or other similar superlatives.............
Fucking lol, perfect image.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
I actually laughed at the statement. I appreciate the honesty but this attitude is damning Nintendo into irrelevancy in the console space.
Why are people so hard on Nintendo, they're the only video game company left, and the only ones that take risks. Sure they dont sll work but I'm glad they at least try. No one actually ever has released a twin screen home console or a controller with a screen before.
This statement really aught to be the nail in Iwata's coffin.
On what planet does Iwata think it's acceptable to nurture a phobia of competition? In what industry would that be a successful strategy? Does he think Nintendo can just made due by opening a blue ocean every few years? Because they can't, and right now we're seeing the results of that strategy. Sooner or later, something doesn't work, and you end up with your back against the wall with your entire console business facing complete irrelevancy.
On what planet does Iwata think it's acceptable to nurture a phobia of competition? In what industry would that be a successful strategy? Does he think Nintendo can just made due by opening a blue ocean every few years? Because they can't, and right now we're seeing the results of that strategy. Sooner or later, something doesn't work, and you end up with your back against the wall with your entire console business facing complete irrelevancy.
killatopak
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I say indies. Are there any?
A gamepad with a screen that allows asymmetric gameplay is. The point as well is to offer something different, even if that idea might have failed this time.
Pagusas
Elden Member
That really baffles my mind just in the way that I had such an opposite reaction to it. I guess thats why it turned into such a large fad thought.
foxuzamaki
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I dont know what the rule is exactly, because we have a thread on this though not necessarily on this but its in this thread
My first time playing Wii could definitely described as magic. I was blown away by how awesome those controls were. As were my family and friends.
They could, they just don't want to. They have plenty of cash. But they are one of the most conservative companies in the world, which is an odd position for an entertainment/tech company to be in.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
This is what I'm getting
R
Retro_
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lol
How is this attitude damning? It perfectly makes sense. They are good at some things, and bad at others, and they play to their strenghts. Its as simple as that. They were never a powerhouse in competing in the console space, but always found blue odeans for themselves and surprised people with new ideas.
Like the hat?
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Wii is my second favorite console ever (after SNES) and I've been playing games for over 25 years.
My first time playing wii (excite truck in a gamestop) was gaming bliss for me. Still my favorite racing game ever.
My first time playing wii (excite truck in a gamestop) was gaming bliss for me. Still my favorite racing game ever.
They are competing though. That's the point of presenting unique selling propositions which is what's being discussed. They're just putting more focus in the former part, even if its a risk.
Not good at competing based on what exactly? That didn't seem to be an issue with both the NES and SNES. The N64 most likely failed because of the outdated support and it was quite weak compared to the PS1 in several aspects.
So that only leaves the gamecube, and it came super late against the PS2 behemoth.
So that only leaves the gamecube, and it came super late against the PS2 behemoth.
Astral/H3X
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They have plenty of cash, explicitly because they didn't sell the Wii at a loss. Or do you not understand that if they had made a machine that costed them $6-800 to sell for $400 that all of their revenue would have disappeared? Did you notice that the Xbox division doesn't fucking make money?
Business is more than just "please the customers, make money".
killatopak
Gold Member
Software sales.
Schnozberry
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Do you know how large Sony and Microsoft are in comparison to Nintendo? If Microsoft and Sony had to survive on the profits from their gaming divisions, Nintendo would have been sifting through their ashes in 2008.
Haha this will never happen. Nintendo might die along with console space, but that is a big MIGHT. They will always find a way to make people happy.
funkystudent
Member
"we always have to challenge the status quo by making something new"
If only Nintendos game developers got that memo.
If only Nintendos game developers got that memo.
iamvin22
Industry Verified
The initial success of the Wii validated the blue ocean strategy and guaranteed that they were going to try it again, which has led to 30k per month sales. They need a whole new leadership team that is not personally ingrained with that mindset.
I'd use him in my party