XII was better than XV though, even if it suffered from some of the same problems
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Japan: Final Fantasy XV down ~56% from FF13, lowest singleplayer debut since FF5
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XII was better than XV though, even if it suffered from some of the same problems
He is absolutely not. I think Final Fantasy fans should realise that outside the fan community, the serie lost a lot of its appeal and isn't doing that great critically anymore.
It's no longer one of the most important video game franchise.
ethomaz
Banned
I strong disagree... story was one of the key points in all FFs I played.
Vincent Grayson
Member
Those games are 4-5 years old now. There seems to have been a shift in the last couple years.
ethomaz
Banned
GTAIV is one of the best games ever created.
It is so much fun (I never finished any GTA game but played zillion of hours just messing around due how fun it is).
ethomaz
Banned
He is not.
FFXV has major flaws... it is even more screaming when you compare with previous entries... FF brand weight is really that low today.
Well except for FFXII I don't think I ever played a FF that fells so unfinished.
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Not really.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Honestly right now the things I hate the most of XV is not the story or other elements mentioned but... the terrible, terrible "fast-travel" and loading times. Post-end is a chore because of this. I dream of a game set in a an open world where fast travelling doesn't require these long boring loading times... fuck them
edit. wrong topic sigh!
edit. wrong topic sigh!
Manmademan
Member
Yep. I've posted before about how FFXIII-2 has lower scores than XIII across the board, despite nearly EVERY reviewer praising the game as being better than XIII in every way fans were asking for.
Fan expectation and anticipated backlash inflated the hell out of the scores for XIII. After fans actually PLAYED that game and the reactions were overwhelmingly negative, scores for the sequels were a lot closer to reality.
He's far from being in the minority.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Nah bruh GAF has spoken Xv is bad the majority told me so
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
I'm sorry I should have tagged /s. I was basically alluding to what another ridiculous step/line of argument would be/already is.
Gameplay wise I disagree, game was great since release. Loot, yeah, that took time to get fixed but playing the game was a blast day 1 just as it is a blast today.
No one in Japan owns a PS4. Tough to sell to a non-existent audience! Agreed that the ffxiii debacle has just the franchise, but it has been losing its way for a long time.
Demoskinos
Member
TIME TO BRING THE QUEEN BACK.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I think he has a point...
Nooooooooo way. I was bitching about the core mechanics of Diablo 3 since the beta before it was released. It was fundamentally flawed. The obsession with designing an entire damage system based around a DPS number alone was boring as hell. Was the combat feedback good? Sure. When you clicked, shit blew up. But that's presentation, not mechanics. The presentation was solid but the mechanics and numbers behind the gameplay was not satisfying especially for the long haul. There was no point at all in trying to be creative with class builds or mixing and matching equipment for interesting effects. All that matters was DPS. Boooooooooring.
So does this mean we aren't getting Final Fantasy 16 now? I read an article a few months ago where the devs talked about future iterations. They said the next FF could revert back to a medieval setting kinda like what happened to FF9.
I would welcome that.
Bring back the turn-based combat, world maps, airship control, and sprite characters.
I would welcome that.
Bring back the turn-based combat, world maps, airship control, and sprite characters.
Dash_Riprock
Member
He's not, bruh.
A collapse in sales, the lowest critical reception in the series and single handedly teetering the franchise from a position of respect to a laughing stock seem to indicate the opposite.
Dash_Riprock
Member
While I would love for this to happen, I don't think SE has the money to do that anymore. Not unless every game is a guaranteed sales hit.
Muscle Wizard
Banned
I think we should also be asking not just does FF matter in Japan but also does Japan matter to FF on consoles now? People keep saying what a travesty XV is despite it doing really well outside of Japan.
Unless they make the next mainline FF game on a phone or portable console, I doubt we'll see huger numbers in Japan if their console decline continues.
Unless they make the next mainline FF game on a phone or portable console, I doubt we'll see huger numbers in Japan if their console decline continues.
WrenchNinja
Member
the story is nonsensical and it takes you twenty hours to get to pulse and have the battle system open up. that is bad. that's not an exaggeration.
People really need to stop saying that FF13 was a terrible game or the worst game of all time. Seems like most modern gamers do not know what a truly reprehensible game is nowadays. Sure, it had issues, imperfections and some peculiar decisions like with pretty much any game, but it is nowhere near a horrendous game. Not sure why rabid fans insist on hating it so much. It's perfectly fine that you didn't like the game, but I really think gamers exaggerate it's flaws.
If that's the case, FF16 should ditch the fujoshi bait and just go whole hog wRPG.
You dont think SE has game divisions already split working on different titles? They'd have to have 2 other 200+ people divisions to actually have that many FF titles being developed simultaneously and then you'd have a warehouse to ship people to during the pre-production phases of game development where they just twiddle their thumbs till they get their new assignment like Ubisoft does.
Muscle Wizard
Banned
I doubt it will ever go full wRPG because FF has had it's JRPG roots firmly apart of it's brand. Like they could have easily gotten a second-rate western developer to make a mock hack and slash combat engine (like they almost did with Fortress), but the fact they tried to find a medium between action combat and something similar to past games shows they don't want to completely reinvent themselves.
Now a day, they're just shift more focus on mobile (profits) and smaller titles (low risk). I know we can't go back to '90 and 2000s anymore, but...
Right but if you're talking about a series that tries to be trendy, changes things up with each iteration, and has most of its appeal in the West, then going full wRPG may not be a bad idea.
Also, going full wRPG doesn't necessarily mean 100% action either. I thought Dragon Age had some similarities to FF12 in terms of combat.
StereoVsn
Member
I think FF VI - X had pretty good stories (I didn't like X but a lot of people did). Now there are differences in opinion on the quality but all of them were at least understandable and presented well in the game.
Past X it all went down hill.
Muscle Wizard
Banned
Yeah, but Dragon Age has been suffering it's own identity issue as it tries to appeal to the classic cRPG genre like the old Baldur's Gate series while also be actiony enough to appeal to newer crowds. I think FFXV has been more successful with it's combat system being a better bridge between classic and action than Dragon Age has.
Laughing stock? That was FFXIV 1.0. Since then, FFXIV ARR was a big hit and the mobile games have been very successful.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
FF2 and FFXV are about equal. Both are absolutely terrible games from start to finish
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Final Fantasy was a series that was guaranteed to rate in the 90s range.
People really need to stop saying that FF13 was a terrible game or the worst game of all time. Seems like most modern gamers do not know what a truly reprehensible game is nowadays. Sure, it had issues, imperfections and some peculiar decisions like with pretty much any game, but it is nowhere near a horrendous game. Not sure why rabid fans insist on hating it so much. It's perfectly fine that you didn't like the game, but I really think gamers exaggerate it's flaws.
Primethius
Banned
Not taking any sides but "minority opinion" talk is a bit early for this game given it just came out.
You are certainly mixing up your terminology, minority doesn't mean what you think it does.
manzoman96
Member
I still think the game is very fun and I've already added on about 20 hours of playtime after finishing the game. But that said, I have no idea how they botched the story so bad. I understand story changes and all that but it was just so unbelievably sparse. Barely any character development or world building at all. If they want to seriously get back on track they're gonna have to put a higher priority on story.
Side note: It's unfortunate that the current gen iterations of 2 of my favorite series, FF and MGS, had poor stories.
Side note: It's unfortunate that the current gen iterations of 2 of my favorite series, FF and MGS, had poor stories.
LordKasual
Banned
oh SHIT 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
Eeeeeeeleven people who think NeoGAF's ridiculous hatred of this game is the "norm" and that FFXV is totally the death rattle of the series by no merits other than its own
I'm spamming the assist button but Ishida was quite inconveniently banned
so I guess i'll just have to take all of your words for it, no reason to assume bias since we're in a statistics thread
CLEARLY not, the series is dead now
Persona 5 is doing quite well though
Relaxed Muscle
Member
That's not what heelpower was saying. Just that XV is a very flawed game and that the series (except for XIV) is very far from it's prime. An idea I fully support.
He wasn't saying that XV is the worst game evar or something like that.
Dash_Riprock
Member
Quit while you're behind, son.
Primethius
Banned
No, not really. But how it'll play out with the actual mainstream market is a question to be determined at a later time.
LordKasual
Banned
Relaxed Muscle
Member
Some people think is the best thing ever.
Some people think is good
Some people think is decent, but very flawed
Some people think is bad
Some people think is the worst thing ever
Basically, the same that happens to most games on GAF. (That aren't Souls games, most GAF love their Souls games, like it should)
LordKasual
Banned
I will admit
I thought it was XV exclusive, because the vitriol was so deep seated
But it really is every game around here. You guys hate everything. Dunno what I expected from a gaming forum, but i guess i can't say im disappointed
XV is probably the worst of the recent games though, barring No Man's Sky.
The amount of hyperbole surrounding everything about this game is so severe that i legitimately get confused when people get angry at the word "hyperbole". I can write an essay on how much I hate XIII but even I won't allow myself to go as far as to say some of the crazy shit around here.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
to be fair, I wouldnt hate FFXV if it was a good game
Primethius
Banned
Nah, every game suffers through it to an extent. FFXV's flaws are just a little more transparent.
I remember in the UC4 OT, people who disliked the game threw around ideas like how they expected it to sell poorly once word of mouth kicks in (lol), forgotten in a year or so (lol) and even a couple of posters literally comparing people who thought the game was good as to having bad/poor opinions.
It's part of the Internet gaming problem that also exists on GAF, but in a different form due to the insulated nature of the community.