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[Smiles and Cries]

DS 32,765
PS2 27,741
PSP 21,476
GBASP 8,522
GC 2,558
GBA 623
Xbox 131

Hey Sony... its time to bring out that PS3!

Yo! Nintendo, Gamecube is dead well at least I can play Zelda on the Revolution right? Bring it!

Hi Microsoft... (trying hard to hold back my laughter) ... (giggles) ... (Muhahahahahah)

 

[Odnetnin]

Hey Sony... its time to bring out that PS3!

Yo! Nintendo, Gamecube is dead well at least I can play Zelda on the Revolution right? Bring it!

Hi Microsoft... (trying hard to hold back my laughter) ... (giggles) ... (Muhahahahahah)

Um

DS + GBA + SP

=

43k+ sold in a week

Can't wait to see how GBA micro shakes it all up

 

[Fuzzy]

The notes from MC's website.

Total sales of the top 100 titles numbered 435,449 units. This is 126.66% of last week's average and 59.55% of the weekly average. Although sales made a comeback from last week, the situation still looks severe since figures continue to be lower than the weekly average. Last year, 517,037 units were sold around this time (week 2, June 2004) and 395,808 units were sold in 2003. According to past circumstances, there is usually a strong tendency for sales to decline during this period.

Eight new titles ranked among the top 100 titles, accounting for 43.53% of sales. There were many titles which were small but delivered a strong performance, such as "Metal Saga: Sajin no Kusari," which sold approximately 63,000 units, and "Kenka Bancho" and "Soccer Life 2." Sales of these new titles seem to be driving the market. Of these titles, "Metal Saga: Sajin no Kusari" and "Kenka Bancho" had high absorption rates, and their stocks were even running low in stores. It can be expected that sales of these titles will continue rising for some time.

 

[Manders]

holy cow. ds is huge. so many great titles coming out. it's surprising psp is keeping up with its lackluster releases thus far

 

[jman2050]

Look at all these people talking about DS costs when they have no idea how much they are. There have been quite a few DS bombs so far. If you don't have name recognition or hype, then it isn't going to sell. Games like Brain Training have been around since gaming itself. 153k isn't a whole hell of a lot.

I think the PSP sales is a symbol that US and Europe are the two gaming territories that hold weight anymore. Where the best game in Japan will probably sell no more than 100,000 the first month, thats probably barely in the Top 10 in the US.

Edit: Some proof of this is Lumines. 40k sold in Japan and lucky to ever hit 50k. Here in the US it went past 100,000 in 5 weeks and has a decent chance of hitting 200k.

There's so much wrong with this post. The bolded part alone pretty much sums up your ignorance of basic economics.

 

[GDGF]

YTD / LTD
DS - 972,202 / 2,467,798
PSP - 936,892 / 1,419,144
DS Lead - 35,310 / 1,048,654

The DS is getting close to its biggest lead over the PSP (1,059,853 for 01/03-01/09).

Before I read this thread, I spent a good hour or so reading some of the old PSP vs. NDS threads in the archives (god bless the search function)

Some funny stuff in there!

This message was brought to you by a soothsayer

 

[Deku]

Links for the achirved threads? PM me if you like.

 

[mj1108]

Links for the achirved threads? PM me if you like.

All you really need to do is search for "PSP" or "Nintendogs" and you'll come across them.

 

[GDGF]

I just used search, actually. Key words NDS, PSP, gameboy sales, sales predictions, NDS conference, etc. If you want to go way, way back, use phrases like heterogenious goods (I think that's the one)
Looks like someone took the archives out, but you can also go to google to find them (I think, I did before, anyway )

Much hilarity inside

 

[GhaleonEB]

DS 32,765
PS2 27,741
PSP 21,476
GBASP 8,522
GC 2,558
GBA 623
Xbox 131

My, how the wind has changed! The dog days of summer, indeed.

 

[DCharlie]

"I guess if you assume that the rest of Sony Corp has a strictly parasitic relationship with SCEI that might be the case but aren't you the guy that typically likes to insinuate that Sony Corp is using some clever accounting to distribute some of SCEI's costs? "

Naaa - that's me!

 

[Culex]

The DS certainly isn't going down like many thought earlier this year, that's for sure!

This is the 8th week in a row now with the DS ahead? With plenty of great titles on the horizon, and only a handful of PSP software down the pipe, I don't see this trend stopping any time soon.

The Third Pillar lives on another day!

 

[heidern]

There have been quite a few DS bombs so far. Games like Brain Training have been around since gaming itself. 153k isn't a whole hell of a lot.

Wow, either you're just totally out of touch with reality or you've really got this trolling business down well. There hasn't been much in the way of DS bombs, certainly not more than competing systems. Look at how Killer 7 has bombed on the mighty ps2 for example. Games like Brain Training haven't been around on gaming systems very long, it is the touch screen that makes it possible and that has only been around 7 months or so. And 153K is a hell of a lot for a game that continues to sell, in fact in a week a two it will have outsold every psp release this year.

If you don't have name recognition or hype, then it isn't going to sell.

No shit! That's why any game on any gaming system in any territory sells.

 

[heidern]

I fished around the archives for a bit and came up with a couple of cool things:

The PSP is over a generation ahead in terms of technology and is going to wipe the floor with the DS.

Whether Nintendo likes it or not, I think most people are still looking for excellent graphics instead of some weird input methods, particularly in the handheld market where 2D graphics have been the mainstay for so long.

And best of all:

The DS might as well be stillborn. Once it saturates the hardcore Nintendo fanbase, it'll trickle off into irrelevance and OH HOW I'LL LAFF.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

OH HOW I LAFF SO HARD at that :lol :lol :lol

 

[Jonnyram]

Interesting things have happened to the tie ratios over the past few months, thanks to some solid sales of DS software.

DS
software sold to date = 3,967,430
hardware sold to date = 2,196,573
tie ratio = 1.81

PSP
software sold to date = 2,509,220
hardware sold to date = 1,390,270
tie ratio = 1.80

I believe this is the first time since launch that DS has gone ahead of PSP in tie ratios.
(data source: f-ism)

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Interesting things have happened to the tie ratios over the past few months, thanks to some solid sales of DS software.

DS
software sold to date = 3,967,430
hardware sold to date = 2,196,573
tie ratio = 1.81

PSP
software sold to date = 2,509,220
hardware sold to date = 1,390,270
tie ratio = 1.80

I believe this is the first time since launch that DS has gone ahead of PSP in tie ratios.
(data source: f-ism)

Looking at the hardware data, that looks a lot different than Media Create; f-ism say where it's from?

 

[Jonnyram]

Looking at the hardware data, that looks a lot different than Media Create; f-ism say where it's from?

f-ism is just another badge of Enterbrain. The totals are up to 29 May. And yeah, I believe Enterbrain's DS total is somewhat lower than Media Create's, right?

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Comparing May 29 numbers to each other, looks like Enterbrain has DS 203,521 lower than Media Create, and PSP 15,827 higher.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

it's so funny how since e3 and drinkys self banning, it's like the DS has become a rampant juggernaught of Sales in Japan coupled with the perception of it on GAF has totally changed with an "Oh shit, I think I need a DS" or "Man, DS is getting (insert x game) !!!" topic every other day.

I love it. Drinkys fanboys have failed in his absence.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

it's so funny how since e3 and drinkys self banning, it's like the DS has become a rampant juggernaught of Sales in Japan coupled with the perception of it on GAF has totally changed with an "Oh shit, I think I need a DS" or "Man, DS is getting (insert x game) !!!" topic every other day.

I love it. Drinkys fanboys have failed in his absence.

Yeah I don't get it, I don't even feel the urge to bump the big ass Drinky Puppy Club thread.

Even MAF has not started pro-PSP threads

 

[Speevy]

You found my DS/PSP image edit. :lol

 

[Gahiggidy]

Comparing May 29 numbers to each other, looks like Enterbrain has DS 203,521 lower than Media-Create, and PSP 15,827 higher.

It doesn't matter. Because you know why?

 

[GhaleonEB]

I love it. Drinkys fanboys have failed in his absence.

Have faith. He was banned on May 20, so just four days until his triumphant return! Drinky will lead us!

 

[Jonnyram]

Comparing May 29 numbers to each other, looks like Enterbrain has DS 203,521 lower than Media Create, and PSP 15,827 higher.

I seem to remember this discrepancy happened around Christmas. A lot of people on 2ch mention it too.

 

[Odnetnin]

I see no need to mention Drinky. DS is mighty. Even JackFrost has to bow down to the power of the dogs (remembers JF going bonkers and smiles )

 

[rod]

zomg ds>>>all =O

 

[michael000]

Japan is not the whole world, but as I look at all my console/handheld games 90% of them are from JPN devs (my PC gets all the western love )

low JPN psp sales = low JPN PSP output.

I think alot of people are concerned because they didn't buy a PSP to play madden/GTA all the time. (At least I didn't)

Damn someone pulled the thoughts from my head almost exactly word for word, very very eerie. :lol

As far as i'm concerned the war's over, now it's just a matter of much dignity the PSP is left with in the wake heh. At this point i'd guess it'll be about 30% of the market this time next year (and that's being very generous). From a business standpoint and taking all things into account, you'd have to be out of your mind to develop for the PSP over the DS.

Actually i stand corrected 3 things could make it really really interesting:
1. Official Web Browser - not holding my breath, sony seems far more interested in stopping porn and homebrew than actually giving us something worth a real update
2. A true FF - not going to happen, best we'll ever see is some wierd spinoff that's not even an RPG
3. A true DQ - also not going to happen

 

[kaching]

Naaa - that's me!

Of course it is. I'm not confusing the two of you, it's just that I could have sworn jarrod tried pulling that card a few times as well.

Sure, I just think the timing of it all is a bit risky. Right now SCEI needs to start turning a profit on PSP and I'm not sure that's possible with game sales like this.

Like getting into handheld gaming wasn't a bit risky in the first place. I'm not clear why its important to turn a profit right now - PS3 is still a year away and PS2 sales should manage most of the profitability that SCE needs in the meantime to avoid whatever fate you fear for them. I'd like to at least see what the rest of its first year holds for PSP before becoming so averse to the risks on it behalf.

I dunno... we're still in the handheld "ghetto" despite his best efforts.

That wasn't his metaphor though. Even so, the accuracy of the metaphor doesn't require that everyone leave the ghetto. The alternative is there, whenever people are ready.

 

[Jonnyram]

Like getting into handheld gaming wasn't a bit risky in the first place. I'm not clear why its important to turn a profit right now - PS3 is still a year away and PS2 sales should manage most of the profitability that SCE needs in the meantime to avoid whatever fate you fear for them.

I think one problem is that when the next-gen comes around, people aren't going to think "Wow, PSP has got shit hot graphics!" any more. It'll just be previous gen graphics. At least while the PS2 is out, there are 1) games that are ported quickly from PS2 projects and 2) games that look as good as a current home console.

 

[ziran]

i think a problem for psp is it's being bought by ps2 owners, based on ps2 sequels selling best. so owners are faced with either buying a ps2 game or a psp game, so something has to give.

whereas the ds is being bought by gba owners, so ds software is bought in the place of gba, and new gamers, who are buying the ds for particular software.

 

[Nickel85]

i wonder how much super mario 64 ds sold ltd compared to super mario sunshine ltd.,
anyone knows?

 

[kaching]

I think one problem is that when the next-gen comes around, people aren't going to think "Wow, PSP has got shit hot graphics!" any more. It'll just be previous gen graphics. At least while the PS2 is out, there are 1) games that are ported quickly from PS2 projects and 2) games that look as good as a current home console.

The luster of "new hardware smell" wears off every game platform after the first year or so. Something they all have to tackle and its all down to pulling together the content to keep people interested and keep building on the userbase. The transition required is not in any way unique to the PSP, though you try to describe it in terms that make it seem as such.

 

[jarrod]

Have faith. He was banned on May 20, so just four days until his triumphant return! Drinky will lead us!

This war's already lost... time for Drinky to turn his talents on the Xdude Tree-Siddy.

 

[sprsk]

3 Days, 10 hours

 

[JJConrad]

i think the psp numbers are impressive considering the lack of software.

Importers.?

I wonder how much of the PSP hardware numbers are being supported by importers. It would go long way in explaining the low weekly tie-ratio:

- PSP hardware sales has seen a noticible decline since the US launch; averaging about 45k per week in March and now down to 21k. PSP software sales have plummitted during that timeframe.

- The Japanese PSP is significantly less expensive than the US model (about $60). Japanese software is more expensive than US software. However, I'm not an importer, so I don't know if shipping and other fees don't balance things out.

- Sony has been cracking down on (threatening) importers in Europe.

It doesn't seem unreasable to think that people would buy their hardware from Japan and their software from the US. With the US launch already past, fewer people would be importing, but those poor, neglected europeans would still need to. I'd also imagine that an american version of a game would be more attractive because of a smaller language barrier.

Maybe can save the PSP in Japan by announcing another delay in Europe.

 

[ziran]

Importers.?

I wonder how much of the PSP hardware numbers are being supported by importers. It would go long way in explaining the low weekly tie-ratio:

- PSP hardware sales has seen a noticible decline since the US launch; averaging about 45k per week in March and now down to 21k. PSP software sales have plummitted during that timeframe.

- The Japanese PSP is significantly less expensive than the US model (about $60). Japanese software is more expensive than US software. However, I'm not an importer, so I don't know if shipping and other fees don't balance things out.

- Sony has been cracking down on (threatening) importers in Europe.

It doesn't seem unreasable to think that people would buy their hardware from Japan and their software from the US. With the US launch already past, fewer people would be importing, but those poor, neglected europeans would still need to. I'd also imagine that an american version of a game would be more attractive because of a smaller language barrier.

Maybe can save the PSP in Japan by announcing another delay in Europe.

maybe.

liksang and play asia have both had recent psp price drops.

the lack of software is worrying for psp, especially if a mem stick is bought - giving the handheld use, it could become easy as the hackers choice. if the psp is it's being bought by ps2 users, owners are faced with either buying a ps2 game or a psp game.

 

[Li Mu Bai]

It's very strange that now Sony is faring much less successfully than the DS in JPN that now the UK is being dubbed as "Sonyland." :lol In reality the 90% of the handheld world was Nintendo's, fanboys simply had a memory lapse. We're arguing what I've said all along. The market is indeed contracting, the cheaper NDS R&D costs + the higher profit margins it allows are going to make the DS more & more attractive to all 3rd party developers, the PSP's multi-functonality may indeed have hurt it in both the short & long terms, with the oncoming next-generation inflated development costs the PSP simply may not be a viable & lucrative platform for 3rd parties, etc.

People are also neglecting & dismissing the PSP's price throughout the UK/EU/PAL territories. Hell the SP's price was considered cost-prohibitive, imagine the PSP's.

 

[Deku]

PSP's multifunctionality is largely of the bait and switch sort.

Want to play MP3s? oh sorry, you need a new memory stick, but yea, it won't store as much music as an ipod either. Not to mention the psp is much larger than an ipod to use as a music player.

Want to play movies? oh sorry, you need to re-buy stripped down versions of the DVDs at premium prices. Want special features? sorry, those discs are too small to hold them.

Want to look at pictures and TV shows? Go get a CS degree and mpeg mastering tools, which pretty much excludes the casual population.

So what do most people really get out of the PSP? The games, and I guess as have been said many times, PS2 ports and a thin line-up isn't really helping there either. Don't get me started on load times. Sleep mode isn't the answer either. That just means you get to keep one game in your PSPat all times, which is assinine.

 

[duckroll]

PSP's multifunctionality is largely of the bait and switch sort.

Want to play MP3s? oh sorry, you need a new memory stick, but yea, it won't store as much music as an ipod either. Not to mention the psp is much larger than an ipod to use as a music player.

Want to play movies? oh sorry, you need to re-buy stripped down versions of the DVDs at premium prices. Want special features? sorry, those discs are too small to hold them.

Want to look at pictures and TV shows? Go get a CS degree and mpeg mastering tools, which pretty much excludes the casual population.

So what do most people really get out of the PSP? The games, and I guess as have been said many times, PS2 ports and a thin line-up isn't really helping there either. Don't get me started on load times. Sleep mode isn't the answer either. That just means you get to keep one game in your PSPat all times, which is assinine.

You're the dumbest poster of the week so far. First your stupidity infects the Adventure Player thread and now you had to show off that tiny brain again. Man, Miyamoto would be ashamed to have you as a fan.

 

[kaching]

It's heartwarming to see that some people just can't help slagging off the PSP, even in the absence of most of the major DS detractors that were claimed to be goading them on in the first place.

 

[SantaC]

Hardware is nice, but software always wins the console wars. Look at PS2 and Gamecube, and look at the current DS vs PSP situation.

Once the PSP will get some good flow of games out, it will be back in business.

 

[Red Blaster]

PSP's multifunctionality is largely of the bait and switch sort.

k

Want to play MP3s? oh sorry, you need a new memory stick, but yea, it won't store as much music as an ipod either. Not to mention the psp is much larger than an ipod to use as a music player.

Hmm, perhaps. But while you're closing the DS clamshell, switching headphones, fumbling in your pocket to grab your ipod and wasting time turning the wheel through your 89032t3 gigs of music to find that specific song, I'm already rocking out to tunes on my PSP. TIME SAVED +5

Want to play movies? oh sorry, you need to re-buy stripped down versions of the DVDs at premium prices. Want special features? sorry, those discs are too small to hold them.

Well my Kill Bill UMD disagrees, but something is better than nothing, right?

Want to look at pictures and TV shows? Go get a CS degree and mpeg mastering tools, which pretty much excludes the casual population.

Well, most casuals are idiots anyway. But I assure you that I do not have a CS degree.

So what do most people really get out of the PSP? The games, and I guess as have been said many times, PS2 ports and a thin line-up isn't really helping there either. Don't get me started on load times. Sleep mode isn't the answer either. That just means you get to keep one game in your PSPat all times, which is assinine.

....but I swap games all the time on the go....am I doing something wrong?

 

[imastalker co.]

wasting time turning the wheel through your 89032t3 gigs of music to find that specific song, I'm already rocking out to tunes on my PSP. TIME SAVED +5

sorry, but i just stepped in to say

NO

no times a million in fact. that has to be the worse argument i've ever seen in the history of everything.

i can scroll through 15k+ songs in under 8 seconds.

from here on out, anything you say has no value.

 

[turok4n64]

cant we just agree that while the DS and the PSP have their own advantages/disadvantages, the DS is winning right now

 

[GaimeGuy]

k



Hmm, perhaps. But while you're closing the DS clamshell, switching headphones, fumbling in your pocket to grab your ipod and wasting time turning the wheel through your 89032t3 gigs of music to find that specific song, I'm already rocking out to tunes on my PSP. TIME SAVED +5



Well my Kill Bill UMD disagrees, but something is better than nothing, right?



Well, most casuals are idiots anyway. But I assure you that I do not have a CS degree.



....but I swap games all the time on the go....am I doing something wrong?

You're an idiot. it's not hard to find a song.

And why are you buying UMD's when you can just rip movies on your own?

cant we just agree that while the DS and the PSP have their own advantages/disadvantages, the DS is winning right now

No. That's boring.

 

[Kolgar]

DS is selling well and getting good games. Excellent.

But we simply can't judge the success or failure of PSP yet.

For one thing, we don't have much to play yet besides launch games. There's lots more to come down the road.

Secondly, and surprisingly, UMD seems to be doing all right. Who knows? Maybe it really will catch on.

Thirdly, Sony could release a proper web browser or other new application and expand the appeal of the machine to a broader audience.

Finally, they've just gotta lower the price of that hardware, at least here in the US. It just isn't in the same category as DS at its current price point; it's not yet a mass-market machine.

Once PSP comes into its own game-wise and the price of the hardware drops, then and only then will we see PSP's true effect in the marketplace.

 

[Ruzbeh]

DS is selling well and getting good games. Excellent.

But we simply can't judge the success or failure of PSP yet.

For one thing, we don't have much to play yet besides launch games. There's lots more to come down the road.

Secondly, and surprisingly, UMD seems to be doing all right. Who knows? Maybe it really will catch on.

Thirdly, Sony could release a proper web browser or other new application and expand the appeal of the machine to a broader audience.

Finally, they've just gotta lower the price of that hardware, at least here in the US. It just isn't in the same category as DS at its current price point; it's not yet a mass-market machine.

Once PSP comes into its own game-wise and the price of the hardware drops, then and only then will we see PSP's true effect in the marketplace.

Someone is being overly optimistic.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

Wow, either you're just totally out of touch with reality or you've really got this trolling business down well. There hasn't been much in the way of DS bombs, certainly not more than competing systems

There hasn't been much DS bombs because there's not much DS software. There have been many games in Japan that have sold like shit for DS like Electroplankton.

Look at how Killer 7 has bombed on the mighty ps2 for example

So a niche game barely sells. Is this news?

Drinkys fanboys have failed in his absence.

I know. The golden days of DS trolling are over...until GT Mobile comes out. Or maybe Winning Eleven comes out.

1. Official Web Browser - not holding my breath, sony seems far more interested in stopping porn and homebrew than actually giving us something worth a real update
2. A true FF - not going to happen, best we'll ever see is some wierd spinoff that's not even an RPG
3. A true DQ - also not going to happen

1) Its possible but not probable.
2) There may be some porting going on. I don't see why FF IV, V, and VI can't appear on PSP since part 3 might be on DS. Assuming its not canned of course.
3) Again, ports.

The real question is where is SCE? They need to step up their game since Nintendo is on theirs. They're doing quite a bit but not enough to appeal to markets outside Japan.

Secondly, and surprisingly, UMD seems to be doing all right. Who knows? Maybe it really will catch on.

According to my nearby Best Buy, Terminator 2 UMD has sold really well for them. UMD won't be a huge standard like DVD but it will do well enough for studios to keep releasing movies on them. It will depend though on the success of the PSP. I don't know too many who will buy UMDs to use on the upcoming Vaio computers.

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I don't care how well PSP does. I already got my money's worth out of the machine and the multimedia functions and emulation will keep it used for quite some time, even if Sony stops making them tomorrow.

 

[Fuzzy]

Hmm, perhaps. But while you're closing the DS clamshell, switching headphones, fumbling in your pocket to grab your ipod and wasting time turning the wheel through your 89032t3 gigs of music to find that specific song, I'm already rocking out to tunes on my PSP. TIME SAVED +5

What about the people listening to their iPods while playing their DS?