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Jason Reitman To Direct “Ghostbusters 3”

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So she expected a sequel to a movie that lost 70m dollars?

I’ve been reading responses to that thread for about 20 mins. Most people are calling her out and some are getting blocked. If she can’t see why her movie isn’t getting a sequel then she doesn’t deserve to be in the industry.
 

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I’ve been reading responses to that thread for about 20 mins. Most people are calling her out and some are getting blocked. If she can’t see why her movie isn’t getting a sequel then she doesn’t deserve to be in the industry.

Amazing that simple economics is lost on some.

And an unwillingness to admit it's a shit movie that nobody wanted.
 

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How it lost $70 million When it made $229 million with a $144 million budget?

From what I recall, it had a marketing budget almost equivalent to the budget, and there was rumours of Feig constantly going over budget. $300 million was apparently what it needed to break even.
 

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From what I recall, it had a marketing budget almost equivalent to the budget, and there was rumours of Feig constantly going over budget. $300 million was apparently what it needed to break even.
Don't forget the undisclosed seven-figure dance scene with Chris Hemsworth.
 

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How it lost $70 million When it made $229 million with a $144 million budget?
On top of what others have pointed out, movie theaters do not give 100% of ticket sales to the movie studio. There are deals made in advance, but there comes a time, weeks in, where the studio is only getting like 25%. It can bring in $229M, but that is not all going to them.
 

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I wonder why they are doing this now? Just after a reboot that didn't do well. I'm glad that they are doing it but it would have been a lot smarter to do this instead of the reboot. Maybe Bill Murray agreed to do the movie now.
 
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I wonder why they are doing this now? Just after a reboot that didn't do well. I'm glad that they are doing it but it would have been a lot smarter to do this instaed of the reboot. Maybe Bill Murray agreed to do this.

I think that’s why they are doing it. Reboot backlash showed at least a lot of people still care.

Give the peope what they want. Sure, a lot of fans say “let it die,” but a lot will be liked up for the real deal, if it’s done “the right way.”
 
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This is not about Ghostbusters 3 but a fan did a great restoration work on The Real Ghostbusters pilot. Here is a video about it:


He found the original film copy and restored it in HD.
 
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As much as I like these films, it's not the 80's any longer. Movies are shot way differently now. You know? Movies that are old tend to have a special place in our hearts, as they are charming, memorable and artistically rewarding to watch, even for newcomers. But many sequels made in the 2000s, 2010s or 2020 when it arrives, just don't do the originals any justice. Modern day versions rarely ever do do well among the most loyal of fans.

For me a lot of it is simple aesthetics. You can’t compete with a movie made in the 80s o real sets and shot on real, expensive as heck, film, to for hire tv directors shooting digital on a green screen. Most moderns reboots and rehashes look too ‘realistic’ and tv like, you can tell they are done on a budget. They are all missing the feeling of fantasy and wonder. That’s not something included in the sale of an IP
 
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Intersting tidbit about the teaser. Same lettering as GB84 from the Columbia archives. Here's hoping for a great mix of practical and digital effects.

 
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The reboot was certainly a critical and financial failure. Had they just been maybe a little more subtle it might have succeeded.

Like perhaps not calling it 'Ghostbusters' ?????!!! :messenger_winking:

This is not about Ghostbusters 3 but a fan did a great restoration work on The Real Ghostbusters pilot. Here is a video about it:


He found the original film copy and restored it in HD.

Wow great video. Especially love that guys tshirt......can't wait to see what logo they come up with for the new movie!

Intersting tidbit about the teaser. Same lettering as GB84 from the Columbia archives. Here's hoping for a great mix of practical and digital effects.


Really hope its more comedy horror like the first than simply comedy of the sequel. Push that PG-13 to the limit!
 

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Didn't the Ghostbusters remake ignore the original Ghostbusters except for the text at the very beginning of the movie? And the dumb wink-and-nod cameos that were mostly awful?

I'm not sure why Leslie Jones is so mad. She made a Ghostbusters movie. Does she think the new Ghostbusters movie will mean her Ghostbusters movie was never made?
 

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Didn't the Ghostbusters remake ignore the original Ghostbusters except for the text at the very beginning of the movie? And the dumb wink-and-nod cameos that were mostly awful?

I'm not sure why Leslie Jones is so mad. She made a Ghostbusters movie. Does she think the new Ghostbusters movie will mean her Ghostbusters movie was never made?

There was an interview with Dan and he said flat out the girls weren’t getting another movie.
 

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There was an interview with Dan and he said flat out the girls weren’t getting another movie.

I wouldn't give them a second movie, either.

I'm referring to Leslie Jones' tweet which reads thusly:

"So insulting. Like fuck us. We dint count. It’s like something trump would do. (Trump voice)”Gonna redo ghostbusteeeeers, better with men, will be huge. Those women ain’t ghostbusteeeeers” ugh so annoying. Such a dick move. And I don’t give fuck I’m saying something!!"
 

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I wonder if they will call this Ghostbusters 3 or something else? I have a feeling that they might not call it that because it has been a long time since GB2 and they just made that reboot. I hope I'm wrong and it's GB3.

 
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I wouldn't give them a second movie, either.

I'm referring to Leslie Jones' tweet which reads thusly:

"So insulting. Like fuck us. We dint count. It’s like something trump would do. (Trump voice)”Gonna redo ghostbusteeeeers, better with men, will be huge. Those women ain’t ghostbusteeeeers” ugh so annoying. Such a dick move. And I don’t give fuck I’m saying something!!"

It’s a shame she brought politics into it. The movie failed. The reboot didn’t work. Movie companies don’t invest in sinking ships unless there is a big, clear, profitable redeeming quality. We’ve seen plenty of franchises change course again and again until profits were seen or they got buried.
 
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It’s a shame she brought politics into it. The movie failed. The reboot didn’t work. Movie companies don’t invest in sinking ships unless there is a big, clear, profitable redeeming quality. We’ve seen plenty of franchises change course again and again until profits were seen or they got buried.

The politics were an excuse for the failure, a way to deflect blame. The film isn't bad, it didn't fail, it was just those awful straight white males. #cancelmen and it'll go better next time. See also TLJ.
 

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I wouldn't give them a second movie, either.

I'm referring to Leslie Jones' tweet which reads thusly:

"So insulting. Like fuck us. We dint count. It’s like something trump would do. (Trump voice)”Gonna redo ghostbusteeeeers, better with men, will be huge. Those women ain’t ghostbusteeeeers” ugh so annoying. Such a dick move. And I don’t give fuck I’m saying something!!"

It's an incredibly self-involved, disgusting reaction to have. In her bubble, the 2016 film was fighting the good fight against sexism and there's no way there is anything wrong with the film. Jason Reitman probably has more love for the franchise that most people, and that the fact that he'll have his father and Dan Ackroyd onboard as producers and consultants only strengthens the possibility of this being a worthy sequel. To label him akin to Trump and play the sexism card is a level of disrespect that just shows that Leslie Jones is beyond the capacity for rational thought. The teaser alone shows that Jason's understanding of what made the originals special is leaps and bounds ahead of Feig's and his cast.
 
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The politics were an excuse for the failure, a way to deflect blame. The film isn't bad, it didn't fail, it was just those awful straight white males. #cancelmen and it'll go better next time. See also TLJ.

The movie even had some interesting way the men of the movie were handled. I saw it once and I remember most of the men of them movie portrayed in a bad light.

Wigs Boss: Asshole
Delivery Guy: Couldn’t get the wantons right.
Chris Hemsworth: Idiot.

I’m sure there were more. My brain chooses to not recall much from that movie.
 

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I'm referring to Leslie Jones' tweet which reads thusly:

"So insulting. Like fuck us. We dint count. It’s like something trump would do. (Trump voice)”Gonna redo ghostbusteeeeers, better with men, will be huge. Those women ain’t ghostbusteeeeers” ugh so annoying. Such a dick move. And I don’t give fuck I’m saying something!!"
Maybe she can use the spare time to learn how to spell, punctuate and form sentences properly?
 

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The politics were an excuse for the failure, a way to deflect blame. The film isn't bad, it didn't fail, it was just those awful straight white males. #cancelmen and it'll go better next time. See also TLJ.

I do think the movie struggled because it couldn't recreate the mania of the original and that Jones is reading a bit too much into it, but it wasn't a terrible movie -- it just couldn't hit those soaring heights of the original and was a bit niche (you have to like Paul Feig's approach to humour). Also, TLJ isn't a good comparison, because it was a commercial success.
 

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TDS has taken hold of Jones. Kinda scary that something with no relation to Trump is related to Trump.

And it’s reported to have 4 kids. Two male and two female. She is just throwing an tantrum.
 
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The movie even had some interesting way the men of the movie were handled. I saw it once and I remember most of the men of them movie portrayed in a bad light.

Wigs Boss: Asshole
Delivery Guy: Couldn’t get the wantons right.
Chris Hemsworth: Idiot.

I’m sure there were more. My brain chooses to not recall much from that movie.

The mayor was a bumbling doofus. His secretary was running things basically.
The two FBI agents were completely inept.
The main villain was an angry white male nerd that came off like some Incel.

TBH none of the female characters were portrayed very well either so I don't think it was specifically anti men. Every character in this film is some silly caricature.
 

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I do think the movie struggled because it couldn't recreate the mania of the original and that Jones is reading a bit too much into it, but it wasn't a terrible movie -- it just couldn't hit those soaring heights of the original and was a bit niche (you have to like Paul Feig's approach to humour). Also, TLJ isn't a good comparison, because it was a commercial success.

There was no horror elements and most of the movie was about forming the Ghostbusters as opposed to an actual story about busting ghosts.

It was also incredibly unrealistic with how the blonde lady came up with the gadgets, she wasn’t even said to be smart nor acted like it throughout the movie unless you count the nerdy glasses.

Overall though the movie just wasn’t fun.
 

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The reboot straight up wasn't funny or engaging. I maintain it wouldn't have bombed as hard if a) it was made as a spin off set post GB2 and not a reboot b) the lady Ghostbusters weren't weird reflections of the original team and rather original characters with new motivation/quirks/etc c) they stop with the action bullshit. I rewatched the originals recently, and they were character-driven movies. The cast really carried what would otherwise have been a forgettable set of movies. You need that again if you're going to make a successful sequel.
 

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As much as I like these films, it's not the 80's any longer. Movies are shot way differently now. You know? Movies that are old tend to have a special place in our hearts, as they are charming, memorable and artistically rewarding to watch, even for newcomers. But many sequels made in the 2000s, 2010s or 2020 when it arrives, just don't do the originals any justice. Modern day versions rarely ever do do well among the most loyal of fans.

I agree with this. In general, these kinds of reboots, remakes and sequels are set up to fail in so many ways.

We went to see the live action Jungle Book remake a few years back and although the movie was perfectly watchable I was left thinking "why even bother".
Good voice acting, technically well made, impressive 3D but the original movie is still vastly superior so what was the point, in the end?

It's not like games where you can rework the graphics of an old game that's only available on an old system and give people the opportunity to replay a visually more appealing game.

With many of these movies I just find myself asking "what's the point". Besides making loads of money for the studios and maybe giving people something relatively harmless to do on their weekend what are these movies actually doing... as movies? Looking at Jurassic World, Robocop, Terminator, that Independence Day sequel, Predator... all of these are poor attempts.

Yet, all of them have the potential to be something better. In my opinion Blade Runner 2049 understood that it could never just "copy" the original and hold up well but it could tell a modernized story set in the same world. No reason something like Independence Day or Jurassic World couldn't do similar.

The 2016 Ghostbusters took the whole thing one idiotic step further. They were actually somewhat confrontational with the people who were going to be the core audience. At least the new The Predator movie is like "hey remember Predator, well here is a new one called The Predator, enjoy". GB 2016 was like "hey remember Ghostbusters, well screw you you damn basement dwelling troll the new Ghostbusters isn't for you".

I know a lot of that is not on the studio or the cast and crew but I feel like they DID start it. So when the whole BS with Angry Video Game Nerd was kicking off I don't blame the studio directly but this was the kind of thing that made me never want to see their movie. They leaned into the idea that people who criticized the movie were sexists and/or trolls and as a result destroyed any goodwill the film might have right out of the gate.

Thing is, an all-female Ghostbusters could easily work. It's just that GB 2016 seemed to make the exact wrong decision every step of the way.

The only way to make GB 2020 work, in my opinion, is to consider what kind of stuff the people who loved the originals would be really into now. Then make something that's a bit more modern while keeping the heart of the originals.
 

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I wonder if they will call this Ghostbusters 3 or something else? I have a feeling that they might not call it that because it has been a long time since GB2 and they just made that reboot. I hope I'm wrong and it's GB3.

Perhaps this will be the logo so not to upset woke fans of the reboot.



Or perhaps an Egon ghost in the logo? :messenger_face_screaming:
 
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And the reviews for GB2016 are obviously skewed. The amount of people willing to give it a negative review considering the drama surrounding the movie was slim. There is no way that movie should have had a Fresh score on RT unless there was an agenda behind it. Look at something like Venom. Yeah it wasn't the greatest movie in the world, it had terrible reviews but it ended up making a lot of money considering how it was trashed by the critics. Venom for the most part tried to keep it close to the source, there was many glaring omissions but the general portrayal of Venom was pretty close. Most fun movies are run over by the critics, plenty of Marvel movies are fun yes don't rate all that high. There was NOTHING fun about GB2016. I didn't laugh once, not even a smirk and I am generally very easy to please.

Now only if Eddie Brock was a Female it would have gotten great reviews...
 

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Thing is, an all-female Ghostbusters could easily work. It's just that GB 2016 seemed to make the exact wrong decision every step of the way.

Honestly I don't see how this does work in any other way besides the uber-woke version we got. The original happened before this out of control PC nonsense pervaded ever aspect of the culture, and it wasn't considered oppressive writing to have a group of male college buddies start a business together (plus token black guy.) I don't think it would have exploded like it did with an all female cast back then. Could it even have happened back then? Doubtful.

But how do you just swap out this entire legendary cast for all women and not have it be some woke ass bullshit? The very idea is entirely woke. I mean the franchise already had 2 strong female characters, but rather than write with them in mind, they had to scorch earth this thing and have all females, with a male secretary too because it's 2018 white men!
 
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There's no reason an all-female lead couldn't work, just as all male. It just needed great chemistry and brilliant writing. Ghostbusters was great for those reasons, not the contents of their pants, and the reboot wasn't great because it wasn't as well written and the cast lacked chemistry. Simples.
 

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I have no plans to watch Ghostbusters 3 and I think it's sad that it's even being made now.
if they wanted to do a Ghostbusters 3, then they should've done it to begin with instead of attempting a reboot with a director who knew jack shit about what made original Ghostbusters a hit to begin with. There where so many ways the reboot Ghostbusters could've been handled to make it a proper Ghostbusters 3 and reboot but it was handled as well as a waiter with severe Parkinson's disease. But that version failed to gather the money they wanted, now that Ramis is dead, they feel NOW is the proper time to do a Ghostbusters 3? Give me a break.

New Ghostbusters sucked because Sony has shit quality control and directors with no passion for their IPs and Ghostbusters 3 is going to suck because it's just damage control.
 

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Honestly I don't see how this does work in any other way besides the uber-woke version we got. The original happened before this out of control PC nonsense pervaded ever aspect of the culture, and it wasn't considered oppressive writing to have a group of male college buddies start a business together (plus token black guy.) I don't think it would have exploded like it did with an all female cast back then. Could it even have happened back then? Doubtful.

But how do you just swap out this entire legendary cast for all women and not have it be some woke ass bullshit? The very idea is entirely woke. I mean the franchise already had 2 strong female characters, but rather than write with them in mind, they had to scorch earth this thing and have all females, with a male secretary too because it's 2018 white men!

I think it would have been easy for them to make it a sequel and bring back some of the old cast in the same roles. Have the lead protagonist be the daughter of one of the old Ghostbusters and have her try to revive the business. You can easily have the young GBs bite off more than they can chew and have the old dudes come in to help them out but obviously ultimately the young ones do prove themselves in the end.

It's easy to write a female led movie without doing the whole "girl power" thing. Just it always seems like Hollywood simply can't do that.

I think maybe where you can't avoid "going woke" is that if you were to make a female led GB sequel but they ultimately needed the old GBs to step in and help save the day then there would be a ton of "think piece" articles saying something along the lines of "New Ghostbusters betrays it's female lead by needing men to save the day".

Though it does seem then that you will be criticized whatever you do, I feel like studios will always do what they can to appease the SJW crowd. That kind of makes sense on the surface but in reality it means you have to be careful what you put in your movie these days as even an inoffensive film can come under fire for having too many men in the cast etc.

Shit, weren't people even gently criticizing Breath of the Wild because they though Link should be female this time or the player should at least have a choice? Yup: https://www.themarysue.com/no-female-hero-zelda-breath-of-the-wild/

I kind of hate this idea that you need to "criticize the media you love" because the criticism needs to actually be good.
Unfortunately what we get is "looking at media under a social justice lens" and a lot of the time it's just crap. Too much reaching and stretching things to fit an agenda.

Then we end up going too far the other way and the moment people get a whiff of "SJW" from anything they recoil automatically.

I honestly think that if the Lady Ghostbusters had been released in say the early 90s there would have been almost zero objection. It probably even would have been very "woke" and nobody would care.

It's just the environment now where "critics" will jump all over anything that they see as not inclusive enough or not giving out the right message. So it's kind of annoying to see movies trying to appease these people.

So, OK, I think it's possible to make an all female Ghostbusters that is not "woke" BUT the fact of the matter is that it would come under so much fire and the writers/directors would already know that and so it would have to be "woke" to appease the inevitable mob.

I think the recent Star Wars movies have done this too. Made decisions to try to avoid criticism from certain groups rather than to make the best movie.
 
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S Saruhashi - a very sensible post. I will just add that in the 90s feminism had a different tone I think, more about empowerment of women and girls, where now it's more about dragging men down, and that would have led to a very different vibe to what we have now. I do however still believe, even now, that it is possible to create a good female-crew Ghostbusters movie, if you get the right women with the right chemistry and the right writing. It can be done, and actually I'd love to see it be done so that the "but you're criticising it because they're female" crowd would have to eat crow.
 

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Shit, weren't people even gently criticizing Breath of the Wild because they though Link should be female this time or the player should at least have a choice? Yup: https://www.themarysue.com/no-female-hero-zelda-breath-of-the-wild/

On that note, I would just simply like the option (and we're talking Mass Effect style, so for anyone who wants to stick to male Link can totally do so). I'm not demanding they include it, it would just make me happy if they did. Just like I'm not demanding they make the durability system less harsh in the next one but it would make me really happy if they did. I'm pro-diversity but I don't demand creators to do what I want. I certainly have things I want to see happen just like a lot of things I would love to see happen and I think simply expressing that desire shouldn't tick off anyone at least from a logical perspective. I mean, if somebody said, "man, I hope Thor is one of the deaths in Avengers Endgame" and I disagreed there's no need for me to get really upset over it. We just have different perspectives of what we'd like to see happen in that movie.
 
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On that note, I would just simply like the option (and we're talking Mass Effect style, so for anyone who wants to stick to male Link can totally do so). I'm not demanding they include it, it would just make me happy if they did. Just like I'm not demanding they make the durability system less harsh in the next one but it would make me really happy if they did. I'm pro-diversity but I don't demand creators to do what I want. I certainly have things I want to see happen just like a lot of things I would love to see happen and I think simply expressing that desire shouldn't tick off anyone at least from a logical perspective. I mean, if somebody said, "man, I hope Thor is one of the deaths in Avengers Endgame" and I disagreed there's no need for me to get really upset over it. We just have different perspectives of what we'd like to see happen in that movie.

And I'm ok with it too, but just imagine if they do it. Guess who will complain about it being not quite inclusive enough. It might be that trans people are left out. It might be that it doesn't represent females in the way that's demanded. It might be distaste for it defaulting to male. It could be anything, but it'd be a shitstorm.
 
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And I'm ok with it too, but just imagine if they do it. Guess who will complain about it being not quite inclusive enough. It might be that trans people are left out. It might be that it doesn't represent females in the way that's demanded. It might be distaste for it defaulting to male. It could be anything, but it'd be a shitstorm.

I mean, there will always be a small group that can choose to be upset about something but the option would help more than it hurts.

I don’t see those scenarios becoming true “shitstorms.” Maybe a couple clickbait articles from fringe bloggers
 

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It has been amazing to see social justice shills trotting out the movie’s mediocre critic rating as if people who get paid to see movies were some kind of objective proof this lame movie was actually passable. Puhleeez