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Jason Schreier's industry sources: PS5 is superior in ways that Sony has not communicated yet

LordOfChaos

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I don't like feeling that I have to preface with this, but I honestly don't give a crap about fanboy wars nor is this some 'dGPU' hopeful bullshit that would completely close every gulf with the SeX, but it does seem interesting that a guy with known well placed industry sources is saying Sony has been sandbagging it so far and the PS5 is superior in some aspects that haven't been communicated yet:


"The stuff I'm hearing from developers is very different from what I'm seeing in Sony's marketing strategy,"

"I'm getting texts and DMs from developers being like, this is such a shame, the PS5 is so superior in all these other ways that they're not actually able to message right now, or can't talk about right now. I heard from at least three different people, since the Cerny thing, that the PS5 is actually the superior piece of hardware in a lot of different ways despite what we're seeing in these spec sheets."


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Still think there's a lot more to all of this that will be revealed over time, but I'm almost relieved that the visions are different again, it makes the tech side more interesting!
 
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The problem is that a lot of self-proclaimed experts aren't anything of the sort.

Benchmarking PC parts is the crudest of crude measures, there's no technique or subtlety to it, its literally swap a unit and tweak some sliders. In short the same level of complexity you get setting up a character in a RPG! That's not big and clever.

On the other hand programming something complex like a game on a console has tons of room for technique and finesse. Look how games improve over the course of a gen as familiarity grows, meaning that if you cam unlock that "power" more directly you can gain a huge performance march on the opposition. The classic example of the obverse of this being of course PS3 versus 360, where the difficulty in accessing the "power" gave 360 cross platforms a massive head-start.
 
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The problem is that a lot of self-proclaimed experts aren't anything of the sort.

Benchmarking PC parts is the crudest of crude measures, there's no technique or subtlety to it, its literally swap a unit and tweak some sliders. In short the same level of complexity you get setting up a character in a RPG! That's not big and clever.

On the other hand programming something complex like a game on a console has tons of room for technique and finesse. Look how games improve over the course of a gen as familiarity grows, meaning that if you cam unlock that "power" more directly you can gain a huge performance march on the opposition. The classic example of the obverse of this being of course PS3 versus 360, where the difficulty in accessing the "power" gave 360 cross platforms a massive head-start.
DynamiteCop! DynamiteCop!
 

LordOfChaos

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Reminds me of this:

Man, this is hilarious. It’s like EXACT switched roles from the start of current gen. Haha can’t believe it.
For the record this is exactly what I don't believe in, whatever this is is probably not going to close every gulf with the SeX. But when three developers are saying Sony is doing a shit job of communicating things they know is better about it, that has my attention.
 

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The thing is this is not true , we aknowledge that the ps5 has a better ssd, and possibly better sound system but overall the xsx is the more powerful hardware, where the difference is not insignificant.

There are some sony fans that are still in denial, and for whatever crazy reason can not bear the reality the xsx is the more powerful machine.

At first what this will result in is the xsx will perform better in crossgen game.

Take cyberpunk 2077 for example, the xsx + ps5 version may have a performance mode and a graphics mode, in the graphics mode I suspect both versions will be 4k 30fps, but settings like ray tracing will be of higher quality on the xsx, xsx may have other settings slightly higher too.
In performance mode on the xsx its 1440p @ 60fps but on ps5 its either lower res or lower settings.
 
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I’ve seen this quoted in a few threads already.

I mean, if it’s all accurate, cool. I’ll be happy to learn the details of these secret features, or hidden performance, or whatever.

I’m a little skeptical, given the source.

We are at a point where telling me isn’t enough, show me.
The source is the most accurate leak person that we have though lol
 

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To be fair, Sony hasn't said much outside of that GDC presentation. Which was clearly not a big reveal event. I don't believe in secret CELL sauce or anything, but I also doubt it's as straight forward as comparing raw numbers.

Really excited to see this system now.
This is exactly where I am, while I don't think it'll be the most powerful console this gen as the raw power of the SeX is hard to argue with, I acknowledge that there may be some more clever uses of silicon that hasn't completely been revealed yet.

Some people seem to take just that much as denial; I'm just interested in the novel technology of both.
 

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What is dgpu. What is cu?
I am in this forever but this year people started throwing weird terms around
so, when this gen started and it was clear that Xbox one was weaker than PS4, people made up shitty rumors like that Xbox one had a second hidden discrete gpu somewhere, that MS didn’t want to talk about yet.
like, some „secret sauce“ ms didn’t want reveal yet. Lol

see here:https://www.neogaf.com/threads/albert-penello-puts-dgpu-xbox-one-rumor-to-rest.673713/

we also had the same arguments, like res doesn’t matter, FPS doesn’t matter, TFLOPS don’t matter. Only games matter or you won’t see a difference.
Now the roles are switched and people make shit up about PS5 lol
 
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I would love for it to be true as I want 2 beastly consoles, but it sounds like a bunch of damage control. Sony is just going to have to prove it.
I could believe this, but third party developers, and Jason? These aren't close first party connections trying to hype up their side
 
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The guy stays vague enough that you really cant deny what he says. Then when something is revealed that kinda shows him to be wrong, he has the ability to deflect.
yeah, notice how they don’t say
Superior in performance, it could mean anything:

„PS5 is a little smaller than the Xbox series x“ —> True, looking at form factor it’s „superior“.

„PS5 costs $5 less than Xbox series x“ —> true, looking at the price it’s superior“

I don’t think anything of this is True. Let’s be serious. If there would be something, they would shoot it as loud as they can. Why not?
The narrative right now out there is that the Xbox series x is far more powerful and superior to ps5.
why would they let people believe that if this is not true? Doesn’t make any sense.
 

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I don't like feeling that I have to preface with this, but I honestly don't give a crap about fanboy wars nor is this some 'dGPU' hopeful bullshit that would completely close every gulf, but it does seem interesting that a guy with known well placed industry sources is saying Sony has been sandbagging it so far and the PS5 is superior in aspects that haven't been communicated yet:


"The stuff I'm hearing from developers is very different from what I'm seeing in Sony's marketing strategy,"

"I'm getting texts and DMs from developers being like, this is such a shame, the PS5 is so superior in all these other ways that they're not actually able to message right now, or can't talk about right now. I heard from at least three different people, since the Cerny thing, that the PS5 is actually the superior piece of hardware in a lot of different ways despite what we're seeing in these spec sheets."


Article with quote:

Full pod:

Still think there's a lot more to all of this that will be revealed over time, but I'm almost relieved that the visions are different again, it makes the tech side more interesting!
Mark Cerny is a mastermind
 

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Pretty much. It's also quite obvious that Sony lifted the NDA from first party devs a bit, so they could all chime in and praise PS5.
Yeah totally. Mark Cerny lifting the curtain on some aspects of PS5's hardware had nothing to do with it; it was clearly the NDA being lifted!
 
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