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[Jeff Grubb] EA Motive first game will be announced at EA Play and it's Dead Space

Give it to respawn
hypno GIF

came here to say the same thing
 

The Alien

Member
why?

cause it has a meaningful and causal relationship impact on the possible quality (don't know how we would measure this) of the game that couldn't be more likely attributed to another factor of the game development?
No. Because it's never about what u just described. It's almost exclusively about pandering for a exta few bucks, media mentions, and twitter backpats.

Its not genuine.
 
What percent of the population is gay? A couple percent? What percent are straight? 98 percent. Yea let’s cater to the smallest demographic.


Shit I THOUGHT Steve Jobs was dead? The marketing jesus lives on! Why are large corporations targeting 2 percent of the population, and “alienating” 98%. Shit do they not know? Thats only like 660,000 gay peeps in the usa. Damn if Ellie(from The Last of US) wasnt gay they could have sold atleast 15 million in the usa. Why do they keep doing this. Why are they so bad with marketing. Clearly these companies care more about virtue signaling and triggering corndogs than making net profit. Whats next a game with only black characters, only gay… no ..no… GAY BLACK CHARACTERS?? Thats like 2% of 2%. Quite silly if you ask me.
 
The game hasn’t even left the rumor stage and posters are already crying about an LGBT/minority lead. What a sad state of affairs. Some people are acting like a boogeyman is coming after them.

On topic, as excited as I am at the idea of a new Dead Space, it seems more likely that a remaster of the trilogy will be announced, not a sequel. Still excited to see what tomorrow brings.
 

SinDelta

Member
Please be 4. A remaster would not be able to fix the fractured almost gem that is 3.

I want to play as Isaac and Ellie
Tons of suits, gear customization
Wide variety of levels.
Tons of enemies and tons of ways to take em down and for them to take you down.
Coordinate with the few sane survivors to raid armories, research labs for weapons, ect.
Explore and survive a Unitologist tomb fleet.
Use the Ishimura to planet crack a brother moon.
Final showdown at the marker facility on Earth.
Endgame suits, gear and armor funneled with the last resources of humanity have been honed by Isaac and Ellie into dedicated neomorph destroyer mechs that can take on a Brother moon.
 
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IDKFA

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Why would this be important or even be relevent?

Honestly, I want the lead to be an engineer that constantly uses the armor and never takes off.If he is a she,or what colour is the skin,is completely irrelevant.

I just want a good Dead Space again.

The reason it's important is because a majority of video game characters have always been white, straight cis males.

Anyway, I wouldn't look into it at the moment as this is only a rumor. Personally, I'd rather see a full trilogy remaster, then a full blown sequel.
 

EDMIX

Member
Even if it's true, it's EA so that alone is a red flag.

Don't forget who killed this franchise in the first place.

I mean...they are also the ones that made the franchise in the first place. Using this logic, EA should have been your "red flag" to never play any of the 3 games so......yea

I don't think EA hates Dead Space, they simply want a game that moves units, thus....after 3 failed, they felt like it made sense to move on.

Them even wanting to do a 4th game clearly means they don't just hate the IP, so this whole "Don't forget who killed" this or that is stupid af. Be happy a 4th game is happening as it sounds strange that folks will bash a publisher for no longer doing an IP, then bash the same publisher for continuing to do the IP as milking and then bash the publisher for rebooting the IP.

Find a middle ground here. They never fucking needed to do a 4th game. So it sounds like its likely going to be like the 1st game or 2nd game if they feel the 3rd game is where things went wrong.

SinDelta SinDelta "Please be 4. A remaster would not be able to fix the fractured almost gem that is 3." Or both.

They can just remaster the first 3 when they announce 4 as it would be a different team doing that thing anyway.

Regardless, its not to "fix" anything, its to get people hype, caught up and um $$$ lol

So I think we'll see both tbh.

"I want to play as Isaac and Ellie
Tons of suits, gear customization"

Same, but I'm ok with anyone as well. I like the IP more then a few characters in the game, so if they return, I'm hype, if they don't.....I'm hype lol

DeaDPooL_jlp DeaDPooL_jlp ? huh? lol
So....do some of you really not know it is EA that funded and owns the IP Dead Space? They are the ones that took a risk on a new IP from a team that literally never made anything like Dead Space before.

" soul that the original had"

Yea you mean the one made under EA? ummmm ok then. =)

Day 1...
 
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reksveks

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No. Because it's never about what u just described. It's almost exclusively about pandering for a exta few bucks, media mentions, and twitter backpats.

Its not genuine.
I didn't say it was done on purely innocent (looking for a better word) motives. I just said it doesn't matter. The game's quality is what matters.
 

Nautilus

Member
The reason it's important is because a majority of video game characters have always been white, straight cis males.

Anyway, I wouldn't look into it at the moment as this is only a rumor. Personally, I'd rather see a full trilogy remaster, then a full blown sequel.
If being a man, and having the color of your skin being white, would make a bad game, then gaming in general would suck ass. That principle can be applied to any industry or product in fact.

Again, the gender and color of the skin doesn't make a game betteror worse.Its the very definition of something being completely irrelevant to the product in question.

If anything, I would really like Isaac to be back.I don't mind a new lead, especially one that wears the armor full time like I said, but I like Isaac.

Don't confuse politics with games.
 

MiguelItUp

Member
I want to believe, with the LARGEST grain of salt known to man.

Whether it be Isaac returning, or a completely new character. I'm beyond okay either way, I just want a new Dead Space, and I want it to be outstanding, or the closest to it. <3
 

KyoZz

Gold Member
I mean...they are also the ones that made the franchise in the first place. Using this logic, EA should have been your "red flag" to never play any of the 3 games so......yea
2008 EA isn't the same as 2021 EA. I used to loves EA for Mass Effect, Burnout, SSX, C&C... but it's not the same company anymore.
I don't think EA hates Dead Space, they simply want a game that moves units, thus....after 3 failed, they felt like it made sense to move on.
It failed because they forced coop in it. DS3 is full of good ideas completely ruined by the constant reminder that you are not alone and the action gameplay with big explosions. The original DS3 was scrapped for what we got and it's a shame.
 

Hugare

Member
Motive has some gigantic shoes to fill

Dead Space 1 and 2 were masterpieces. 3 was meh.

The ideal situation imo would be remastering the first 3 and releasing the new one years from now, with no cross gen shackles

Grubb was right about ME Trilogy, so I trust his EA sources
 
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SSfox

Lies about why mods reply ban and warn me.
I'm a Dead Space fan, but idk what to expect with EA, i loved Mirror's Edge but they fucked the franchise with a shitty lame lazy second game. I am optimist usually but with EA i have 0 expectation, not only the game has to be great, and also has to not have 523648 microtransactions and DLCs, and that's pretty much super mission impossible for EA, so we'll see.
 
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Dead Space was the closest horror franchise to having the sales and mindshare of RE, this is why I didn't believe the rumor. EA doesn't make games their fans want outside sports.
 
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SJRB

Gold Member
I hate EA as much as the next guy but let's not pretend whiney fans didn't way over exaggerate how bad Dead Space 3 was.

That didn't help matters one bit.

Those pesky fans, having opinions and stuff about a game in a series they love. Very whiney indeed. And entitled, to boot. They should've just let EA ruin one of their most beloved franchises with a soulless, creatively bankrupt, poorly paced, microtransaction-ridden, bruteforced co-op shooter.
 

xrnzaaas

Member
It’s ea they are going to include micro transactions,and loot boxes.
Personally I'm curious what EA is going to do with Fallen Order 2. The first game was a huge critical & financial success for them, but I think a large part of it was that it was a strictly singleplayer, mtx-free product. I don't think it would retain this positive aura and friendly attitude from the flayers if they added microtransactions and some form of forced multiplayer in the sequel.

As for Dead Space series, I'll take anything they can offer as long as it doesn't have mtx's and co-op (or at least a sp campaign without focus on co-op).
 
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carlosrox

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Those pesky fans, having opinions and stuff about a game in a series they love. Very whiney indeed. And entitled, to boot. They should've just let EA ruin one of their most beloved franchises with a soulless, creatively bankrupt, poorly paced, microtransaction-ridden, bruteforced co-op shooter.
Nice hyperbole there. Exactly the shit I'm talking about.

Hating on something like a child isn't loving it. I loved the series, all 3 games (plus Extraction and the movies). Someone who liked 2 and hated 1 doesn't love the series like I do, sorry.


And again, sorry, but there is a difference between legit criticisms and whiney toxic bullshit.

Pfft what a load of horseshit. You mean that tiny little button at the bottom of the store menu that you could easily ignore and not even notice that was there? The most harmless invisible MTX known to man.

Or do you mean every time you killed a Necromorph it yelled out BUY MTX?

Yeah cuz 3 is soooooo different from 2 I couldn't tell it was the same series!
 

nbkicker

Member
At one time i think nearly other game i was playing came from ea, they had a load of big hitters on the ps2 , especially from the ea big lot, now cant remember last game i played from ea, ive no confidence in out ea handle now
 
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sloppyjoe_gamer

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A remake/remaster of the 3 Dead Space games on PS5/X Box X/PS4/XOne would be great.....a full on Dead Space 4 for the same systems would be amazing....

More likely is it's nothing but a rumor, or it's a Dead Space game for Mobile
 

EDMIX

Member
2008 EA isn't the same as 2021 EA. I used to loves EA for Mass Effect, Burnout, SSX, C&C... but it's not the same company anymore.

It failed because they forced coop in it. DS3 is full of good ideas completely ruined by the constant reminder that you are not alone and the action gameplay with big explosions. The original DS3 was scrapped for what we got and it's a shame.

You make good points, but even if you believe that, why would EA not being the "same EA" even make a Dead Space if they no longer care about that?

Also do you have a link to any original Dead Space 3 being scrapped info, cause I don't recall anything like that. (its not to say its not true either, simply that a link can go a long way so we can talk about it vs a claim)

So I don't personally know what the original Dead Space 3 was suppose to be, but I can't really say JUST co-op made that game fail, I don't hate Dead Space 3, but a lot of the core action stuff moves away from horror and co-op simply isn't the main issue I really had with it as much as it moving towards an action game.

Regardless.

If EA felt stopping it after that made sense, it also means they likely won't return to that action type thing if THAT is the thing that failed vs the original darker horror stuff. So I think 4 will be a mix of 1 and 2.

Think about it like you are greedy EA. 1 did well, 2 did well, 3 flopped. If they want to make money and run with the nostalgia angle, then it makes sense to focus on 1 and 2. So I agree EA has changed, but I also feel this gen they changed for the better in many areas.

Last gen we started with BF4 being rushed out when it should have been delayed and ends up being one of the worst BF launches in history, I love the game, but that launch was just horrendous.


Next BF's they delay and give proper time, then they give free maps and dlc, now with BF 2042 all maps are free.
Titanfall 2 all maps free
Battlefront 2 all maps free and a story mode
Mass Effect for better or worse was delayed and given more time.
Star Wars Fallen Order exist and thus shows they indeed are ok with single player games.
Dragon Age 4 is now just single player only, which means they are listening to fans, they are adjusting and focusing on what makes sense for each property.

To remove story mode in Battlefield and focus on the MP makes complete sense as the majority of the fan base focus on MP and want the entire teams focus on MP vs a mode MOST don't really care for.

To remove multiplayer in Dragon Age 4 makes sense too, the majority play that IP for its single player RPG elements, not something like MP.


Guess what?

This tells me maybe Dead Space 4 might not have any MP or Co-op and I can only go based on what EA is doing RIGHT NOW! When we list things they done to change, I can't simply assume its only for the worst and nothing more.

I can't run on assumption alone, I need something that they did this gen to show me what they might do or might not do etc.

That being said.....give it to ReSpawn lol
 

KyoZz

Gold Member
You make good points, but even if you believe that, why would EA not being the "same EA" even make a Dead Space if they no longer care about that?
I'm not saying they don't care, I'm saying that I have absolutely ZERO faith they let the dev make the game it needs to be (aka in the same spirit as DS1 & 2). I really hope I'm wrong but as I always says with EA: hope for the best, prepare for the worst.

Also do you have a link to any original Dead Space 3 being scrapped info, cause I don't recall anything like that. (its not to say its not true either, simply that a link can go a long way so we can talk about it vs a claim)
Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of information about the true DS3, but we do have information about how EA fucked things up:

Ben Wanat, Creative Director of the Game, reveals to us that this bitter failure is due to three points:
EA wanted to make profits after the game was released so micro-transactions were needed, which had a terrible impact on the survival part.
Gamers could acquire vital staples by paying, which ruined any fear of running out of ammo or medical kits.
Visceral Games wanted to focus on the terror aspect, but EA wanted to reach a wider audience and ordered to focus on the action and online co-op aspect with the goal of reaching 5 million games sold (compared to a million for the first Dead Space).
The publisher greatly interfered in the development of the project and changed a lot of original ideas.
The real end of the game was achieved in a paid DLC, again to make the most of it.

Source (in French sorry), I also recommend this great video with more information

If EA felt stopping it after that made sense, it also means they likely won't return to that action type thing if THAT is the thing that failed vs the original darker horror stuff. So I think 4 will be a mix of 1 and 2.
Yeah but we don't know that for now. What we know for sure is that EA is shit, you have proof of that. I can't be excited. I just can't trust them anymore.

Think about it like you are greedy EA. 1 did well, 2 did well, 3 flopped. If they want to make money and run with the nostalgia angle, then it makes sense to focus on 1 and 2. So I agree EA has changed, but I also feel this gen they changed for the better in many areas.
Dead Space 3 is the one who has sold the most... but EA wanted 5 millions copies sold (completely unrealistic) so don't be so sure they gonna take 1&2 as reference.

Next BF's they delay and give proper time, then they give free maps and dlc, now with BF 2042 all maps are free.
Titanfall 2 all maps free
Battlefront 2 all maps free and a story mode
Mass Effect for better or worse was delayed and given more time.
Star Wars Fallen Order exist and thus shows they indeed are ok with single player games.
Dragon Age 4 is now just single player only, which means they are listening to fans, they are adjusting and focusing on what makes sense for each property.
And why? Maybe because EA is tired of being the worst company of the year? It's not because they made 3 good decisions that I'm gonna forget the last 10 years. I'm gonna wait and see how all of this goes.
Btw we all know who is to thanks for Battlefront 2, Dragon Age 4 & Titanfall 2 and that's not EA, it's the players. Like Dragon Age 4 was supposed to have multiplayer, they tried to force it until very recently.
 
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EDMIX

Member
EA wanted to make profits after the game was released so micro-transactions were needed

Yet if it didn't move the units they wanted, it shows it wasn't worth it and they'd go the Star Wars Fallen Order route which is SP only and zero MTX
Yeah but we don't know that for now
Yet we also don't know that it will be this MP, Co-op filled MTX type thing either.....

Dead Space 3 is the one who has sold the most... but EA wanted 5 millions copies sold (completely unrealistic) so don't be so sure they gonna take 1&2 as reference.
I see it as they know 3 failed based on what they wanted, they'd save lots of money making a game closer to 1 and not expecting a massive number to move loot boxes or mtx, ie Star Wars Fallen Order. They already did great with that and could easily apply that to Dead Space 3.
Maybe because EA is tired of being the worst company of the year? It's not because they made 3 good decisions that I'm gonna forget the last 10 years.
I don't fucking care, leave your feelings about EA out of it. You care more about the "why" then you do that it happened all at.

I don't give a shit if EA wants to NEVER have that "worst company of the year" award, if it leads to Star Wars SP with zero loot boxes, MP, MTX and Battlefields with free maps, I'm 100% ok with it. You are too obsessed with this idea of adding this moral spin on a company, like they did XYZ ONLY because of this that and the 3rd, who fucking cares? The point is that happened at all. Never in any of my post am I saying EA is some morally just company now, simply that more evidence exist that they are willing to do those things.

Regardless of "why". Thats irrelevant to any of this.

Think about it. You are first saying EA will do this or that, when shown they have done just the opposite lately, a goal post is created to say "oh but its because EA is tired of" etc, who cares? They did it. Thats the point.

I'm not looking to fucking marry EA, I'm not looking to vote EA as president, we are talking about what we feel a company might do or might not do. Not if you love a company with this deep passion or trust them with your kids or something lol I get it....you hate EA, but I feel that is the thing that hurts many of your points.

You make many solid points, but many points you are blinded by this hate to the point of fucking ignoring reality. I can't assume EA will do something this year based on some shit that happened 10 years ago, it makes no sense. Thats like saying "oh MS won't do this cause remember dat 10 years ago" , but they are not the same as they were 10 years ago, thus i can't just assume that MUST be true JUST cause I dislike MS. I also trust FACTS about their actions. My personal view on the publisher is irrelevant to factual information.
Btw we all know who is to thanks for Battlefront 2, Dragon Age 4 & Titanfall 2 and that's not EA, it's the players.

Nah bud, the publisher made those moves to have free maps, remove MP etc Players don't own EA and can't make them make those moves. EA did that all on their own. If you are going to bash EA for projects that failed, keep that same energy on projects that succeeded under them. I do the same with many publishers I dislike as whats the point of me saying anything if I'm going to hate a publisher REGARDLESS? I mean shit, you are literally saying they tried to FORCE MP in Dragon Age 4, but hey don't thank them for keeping it SP. So be mad at something that didn't happen, but ignore the right call was made? Make it make sense. Its like you only want to focus on negative aspects even when its EA FUCKING REMOVING THE MODE, you only want to talk about the um "almost" vs the good choice to just make it a SP title. Its why I'm saying they might continue that with Dead Space 4...


So I'm not saying to love EA, simply that regardless of the "why" you can't ignore those things have happened recently under EA in regards of SPs with no MP, MPs with no SP, free maps in many of their games and a Star Wars SP clearly that doesn't have MTX on the BBQBBWLOLZ.
 

KyoZz

Gold Member
So I'm not saying to love EA
Man that whole message scream the opposite but ok.

Nah bud, the publisher made those moves to have free maps, remove MP etc Players don't own EA and can't make them make those moves
Yes they can, and they have. The backlash about Battlefront 2 was so big that they completely reworked the way the game work. Don't say EA did it because they are nice, they done it because they had no choice and Disney said fix it or your done with SW, and that was a direct result of the players screams.
So yes, players can have some weight.

Not if you love a company with this deep passion or trust them with your kids or something lol I get it....you hate EA, but I feel that is the thing that hurts many of your points.
Wth are you talking about. I don't hate EA, I just don't care anymore. If they do a good game I play it. Fallen Order is a perfect example, here is what I said about the game on the PC Screen thread:
"Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order: I completely snubbed this game when it was released because you know, EA... and I was so wrong. So far it's really good and damn it's visually amazing!"
If a game is good, it's good. Period.
But we have ton of exemples about EA messing with dev teams, IPs, studios, sequel etc... I just can't be excited about a new Dead Space with 2021 EA.

I can't assume EA will do something this year based on some shit that happened 10 years ago
I do. The difference is I'm not taking into account what happened 10 years ago, no no no.
I'm taking into account what happened SINCE then. And yes Fallen Order is good, but it's far from being enough to say "EA is making the right choice now"
I'm gonna need a good Dragon Age 4 (which was heavy multiplayer, so EA was still out of touch very recently), a VERY solid Mass Effect, a new Burnout, proper next gen version of Fifa & Madden on PC, and then, MAYBE I will consider saying EA started redeem themselves.
Until then, I'm just gonna assume EA will mess with everything. I really hope I'm wrong though.

Again, hope for the best but prepare for the worst. It's my mantra with EA and Ubi.
 

EDMIX

Member
Man that whole message scream the opposite but ok.
Not really. Shit its just saying that they've done that this gen, thus could continue to do it.

My god, seeing that they made a game that is SP only with no MTX and saying they might do the same with Dead Space 4 is now asking to love EA?

Wow bud.


Yes they can, and they have. The backlash about Battlefront 2 was so big that they completely reworked
THEY NEVER FUCKING NEEDED TO! Listen to what you are saying. The backlash over the beta they never needed to have, the feedback they never needed to listen to and IP they own and team they own that they factually DO NOT NEED to tell to rework, they told to do just that.

If EA was so fucking evil, why listen? Why give in to any feedback? Why rework the game? Why give free DLC? They announced all free DLC BEFORE anything regarding the beta btw. You spent more time crying over an almost, then acknowledging the publisher actually giving a beta for feedback, listening to fans and following thru. Kinda fucks up that whole narrative of big bad evil EA bad bs that many keep trying to force.

I'd argue an evil publisher won't give 2 shits.

Doesn't put out a beta.

Doesn't listen to fans.

Rushes the game out.

Zero free DLC and a fuck you to fans.

I'm sorry but, none of that was happening.
Wth are you talking about. I don't hate EA, I just don't care anymore.
I disagree. Your personal issue with this publisher has had you ignoring the entire generation with any excuse that anything good by the publisher wasn't them, but anything bad was 100% them.

It reeks of bullshit man. Its a massive bias I've NEVER had for any publisher, even the ones I don't care for. I don't then go around fucking find anything positive they did and argue it wasn't them, but the fans.....as if the publisher has zero control when its good, but hey they MUST only have control when something bad happens to move a narrative. I've never done that to any publisher, even ones I generally hate. If they do a good move, I can acknowledge that.

You have literally ignored several things that directly go against your entire point.

They have removed MP from a game recently to continue it to be Single player.

They have with a single player title made it with zero MTX and zero MP

This doesn't help your point to then pretend allllllll those reason MUST be some elses doing and oh man, the publisher with those situations must have not really did those things.
But we have ton of exemples about EA messing with dev teams, IPs, studios, sequel etc.
Thats nice.

We have tons of RECENT examples of them giving those teams more freedom.

Getting rid of modes that make no sense to certain IP both MP and SP mind you.

We've seen for several titles now them put out free maps, free DLC etc.

I'm sorry man, but even my dislike for Microsoft doesn't have me saying they have NOT given teams creative freedom, oh they still have a small first party, oh they HATE new IP, oh they treat teams badly etc.

They have made moves that argue against that, thus regardless of how I felt BEFORE, no evidence exist that is how they currently are...RIGHT NOW. Your entire focus is "oh yea 10 years ago doe"

We are not talking about a Dead Space 4 in 2011 or something, we are talking about a Dead Space 4 post 2021. I must take what they've done recently into consideration in regards to what they might do.

That has nothing to do with loving or hating them. You seem to have a personal issue with them that blinds you from that concept.
I'm taking into account what happened SINCE then. And yes Fallen Order is good, but it's far from being enough to say "EA is making the right choice now"

Doesn't matter bud.

It happened. They made a Single Player, made it known it would NOT have MTX or MP.

Thus....it must be taken into account. I can't keep fucking just blindly hating something based on some shit from 10 years ago. Even publishers i dislike RIGHT NOW is subject to change based on their actions. I don't think its fair or just or even makes sense to continue to just have a blind hate and use dated examples and then proceed to ignore all that they've done this past gen.

That being said. If they did such things this gen, I must assume they are likely to do that next gen with stuff like Dead Space.

So I expect no MP, (maybe co-op, who knows), no MTX, no lootboxes etc.
 

SafeOrAlone

Member
One thing I'd like to see in Dead Space 4 would be a decrease in enemy count, similar to what we had in Dead Space 1. More one-on-one encounters, with powerful enemies, so we can really emphasize how important it is to be strategic when choosing which limbs to lob off. It's going to be way more satisfying to slice an enemies leg off and watch him begin to stumble, if he is a greater threat. Besides that, by Dead Space 2 and 3, the enemy count had gone a bit overboard.

I'd also like to see the less restrictive zero-gravity segments return. I really liked how those were handled in Dead Space 2 and 3. Also, bigger levels and environments, but design them with enemy encounters in mind - vents, walls that break down, traps - allow us to use the wide-open levels strategically and be chased throughout large sections of the ship. I wouldn't mind some survival elements either, if they want to branch ever so slightly away from the arcade-nature of the original games. I think it could be cool to have to heal yourself, like in Metal Gear Solid 3, but in real time, knowing enemies could be lurking.

Basically, take some influence from Alien Isolation but don't forget what made Dead Space 1 and 2 special.
 
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KyoZz

Gold Member
THEY NEVER FUCKING NEEDED TO! Listen to what you are saying. The backlash over the beta they never needed to have, the feedback they never needed to listen to and IP they own and team they own that they factually DO NOT NEED to tell to rework, they told to do just that.

If EA was so fucking evil, why listen? Why give in to any feedback? Why rework the game? Why give free DLC? They announced all free DLC BEFORE anything regarding the beta btw. You spent more time crying over an almost, then acknowledging the publisher actually giving a beta for feedback, listening to fans and following thru. Kinda fucks up that whole narrative of big bad evil EA bad bs that many keep trying to force.

I'd argue an evil publisher won't give 2 shits.

Doesn't put out a beta.

Doesn't listen to fans.

Rushes the game out.

Zero free DLC and a fuck you to fans.

I'm sorry but, none of that was happening.
Can you please calm down? Anyway you do understand that it was Disney that forced EA to rework the game right? The needed to, no choice. Read this:

I disagree. Your personal issue with this publisher has had you ignoring the entire generation with any excuse that anything good by the publisher wasn't them, but anything bad was 100% them.
I literally NEVER said that. And you know my issue with EA better than me. Cool. And what about Fallen Order? I liked this game as I said, even acknowledging I was wrong but I'm still ignoring the entire generation?
The thing is you can't take ONE singleplayer game and say "EA is redeemed". Or maybe for you, but don't jump on me because I don't agree.

We have tons of RECENT examples
No, we don't. Great singleplayer game by EA since the PS4 and Xone mmmmh I see Fallen Order and....... ?

If they did such things this gen, I must assume they are likely to do that next gen with stuff like Dead Space.
Again, maybe yes, maybe no. They need a lot more than free map for BF 2042 to win me back.
We don't know if Dragon Age 4 is gonna be good but the last entry was bad so...
We don't know if the next Mass Effect is gonna be good but the last entry was bad so...
We don't know if BF 2042 is gonna be good but the last entry was bad so...
We don't know if the Dead Space reboot is gonna be good but the last entry was bad so...
Do you see a pattern? Now maybe the future is bright but I need more than one game and a lot of promises, especially from EA.

I think I'm gonna stop here, you have your opinion and I have mine and that's ok. As I said I don't care about EA anymore but if a game is good, I play it that's all.
 

EDMIX

Member
Anyway you do understand that it was Disney that forced EA to rework the game right?
Disney forced EA to also have free Maps in Titanfall 2, Battlefield V, 2042 etc? Are you sure all those moves are based on Disney?
what about Fallen Order? I liked this game as I said, even acknowledging I was wrong but I'm still ignoring the entire generation?
The thing is you can't take ONE singleplayer game and say "EA is redeemed". Or maybe for you,

Never said anything like that bud. You are the one that is living on this "redeemed" or not moral mission here. I told you this was something personal for you, you are the one looking for redemption in regards to the company.
No, we don't.
Oh we do though.

They rushed BF4, yet delayed other titles that generation, clearly something has changed.

Add in Titanfall 2 having all free maps, Battlefront 2, Battlefield V, Battlefield 2042, clearly something has changed.

Single player titles like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Mirrors Edge, Titanfall 2 SP, Star Wars Fallen Order, Squadrons etc

The fact that they are still doing single player titles, delaying titles to make them better vs rusing out, BF2042 was literally delayed to skip this next gen launch, it shows you are not really talking about 100% the exact same EA.

The EA from last gen was going to rush that shit out to get it on next gen systems day 1, here is a season pass, no free dlc and have fun. Thats not what is happening here.
Again, maybe yes, maybe no. They need a lot more than free map for BF 2042 to win me back.

lol well there you go. This indeed is some redemption thing for you. Win you back?

This isn't about winning you back sir, this is just about factually talking about what they've done and what they might do in the future.

We don't know if Dragon Age 4 is gonna be good but the last entry was bad so...
Moot point, what we do know is that EA has removed MP to focus on Single player, the teams strength
We don't know if the next Mass Effect is gonna be good but the last entry was bad so...
Moot point
We don't know if BF 2042 is gonna be good but the last entry was bad so...
Moot point and I don't know if 9 million units and free maps is "bad" by any means. So what we do know about 2042 is that they will have free maps for all.
We don't know if the Dead Space reboot is gonna be good but the last entry was bad so...

and what we can speculate is they have done Single player with no MP and no MTX and it has worked for them. We can speculate that Dead Space reboot might not have MTX or an MP etc.

Thats it.

This shit on if its good or not is moot. We don't know that about any game by any team by any publisher.

So if you can bring up all the shit that happened that was bad, 99% sure you can bring up all the things that happened like EA delaying a game to make it better vs rushing shit out, removing modes that are not used or not done the best by the team, giving free maps and modes etc.

Make it fair. All i'm saying is all that shit can't be ignored simply because you dislike the publisher. I'm not saying to love em, but look at what was done this generation and at least see its only fair to assume they might apply that same thing to Dead Space 4.

I assumed BF 2042 was going to have free maps and was correct on that guess. I'm not a insider or anything like that, I simply watched what they did this generation WITHOUT BIAS and was able to assume they MIGHT do that again with BF2042. Without bias, at least see they might do a Dead Space that is SP only, no MTX and no loot boxes. It worked for Fallen Order and that might be what EA will do with many of their AAA single player games going forward, again look at Dragon Age. This has nothing to do with winning you back or me liking them or not or anything like that. SImply factually looking at what they did and assuming they might continue.
 

KyoZz

Gold Member
Disney forced EA to also have free Maps in Titanfall 2, Battlefield V, 2042 etc? Are you sure all those moves are based on Disney?
Damage control. That's all. And they are most likely based after the BIG backlash about Battlefront II & Disney. So yeah, those move are kind of based about Disney.
Titanfall is an exception because you can be sure Respawn learned their lesson with Activision, meaning free DLC was probably in the agreement from the start.

lol well there you go. This indeed is some redemption thing for you. Win you back?
Of course it is, EA has some of my most loved IPs like C&C, Mass Effect, SSX etc... so yeah, I want them to succeed and do great games again and have some kind of redemption

Oh we do though.

They rushed BF4, yet delayed other titles that generation, clearly something has changed.

Add in Titanfall 2 having all free maps, Battlefront 2, Battlefield V, Battlefield 2042, clearly something has changed.

Single player titles like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Mirrors Edge, Titanfall 2 SP, Star Wars Fallen Order, Squadrons etc

The fact that they are still doing single player titles, delaying titles to make them better vs rusing out, BF2042 was literally delayed to skip this next gen launch, it shows you are not really talking about 100% the exact same EA.

The EA from last gen was going to rush that shit out to get it on next gen systems day 1, here is a season pass, no free dlc and have fun. Thats not what is happening here.
I though we talked about singleplayer games but ok:
Titanfall 2: see above.
Battlefield V, Battlefield 2042, clearly something has changed? Yes, see above that's a result of the big backlash.
Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Mirrors Edge, Dead Space... their last game was bad. Squadron isn't that good either and BFV is know to be the worst game in the main series.

what we do know is that EA has removed MP to focus on Single player, the teams strength
That doesn't make a good game, as I said wait and see but the past prove me right.

I don't know if 9 million units and free maps is "bad" by any means. So what we do know about 2042 is that they will have free maps for all.
Sales ≠ quality. Look now and the game is deserted, BF4 and BF One are more played. Free map is good for sure.

what we can speculate is they have done Single player with no MP and no MTX and it has worked for them. We can speculate that Dead Space reboot might not have MTX or an MP etc.
Yes you can speculate but the previous entry say otherwise and give me reason to be perplexed.

Moot point
Those aren't moot point, we could look at user reviews but I know you know.

This shit on if its good or not is moot. We don't know that about any game by any team by any publisher.

So if you can bring up all the shit that happened that was bad, 99% sure you can bring up all the things that happened like EA delaying a game to make it better vs rushing shit out, removing modes that are not used or not done the best by the team, giving free maps and modes etc.
Make it fair. All i'm saying is all that shit can't be ignored simply because you dislike the publisher. I'm not saying to love em, but look at what was done this generation and at least see its only fair to assume they might apply that same thing to Dead Space 4.
You can. I wont. I need actual good games before taking EA seriously again and what they've done in the last year or two is far from being enough in my opinion.
Like... you say multiplayer in Dragon Age 4 is abandoned as if it's a good news, and yes it could be right?

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This game shouldn't had multiplayer in the first place ffs. The fact that they wasted time on this just prove that we need to be careful with EA.
 

EDMIX

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Damage control. That's all. And they are most likely based after the BIG backlash about Battlefront II & Disney.
I disagree. The free DLC was announced BEFORE the backlash, it was the beta that cause the backlash, but the free DLC was announced months before that beta ever came. Also Titanfall 2 released BEFORE that entire thing occurred, it had free maps..... So you can't really just claim all of that is a Disney thing.
Of course it is, EA has some of my most loved IPs like C&C, Mass Effect, SSX etc... so yeah, I want them to succeed and do great games again
Thats fine, but the point of this is simply showing that EA has done it before, thus could be done in Dead Space 4, not "can EA win me back again" like, huh? If you want to talk about that sure, but this has nothing to really do with that.
I though we talked about singleplayer games but ok:
The examples used are showing that they've recently done things, those things can be argued that they would likely continue, thus Dead Space 4 likely to not have MTX or MP etc
That doesn't make a good game
Thats not what I'm debating.. so... yea.
Sales ≠ quality. Look now and the game is deserted, BF4 and BF One are more played. Free map is good for sure.
I don't disagree in general, but BFV still moved units and the fact that they kept the free maps shows they are willing to keep things that work.

Thus, the example used is to show they have done it recently, will likely do it again. JUST LIKE having a Single Player with no MTX or MP. Thats all.
Yes you can speculate but the previous entry say otherwise and give me reason to be perplexed.
You can be perplexed as much as you want lol, the point is simply that EA did things last gen that can be assumed they'd do again.
Those aren't moot point,
Oh it is. Any game can be good or bad, simply not the point I'm making.
I need actual good games before taking EA seriously again
Sure, but this is about what EA would likely do with Dead Space 4 based on their recent moves.... You keep trying to see this as a "EA, can I trust you" or "EA, can I take you seriously again and can you win me BACK"

This is why I'm saying you are talking this a personal thing. This is simply about what they might do, based on what they've done recently. Not if EA loves you, or if you'll take EA back lol Like...huh? I don't know how much more that can be stated btw. It shows you keep seeing this as some redemption thing or something.
This game shouldn't had multiplayer in the first place ffs.

I agree, but notice your focus is to complain that it should have NEVER had this or that, vs being happy that EA is actually listening. You literally only want to focus on a bad thing almost happened or a bad thing did happen.

Ignores that EA is making the call to not have MP in such a title.

The fact that they wasted time on this just prove that we need to be careful with EA.

Nah, the fact that they REMOVED IT BEFORE RELEASE proves they are listening. You basically are seeking any negative thing to point out while ignoring any positive. So that whole lovers scorned thing hurts most of your points, it shows its something personal and you want something to win you back or something like that, instead of just looking at objective facts to see what would be done, you only want to talk about things that "hurt you" or what you want lol


I'm not debating any of that, you actually are. My point is simply, they did this recently, thus they are likely to do such moves with Dead Space. Not if you think it will be good or bad or redemption or winning back or any of that shit.

It would be like if someone told me they think this next MS game will launch on Game pass and I"m like "ok ,but can they win me back...NO, remember when MS di" and then continue to just express my emotions regarding MS instead of just looking at the objective fact about what they've done.

They'd be like "ok, but look at all the games MS put on Gamepass"

Me "ok, but how many will be good"

or

"ok, but can they win me back bro"

Its irrelevant to what is being speculated. If you want to talk about that else where, sure, but what I'm saying isn't a personal thing regarding EA, its simply what have they done recently and can factually what they've done show us what they might do with Dead Space 4.......thats it.
 

KyoZz

Gold Member
I disagree. The free DLC was announced BEFORE the backlash, it was the beta that cause the backlash, but the free DLC was announced months before that beta ever came. Also Titanfall 2 released BEFORE that entire thing occurred, it had free maps..... So you can't really just claim all of that is a Disney thing.
Copy past because I responded to this already...
"Titanfall is an exception because you can be sure Respawn learned their lesson with Activision, meaning free DLC was probably in the agreement from the start." and "EA need to do more than free map to convince me"

Thats fine, but the point of this is simply showing that EA has done it before, thus could be done in Dead Space 4, not "can EA win me back again" like, huh? If you want to talk about that sure, but this has nothing to really do with that.
I'm not debating this. I'm not saying Dead Space 4 is gonna be shit because it's EA. I said I'm not convinced by "EA has learned his lesson" especially after ME Andromeda, Dead Space 3, ME Catalyst etc etc... the list is quite long.
Again: time will tell, hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

The examples used are showing that they've recently done things, those things can be argued that they would likely continue, thus Dead Space 4 likely to not have MTX or MP etc
Yep, and I'm not gonna praise EA as soon as they do one good thing or because a game doesn't have MTX. You can be happy by the turnover, for me it's just normal and how it should be from the start. Remember we talk about a millions dollar company.

Thus, the example used is to show they have done it recently, will likely do it again. JUST LIKE having a Single Player with no MTX or MP. Thats all.
See above. No MTX and free map isn't enough if the games are actually bad for whatever reason, and the output of EA on the last gen is quite bad that's a fact.

Oh it is. Any game can be good or bad, simply not the point I'm making.

Sure, but this is about what EA would likely do with Dead Space 4 based on their recent moves.... You keep trying to see this as a "EA, can I trust you" or "EA, can I take you seriously again and can you win me BACK"

This is why I'm saying you are talking this a personal thing. This is simply about what they might do, based on what they've done recently. Not if EA loves you, or if you'll take EA back lol Like...huh? I don't know how much more that can be stated btw. It shows you keep seeing this as some redemption thing or something.
I'm not taking this as a personal thing, like I said I don't care about EA but if they start doing good games again I will play them.
When I say "win me back" I'm talking about being excited about what's to come, that's it. And right now I can't be excited for Dead Space 4 or the next Mass Effect as much as I secretly hope those are good and true to the heart of the series.
I wanted to try Fallen Order and the latest BF so I bought a year of EA Play last month (I give you a proof if you want) so I guess I don't hate them that much after all?

I agree, but notice your focus is to complain that it should have NEVER had this or that, vs being happy that EA is actually listening. You literally only want to focus on a bad thing almost happened or a bad thing did happen.

Ignores that EA is making the call to not have MP in such a title.
Of course I'm focusing on this we have nothing more. That was a bad decision, the team has lost time and resources focusing on an element they knew didn't had it's place.
I'm not going to praise the fact that EA was lucid enough to cancel this shit.

You basically are seeking any negative thing to point out while ignoring any positive.
I could argue you are searching any positive to point while ignoring all the other things. Still we all know there is a lot more negative than positive about EA, it's sad and I hope it change.

I'm not debating any of that, you actually are.
Yeaaaaaah I'm not sure about that.

It would be like if someone told me they think this next MS
Why do you keep bringing Microsoft in this talk?

and then continue to just express my emotions regarding MS instead of just looking at the objective fact about what they've done
My emotion? Really?
Fact: Mass Effect Andromeda, ME Catalyst and Dead space 3 etc... are bad games.
I played all of them so I know what I'm talking about. Sure you can say "to each their one, you are not the center of the World, this is your opinion blablabla" but that's bad faith.

Listen I get it you are full of hopes for the future of EA and that's fine !!
But I can't be excited for any games EA has in production right now, they have a long way to do before that.
 
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