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Jim Ryan - The Sony stance is that the Japanese market remains incredibly important to us,”
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Mobile Suit Gooch
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MiyazakiHatesKojima
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Papa Jim, we trust you with all our hearts!
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I don't consider Dark Souls Remake a SIE Japan game. I know what you are saying, but that's a BluePoint game.
I really doubt about Jim is saying. We have NIS making exclusive games for PSX for 2 decades and now multi platform games, even Disgaea 6 will not release on west for PlayStation. Falcon making exclusive games for 20 years, announced they will be multi platform company from 2021. Atlus only make Persona for PlayStation, when before they would release the most games on PlayStation.
I suppose that to Jim, Japan is Capcom and Square only
I suppose that to Jim, Japan is Capcom and Square only
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
As a franchise it means more to the Japanese market than a lot of titles would do.
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
I know you're exaggerating. But your point stands... Exactly.
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Unknown?
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I'm sure that was their plan until the massive amounts of FFUUUDDD came out saying they were abandoning it.
TaylorSwiftFan
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These execs need to shut the fuck up.
Mr Hyde
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Most likely.
Unknown?
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People need to stop making stupid narratives about them so they wouldn't have to respond to questions like this.
Virt McPolygon
Banned
The PlayStation brand is clearly it's own thing, which is headquartered in California. So he didn't really dispell any rumors by saying "Sony". Of course, Sony is still selling the rest of their products in Japan and utilizing creative talent and product designers there. Regarding PlayStation, though -- Jim Ryan can not leave fast enough.
Barakov
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“The Sony stance is that the Japanese market remains incredibly important to us,” he said. “We have not been as excited about the engagement of the Japanese game development community as we are now for many years.”
“I’d also observe that we’re making a statement by launching in Japan day and date with the US, and that is not what we did with PS4. So I read that stuff. A lot of that commentary is inaccurate, and Japan – as our second largest market and as Sony’s homeland – continues to be really important to us.”
Jim Ryan on claims that Sony is shifting away from Japan: "A lot of the commentary is inaccurate"
Edge speak to Jim Ryan on Sony's relationship with Japanwww.gamesradar.com
Airbus Jr
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To be fair how he should respond to such question
That "we dont give a shit about japan anymore"?
Doki doki heartoPapa Jim, we trust you with all our hearts!
mikefrails
Banned
The PS fanbase is distinctly western so why not lean in that direction?
TaylorSwiftFan
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What narratives are those? And the people making these narratives asking them these questions?
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Matsuchezz
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Playstation Platforms receive a lot of japanese games, a lot of those games do not appeal to me, but I bet lots of people are covered with their japanese output, maybe Sony is not creating those, but the platform will not lack that content. I am subscribed to Playstation you tube channel, and a lot of japanese game trailers are published there. I guess why spend money when you have the base covered.
SkylineRKR
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I don't think Sony is shifting away from Japan, but Japan is shifting away from consoles for a decade now. Sony has Yakuza, Valkyria, Death Stranding, FF, DQ... there were quite some big games catered to that market.
For PS5 they essentially have DMCV and Demon's Souls available now. Gran Turismo is targeted for spring 2021 or so, and FFXVI has been locked.
For PS5 they essentially have DMCV and Demon's Souls available now. Gran Turismo is targeted for spring 2021 or so, and FFXVI has been locked.
prinz_valium
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Second biggest market with just 1/3 of the units shipped as the 4th biggest market
Unknown?
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People made up BS about them sidelining Japan on baseless assumptions.
Steadfast Through Storms
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What they need to do is create more first party studios and bring back the AA market. More Legend of the Dragoon, Ico, Shadow, Dark Cloud, etc.
butane bob
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Horse shit, Jim.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Atlus is having something persona related for the Playstation awards. I think
Redlancet
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This argument its Pretty dumb, if people dont buy the damn thing what do you expect? Sony is not a ong, and you cant compete with Nintendo on the portable scene they can make things like animal crossing with little development cost and sell more than ten games with big budgets
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Dr. Kitty Muffins
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Japan abandoned console gaming and Nintendo is the only company that has found a way to get a portion of those gamers back. I don't know how you go about growing a market that left you behind and isn't interested anymore. Japan isn't the land of geeky gamers anymore like some of you wish it to be.
Unknown?
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No they haven't. Wii U did terrible there. Switch is a handheld first and foremost. It can't connect to a TV without a peripheral(which is sold with the system however). If they made a straight console I don't see it doing much better there than PS4 did.
Demon's Souls and DMC aren't a big game in Japan.
For comparison after 3 weeks of release
Demon's Souls PS5 sold around 24K in 3 weeks with 12% attach rate.
Zelda BOTW NSW sold around 272K in 3 weeks with 61% attach rate.
Miles708
Member
Is this data specific for Japan? Do you have any source?
Not because I don't believe you, but if true, this data raises a question: what the heck are Japanese owners playing on their PS5?
If you can't have a big attach rate even when there's only 1 real "big" game (which is the usual argument used for the Switch's attach rate) then your market is made almost exclusively of scalpers and lunatics.
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AmuroChan
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It's Sony's job to sell the product. Not the consumers. They barely supported it on the first party front and they didn't do enough to entice more 3rd party devs to release games on it. The PSP sold 80 million units and Sony rested on their laurels, thinking people will buy the Vita no matter what. Most of Sony's top studios didn't release a single game on the Vita (ie. ND, Santa Monica, Polyphony, Sucker Punch) and the studios that did work on a Vita game, many of them were shuttered (ie. Zipper, Liverpool, GG Cambridge). They had almost no big 3rd party games like they did with the PSP when it had GTA and Monster Hunter. Sorry, but if Sony isn't going to support their own system, they don't just get to pass the blame onto the consumers. Oh, and did I mention the ridiculous prices they were charging for the Vita memory cards?
After 2 weeks on the market
26./11. [PS5] Demon's Souls <RPG> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2020.11.12} (¥7.900) - 2.882 / 21.489 <40-60%> (-85%)
and failed to chart on top 30 in its 3rd week which the no.30 game was at 2.8K and DeS remake failed to reach that number.
ゲームソフト販売本数ランキング | ゲーム・エンタメ最新情報のファミ通.com
PS5、PS4、Switch、3DS等の推定ゲーム販売本数ランキング30件です。2024年1月1日～2024年1月7日に集計された店舗データが元になっています。
s.famitsu.com
there's around 201K of PS5 hardware in Japan.
Trimesh
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The decision to swap over X/O made quite a few of the Japanese I know feel that Sony doesn't give a fuck about the Japanese market any more. The thing is that in Japan this is much more than just a control convention on consoles, O (maru) always means "OK"/"Correct" and X (batsu) always means "No"/"Wrong". Unless you are playing a Sony console.
Vaelka
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Everyone gotta conform to Merica.
Miles708
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After 2 weeks on the market
26./11. [PS5] Demon's Souls <RPG> (Sony Interactive Entertainment) {2020.11.12} (¥7.900) - 2.882 / 21.489 <40-60%> (-85%)
and failed to chart on top 30 in its 3rd week which the no.30 game was at 2.8K and DeS remake failed to reach that number.
ゲームソフト販売本数ランキング | ゲーム・エンタメ最新情報のファミ通.com
PS5、PS4、Switch、3DS等の推定ゲーム販売本数ランキング30件です。2024年1月1日～2024年1月7日に集計された店舗データが元になっています。
there's around 201K of PS5 hardware in Japan.
Then, at cost of repeating myself... why are japanese gamers even buying a PS5, if they do not buy the only games out on the platform?
Is there something I'm missing? What's the logic here?
yurinka
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I'd say the logic is that -outside Nintendo platforms-:
-The biggest selling games are multiplatform instead of exclusive
-Demon's Souls isn't from top seller IP so it wouldn't make sense to expect top seller numbers
-The % of games sold digitally is very important
-It's developed by 'dirty gaijins'
-They knew consoles were supply constrained and had only a few thousand consoles for Japan, so maybe they shipped a small amount of copies of PS5 games for Japan too
-Knowing there are only a small amount of consoles out there in Japan, maybe it makes more sense to look at the attach rate of the game instead of looking at its (retail) game sales and to compare it to the Japanese launch attach rate of previous Soulsborne games to know if this game performed better or worse
-We're in the middle of a pandemic, so maybe people already made a big monetary effort to buy the console and will wait to buy other games later in order to save more money, and until then they will enjoy the BC backlog and PS+ Collecton games
-Knack isn't the main character of Demon's Souls
Maybe they play mostly multiplatform, crossgen and BC games, like the Series X|S players worldwide. Exclusive games traditionally are a very small portion of game sales on PS and Xbox. And well there are games that are more or less appealing to the Japanese market. I'd say Final Fantasy XVI, Gran Turismo 7, Resident Evil 8, Final Fantasy VII Remake 2 and so on will interest more the Japanese market.
PS4 will continue in the market for at least 3 years more. It will be in the market during 10+ years like the previous PS consoles. So it will sell many more units in Japan than the ones you posted there, it would be more fine to show their numbers for when they were 7 years old. And even considering that, PS4 is more expensive now than where these consoles were at this point, which means it has more room to continue selling in the future.
The home console market has been declining during many years for everybody, not only Sony. For Nintendo and MS too. And their game sales have been shifting to digital as hapened worldwide. Japanese market have been shifting to mobile, and always prefered portables over handhelds. This is the reason of why Switch performs so well in Japan, specially now it has the handheld market monopoly with Vita and 3DS buried.
The home console market is shrinking in Japan, but it's growing in the rest of the world (specially NA+EMEA), which is by far their main worldwide market. So taking that into consideration, the publishers focus less on Japan and more in the western market.
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Unknown?
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Riiight. So Metal Gear Solid keeping the Japanese inputs in the West was Konami and Kojima giving the West a middlefinger? I never saw it that way and pretty ridiculous to think so.
Was Sega changing Dr. Robotnik to Dr. Eggman in the West also saying they don't care about Western audiences?
Trimesh
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That makes no sense at all - there is no cultural convention that X = OK in the west, but there is a strong cultural convention that X = Wrong in Japan.
Unknown?
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Well there was a strong cultural convention for the Dr. Robotnik name too but no one took it as Sega not caring about the West.
As far as the cross goes, when selecting something on a checklist you generally put either a checkmark or an X. I've played many games where triangle is the back button too. Are those games screwing over Japan as well? I don't really think anyone considers these symbols to represent their intended purpose anyway.. No one thinks of square as a map button.
MagnesG
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Quite a stretch of logic.
Redlancet
Banned
Thats a lot of nonsense, false claims and a juvenile and myopic view of how market works, congrats
Sold-through number for Demon's Souls Remake is at 20% according to Famitsu.
Sony shipped around 100K physical copies of DeS remake for the launch day and after 3 weeks it only sold around 24K.
We likely to see DeS remake, Spiderman MM, and the rest of PS5 physical softwares on the bargain bins soon after failing to clear the initial launch shipments.
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3 logical reasons
1. Scalpers and resellers bought a lot of PS5.
2. Playing PS4 games in high resolution and fps on PS5 thanks to PS5 BC solution.
3. No AAA game for Japanese audience like Zelda BOTW on Switch. DeS remake is just an old game with a new graphics and Spiderman MM is just an expansion of Spiderman PS4 game.
Trimesh
Banned
No, "Robotnik" was just an arbitrary name - I personally think that "Eggman" was childish and stupid, but it's just a name. What Sony are doing here is the equivalent of Sega saying that all subsequent Sonic games - even the ones for the Japanese market - have to use "Eggman"- which would probably go down about as well as Sony changing the button conventions on Japanese market games has.
What's happening here is that when the original PSX was designed the Japanese (quite reasonably) adopted a control convention that matched their standard cultural one. For some reason SCEA decided to flip the button assignments and since it was easier to take an already localized game and change the video mode than relocalize it SCEE ended up doing the same. Note that at this point, Sony was still a Japanese corporation - but at no point did SCEI go "no, you have to follow our conventions".
Now that Sony is a US corporation in everything except which market it's listed on, they are trying to force their (US based) convention onto everyone - including the Japanese - and a lot of people in Japan don't like that.
S
SLoWMoTIoN
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He thinks people are goddamn morons...what else is new?
Are you seriously comparing multiple countries vs some tiny island(s)?US: 50mln sold PS4
EU: 50mln sold PS4
JP: 10mln sold PS4
JimBo c´mon
FTFY.
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