I haven't gotten through the entire thing but so far (knowing nothing about her) she is very smart and brings up lot's of great points. Joe, as always does a great job of bringing up counter arguments or playing devils advocate yet they maintain a very pleasant and listenable conversation. After listening to this Tulsi has my attention. I feel like she needs to run again in 2024 if Trump wins '20. She is like a more attractive, smarter, well-spoken and experienced congress woman than AOC. I'm usually impressed with democratic veterans in politics.