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Joel Schumacher’s Batman Forever - A Misunderstood Masterpiece (video)

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That video title might be too much but the movie is much better than people say. It might be disappointing when you compare it to the Burton movies but I have always liked it. Its fun and Val Kilmer is great as Batman. They cut some really good scenes from the final movie so it could be even better. I hope Warner releases the 3 hour director's cut at some point:


"I have it on pretty good authority that there exists in the Warner Bros. vault a 170-minute cut of Batman Forever," Bernardin told his co-host Kevin Smith. "I think that it went much deeper into his childhood psychosis and his mental blocks and that it was a more serious, darker version of that movie that was one of the first assemblies that Joel filed with the studio and they eventually cut it down because they were like 'it's too dark for kids. We gotta sell these Happy Meals, so maybe let's not invest ourselves in the trauma of childhood murder. We've got Jim Carrey, let him do some s--t."

Smith said that while WB might doubt it, he strongly suspects fans would like to see the extended cut, noting that post-laserdisc and DVD, audiences are smart enough to understand the differences between cuts.

"In a world where Joel Schumacher just passed away, what an interesting, wonderful testimony that would be to his work, to get to see a totally different version of Batman Forever," Smith said.

I wish they hadn't cut this scene:
 
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I agree. Great movie. Kilmer did a pretty good job. I find myself watching it more often than Returns as much as I love Keaton.

A lot of people hate on Harvey and Nygma but they achieved the vibe they were going for well. They certainly weren’t the most comic accurate villains shown on the big screen, but neither are any of Nolan’s who get so much praise.
 

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That vdeo title might be too much but the movie is much better than people say. It might be disappointing when you compare it to the Burton movies but I have always liked it. Its fun and Val Kilmer is great as Batman. They cut some really good scenes from the final movie so it could be better. I hope Warner releases the 3 hour director's cut at some point:




I wish they hadn't cut this scene:
I’ve never seen this cut scene before. Easily the best part of the movie and it wasn’t even in the movie.
 
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It was great.

He out did his own work with Batman and robin.
Batman Forever is indeed very good.

But Batman & Robin is, without exaggeration, possibly the worst movie I've ever seen. Somehow it doesn't ever enter 'so bad it's good' territory. It just gets worse and worse.
 
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on a serious note why was kilmer left out for batman and robin
 

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Forever had such a strange feel to it, the film swings too much between serious and camp. He fixed it with Batman & Robin though, that movie is definitely a more pure experience, and I think it's better for it.
 
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Kidman, O'Donnel, and Jones sink whatever the movie actually had going for it. Kilmer is ok but he doesn't really elevate the film in any way.
 
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Still my favorite Batman movie

Campy as hell for sure, but it was much more fun than the Nolan trilogy (though they obviously weren't going for "fun" with those) and holds up way better than Batman & Robin imo.
 

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on a serious note why was kilmer left out for batman and robin

He didn't like Schumacher, and Schumacher didn't like him. He was making The Saint when they were starting Batman & Robin and wanted to do Island of Dr. Moreau more. As for that movie check out Lost Soul (I think it's still on Amazon Prime) for the trainwreck that was.
 
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He didn't like Schumacher, and Schumacher didn't like him. He was making The Saint when they were starting Batman & Robin and wanted to do Island of Dr. Moreau more. As for that movie check out Lost Soul (I think it's still on Amazon Prime) for the trainwreck that was.
i liked the saint , never heard of lost soul , tf is that
 
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Batman Forever gets shit on a little unfairly. It's a solid popcorn flick. The only thing that really bothers me is how two face and the riddler just seem to be playing the same character in a slightly different way. Not sure what Shumacher was thinking with Batman and Robin though. That movie is such a turd lol.

I randomly had this song stuck in my head about a month or two ago. Classic.
 

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Calling Batman Forever a "masterpiece" is a leap I just can't take.

Batman w/ Michael Keaton, Returns, and the entire Nolan trilogy are all far better.

But I do love the camp of Forever and B&R... but even then if I want a campy flick I prefer Arnold's whacky Mr. Freeze to Riddler/Two-Face.
 

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It's pretty weird, but also one of the most visually interesting movies ever. As far as story and characters it's like they took the camp from 60s Batman and put a 90s emo spin on it. Most of the acting is unbearable though, especially when Valium Kilmer and Chris O'Donnell interact. Seeing Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones trying to out-goof eachother is also really strange.
 
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The first line Batman says in this movie is "I'll get drive through". Just something to keep in mind during reappraisal of it as a "masterpiece".
Its still the best opening scene in any Batman movie:

They could have left out that line. They probably included it so they could use it in the McDonalds commercial.
 
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Absolutely not.

Although I would watch the shit out of that alternate cut. May very well be an Alien 3: Assembly Cut-style situation.
 
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That family of fucking dweebs at the beginning of the video "Batman Returns was a total attack against kids!" and "McDonalds has apologized to us. They're embarrassed" lmao

Val Kilmer was a good Batman and Nicole Kidman was hot.

Also got this music video
 

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I wonder why they decided to make Two-Face the way they did. He is funny but Tommy Lee Jones deserved better. He was too similar to Riddler.
 
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That family of fucking dweebs at the beginning of the video "Batman Returns was a total attack against kids!" and "McDonalds has apologized to us. They're embarrassed" lmao

Val Kilmer was a good Batman and Nicole Kidman was hot.

Also got this music video
It had a great soundtrack. PJ Harvey, Nick Cave, and even Michael Hutchence doing a cover of Iggy Pop.
 
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I actually really liked this movie as a kid. I thought it looked visually really neat and was too young to really grasp the entirelty of the story. It was my go to batman movie in my younger years over batman and batman returns.

I actually havent seen it since I was probably 11 or 12 so maybe I will give it a watch with Adult eyes.
 

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I hated Jones’ Two Face. Producers told him to go watch Nicholson’s Joker and that was the extent of his crash course on the history of Two Face.

Still the movie has this gem of a line....

 
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I will say I do appreciate how the movie has the asthetics of a Van Halen album cover.

That's it tho. That's literally all this flick has going for it.
 
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Recently rewatched them all.... the fucker who made that video can fuck off and OP can fuck right off as well for being associated with trying to spin any positivity to any of of Schumacher batflicks. Fuck right off with that shit


Heathen cunts
The darker Batman is the best but there is room for other interpretations of the character too. I'm glad that both Forever and B&R exist.
 
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Er... no. It was terrible. Not really that much better than Batman and Robin. Horrible characterisations and poor story.

But, you know, if you’re okay with a thirty year old man playing Robin, shithouse dialogue, Two Face with blueberry pie all over half his face, a drag queen as the Riddler, and the entire thing looking like someone fucked a neon tube and gave birth to a celluloid retarded baby, then that’s fine as well.
 
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I didn't hate forever, but it's not a misunderstood masterpiece either in my opinion. The best part of the movie is "kiss from a rose".
 
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The problem with all 4 Batman movies (though the Burton ones were better) was they kept wanting to do big screen adaptations of the TV show. Burton’s was more of a twisted take but it was there. Shit all Nicholson did was copy Caesar Romero.

I was in middle school when Batman 89 came out and was super into comic book collecting. So I was the prime target for that movie and I was very disappointed in it.

Almost no fighting. Very little action. Too much focus on the Joker. Weird changes like the joker killing the Waynes, Harvey’s black, Gordon is a moron, Vicki Vale wasn’t in the comic.

By this time too, The Dark Knight Returns was out, so was Legends of the Dark Knight. I wanted THOSE interpretations put on the big screen. Even the regular monthly was darker and more serious than the campy Burton movies.

Forever just made things worse. I remember before BF came out reading a comic that dove into Two-Face’s past and thinking how dark and violent that shit was for a comic. And then I read Dark Knight, Dark City which featured the Riddler dressed in a suit and seriously putting the screws to Batman. It was an awesome little story that to me showed the potential the Riddler had.

Literally none of it was in BF.
 
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It's pretty weird, but also one of the most visually interesting movies ever. As far as story and characters it's like they took the camp from 60s Batman and put a 90s emo spin on it. Most of the acting is unbearable though, especially when Valium Kilmer and Chris O'Donnell interact. Seeing Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones trying to out-goof eachother is also really strange.
The visuals and usage of colors in Batman Forever is definitely something that should have been applauded but for some reason it is widely avoided in the making of today's comic book cinema. I would visually love to see a Dr. Strange movie in this style.

Also, it's weird how Batman Forever and Batman and Robin are always attached at the hip in people's minds when the movies are definitely different in multiple ways. The public opinion of B&R always drags down BF with it. I can't think of any other Franchise where this is a thing. It sucks because you don't see people dragging Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 1 for Secret of the Ooze's amount of bullshit, or dragging MK 1 because Annihilation was trash. However they do it with these two Batman movies because they share a too similar visual DNA.
 

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The visuals and usage of colors in Batman Forever is definitely something that should have been applauded but for some reason it is widely avoided in the making of today's comic book cinema. I would visually love to see a Dr. Strange movie in this style.
I really need to buy these on 4K Blu-Ray when I get get a player. Forever and B&R should look great with HDR because they are so colorful.
 
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The visuals and usage of colors in Batman Forever is definitely something that should have been applauded but for some reason it is widely avoided in the making of today's comic book cinema. I would visually love to see a Dr. Strange movie in this style
The only other films I think have that sort of aesthetic were Dick Tracy and Punisher War Zone.
 
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It's okay. I'd rather rewatch it than Nolan shite. But I don't think it deserves a reappraisal. Batman Returns does.
 
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