JRE: When did SJW culture start? ( and discussion on it's current/future state)

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There's a lot of truth to what SJWs say, but there's also a lot of extremes. They want to make massive changes in society, but they want the changes to happen now. It's not going to happen. People don't like change and when you continue to drag them to where you want them to go, they'll eventually pull back.
Yup. Change is gradual. There will always be some form of pushback but if you try to force change the pushback will be just as extreme.

I am all for social justice and consider myself an advocate for change but I don't like the current culture around how that change should be implemented.
 
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There's a lot of truth to what SJWs say, but there's also a lot of extremes. They want to make massive changes in society, but they want the changes to happen now. It's not going to happen. People don't like change and when you continue to drag them to where you want them to go, they'll eventually pull back.
yes, agreed. but also, like you say, it can come off too extreme and be isolating to those who have similar viewpoints

which is actually discussed in the video.

theres some neat topics covered, should check out the video if you have a chance.
 
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Twitter, Facebook and Youtube. Most Twitter. And media sites having to get even more clickbait histories. So they printscreen twittes and run outrage articles. This created self perpetuating cycle.
 

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There's a lot of truth to what SJWs say, but there's also a lot of extremes. They want to make massive changes in society, but they want the changes to happen now. It's not going to happen. People don't like change and when you continue to drag them to where you want them to go, they'll eventually pull back.
All radical movements end with a reactionary rubber band swing back the other direction.

The extremist SJW leadership folks had better hope that they don't end up like Maximilien Robespierre once they turn on too many of their former allies.
 
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It's not a culture war. It's just the latest iteration of puritanism scrubbed of any traditional religious underpinnings this time around.

If you need my help, reach out a hand. However, please don't preach that me and my sons are evil just because we were born as males, and don't instruct us on how we are "supposed" to behave as men, and don't sanitize the world for the sake of your sensitivities.
 

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Social justice has been around forever but in relation to it permeating into online culture I feel like Gamergate was the inflection point.
 
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It has been going on for decades. For as long as people in power have realized you can utilize "victim hood" to your advantage to win support. Once Obama got into office, it exploded from there. Regardless of what you think about "some of the feminist opinions aren't completely wrong" every single group of people have "issues" they face. The extreme left has no intent of listening to any problems of white males, and no intent of fixing any issues of their platform. It's all a disgusting game to them to keep the dependence going.
 
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I never meet SJWs like I always read about. Not once during undergrad or my master's program or IRL did I ever meet someone who pushed some crazy left wing views like I read about on Reddit or as people often claim. I do know and have met people who complain about SJWs and they do so often. These are mostly whining toxic white men. I think the term 'SJW' is a nebulous term which people often use to espouse their questionable beliefs and play the victim. They want to rage at change of any kind.
 
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I never meet SJWs like I always read about. Not once during undergrad or my master's program or IRL did I ever meet someone who pushed some crazy left wing views like I read about on Reddit or as people often claim. I do know and have met people who complain about SJWs and they do so often. These are mostly whining toxic white men. I think the term 'SJW' is a nebulous term which people often use to espouse their questionable beliefs and play the victim. They want to rage at change of any kind.
Are you contradicting their lived experience?

Because the "I've never encountered..." rationale is an equally nebulous counterargument.
 
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Are you contradicting their lived experience?

Because the "I've never encountered..." rationale is an equally nebulous counterargument.
Yes. I constantly hear about SJWs everywhere so where are they? Some tweet created to induce outrage is not a SJW. Where are all these "feminazis" and evil "game journalists" who supposedly hate gamers? When I ask for evidence it's always very weak at best.

The point is there are very few so-called 'SJWs'. Like I previously mentioned it's a nebulous term used by those who want to diminish the good deeds of normal people in an effort to prevent change.
 
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Yes. I constantly hear about SJWs everywhere so where are they? Some tweet created to induce outrage is not a SJW. Where are all these "feminazis" and evil "game journalists" who supposedly hate gamers? When I ask for evidence it's always very weak at best.

The point is there are very few so-called 'SJWs'. Like I previously mentioned it's a nebulous term used by those who want to diminish the good deeds of normal people in an effort to prevent change.
How few?

Since you already believe to know the motives of the people using the term, please aim your clairvoyance at them and count 'em for the rest of us.
 
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Yes. I constantly hear about SJWs everywhere so where are they? Some tweet created to induce outrage is not a SJW. Where are all these "feminazis" and evil "game journalists" who supposedly hate gamers? When I ask for evidence it's always very weak at best.

The point is there are very few so-called 'SJWs'. Like I previously mentioned it's a nebulous term used by those who want to diminish the good deeds of normal people in an effort to prevent change.
 
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How few?

Since you already believe to know the motives of the people using the term, please aim your clairvoyance at them and count 'em for the rest of us.
It's all anecdotally of course. Does it not seem odd the number of times you hear about "SJWs" does not correlate with personal experiences? They should be everywhere. This is what Rogan's guest touches on about it not being that pervasive as many believe it to be.
 
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It's all anecdotally of course. Does it not seem odd the number of times you hear about "SJWs" does not correlate with personal experiences? They should be everywhere. This is what Rogan's guest touches on about it not being that pervasive as many believe it to be.
I don't base my conclusions on what I personally experience.

I'm a shut-in who works on the internet 10+ hours a day. I assume my personal experience is 90% fake news, as a result.
 
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SJW is a rhetorical caricature used to strawman the call to criticize and change the oppressive elements in our culture, and to give a voice to people historically marginalized.

"We all have issues" is an inelegant response to someone speaking to a specific injustice because it basically discards that viewpoint as invalid.
 
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SJW is a rhetorical caricature used to strawman the call to criticize and change the oppressive elements in our culture, and to give a voice to people historically marginalized.

"We all have issues" is an inelegant response to someone speaking to a specific injustice because it basically discards that viewpoint as invalid.
Fractions have been using loopholes/ambiguity in the constitution to advance their agenda throughout history. Leave the pretense about virtue and justice out of it because you are just using these buzzwords as vehicles to buttress your weak arguments. You want to talk about truly oppressed and marginalized people? What about fat people, ugly people, short people? These are even more oppressed and historically marginalized groups than lgbt/gays. Where is the advocacy for them?

You probably don't think they are oppressed because you don't really care about oppression, just simply advancing an agenda that you think is worthy. The problem with this type of logic is it never solves anything and just creates worst consequences down the road without proper planning and anticipating problems.

Admit that your side(liberal/progressive) only care about changing social norms using very dishonest means like shutting down opposing views. That is what is causing the divide in discourse, your side simply does not want to hear the other side.
 
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WTF? Did schools stop teaching history? Although the regression has steadily gained steam since being pushed down the slippery slope, the starting point is well known. It all started the day when the soccer moms first won the right to give kids participation trophies for losing in sports.
 

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Yes. I constantly hear about SJWs everywhere so where are they? Some tweet created to induce outrage is not a SJW. Where are all these "feminazis" and evil "game journalists" who supposedly hate gamers? When I ask for evidence it's always very weak at best.

The point is there are very few so-called 'SJWs'. Like I previously mentioned it's a nebulous term used by those who want to diminish the good deeds of normal people in an effort to prevent change.
This is one of the reasons we need a "funny" button, not just a like button. Wait, this is supposed to be sarcasm, right?
 
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I don't base my conclusions on what I personally experience.

I'm a shut-in who works on the internet 10+ hours a day. I assume my personal experience is 90% fake news, as a result.
My job is research. SJW is something that can't be measured....at least I can't think of how it could even be collected and/or analyzed. Almost no one calls themselves a SJW. The term is only used by those who disagree with social change and in my experience toxic people who also tend to be a vocal minority. Martin Luther King would have been called a SJW. He's a hero, role model, and has a holiday named after him.

It just rubs me the wrong way to hear people throw the term SJW around when it's hard to quantify and is based on greatly exaggerated generalizations.

What about fat people, ugly people, short people? These are even more oppressed and historically marginalized groups than lgbt/gays. Where is the advocacy for them?
There were laws against being fat, ugly, and short? I didn't know you could be locked up for that. Good thing the military repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell so those ugly people can now be themselves in the military. And thank goodness these victims of weight and genetics can now get married and use the same federal benefits.

No one is shutting down your views as silly as them may be.
 
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Fractions have been using loopholes/ambiguity in the constitution to advance their agenda throughout history. Leave the pretense about virtue and justice out of it because you are just using these buzzwords as vehicles to buttress your weak arguments. You want to talk about truly oppressed and marginalized people? What about fat people, ugly people, short people? These are even more oppressed and historically marginalized groups than lgbt/gays. Where is the advocacy for them?

You probably don't think they are oppressed because you don't really care about oppression, just simply advancing an agenda that you think is worthy. The problem with this type of logic is it never solves anything and just creates worst consequences down the road without proper planning and anticipating problems.

Admit that your side(liberal/progressive) only care about changing social norms using very dishonest means like shutting down opposing views. That is what is causing the divide in discourse, your side simply does not want to hear the other side.
This is a shining example of the point I am making. This was a reactionary response to a stawman of what you think my position - and myself - to be. I didn't specify any subjects, and certainly didn't define any omissions, and yet you derived an entire umbrella of what I care about and what I don't from two paragraphs.

(Ironically, "SJWs" would be the most vocal group against body shaming.)
 
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My job is research. SJW is something that can't be measured....at least I can't think of how it could even be collected and/or analyzed. Almost no one calls themselves a SJW. The term is only used by those who disagree with social change and in my experience toxic people who also tend to be a vocal minority. Martin Luther King would have been called a SJW. He's a hero, role model, and has a holiday named after him.

It just rubs me the wrong way to hear people throw the term SJW around when it's hard to quantify and is based on greatly exaggerated generalizations..
You seem to be greatly exaggerating and generalizing when it comes to your own argument. I'm simply curious how you can complain about "nebulous terms" and then turn around and pin the crux of your standpoint on nebulous terms. MLK Jr would've been called an SJW? Goodness.

As a researcher, you should be sensitive to making "unfalsifiable claims", yet here you are, preaching at us and telling us what those people who use SJW really think about everything.
 
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My job is research. SJW is something that can't be measured....at least I can't think of how it could even be collected and/or analyzed. Almost no one calls themselves a SJW. The term is only used by those who disagree with social change and in my experience toxic people who also tend to be a vocal minority. Martin Luther King would have been called a SJW. He's a hero, role model, and has a holiday named after him.

It just rubs me the wrong way to hear people throw the term SJW around when it's hard to quantify and is based on greatly exaggerated generalizations.



There were laws against being fat, ugly, and short? I didn't know you could be locked up for that. Good thing the military repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell so those ugly people can now be themselves in the military. And thank goodness these victims of weight and genetics can now get married and use the same federal benefits.

No one is shutting down your views as silly as them may be.
If you are a researcher but can't conceptualize and operationalize something so apparent as SJW, then I have to question where you acquire your training.

There are explicit laws against fat people, ugly and short, as well as implicit laws if you want to be honest about it. Fat and short people can't join the military. Ugly people can't get certain jobs. Last I know, lgbt/gay people can blend/fit in, can't do that when your immunity characteristics prevent you. Be honest, stop supporting your cause and be blinded to all the other problems around you.
 
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feel like this is an important historical marker. i remember this playing over and over on Comedy Central for a while. lol funny enough, this trailer uses the dive into a parting crowd joke that would be rehashed 20 years later in the Ghostbusters reboot.

PCU is a 1994 American comedy film written by Adam Leff and Zak Penn and directed by Hart Bochner about college life at the fictional Port Chester University, and represents "an exaggerated view of contemporary college life...."[3] The film is based on the experiences of Leff and Penn at Eclectic Society at Wesleyan University in Middletown, Connecticut.

Preppy pre-freshman (pre-frosh) Tom Lawrence (Chris Young) visits PCU (Port Chester University), a college where fraternities have been outlawed and political correctness is rampant on campus. During his visit, accident-prone Tom manages to make enemies with nearly every group of students, and thus spends much of his visit evading the growing mob upset with him.
 
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My job is research. SJW is something that can't be measured....at least I can't think of how it could even be collected and/or analyzed. Almost no one calls themselves a SJW. The term is only used by those who disagree with social change and in my experience toxic people who also tend to be a vocal minority. Martin Luther King would have been called a SJW. He's a hero, role model, and has a holiday named after him.

It just rubs me the wrong way to hear people throw the term SJW around when it's hard to quantify and is based on greatly exaggerated generalizations.
You mentioned, in another post, game journalists, it's very easy to find journalists who hate gamers I don't think it's that hard to do. Just a few days ago you had the whole thing with "Ellie" in overwatch and dozens of articles saying that gamers are extremely toxic.

Also admitting that SJW is hard to measure and then go on to say that these people don't exist just doesn't make much sense. It's not a very defined term in the first place.

MLK would not have been called a SJW, activism and SJW are not really the same thing.


There were laws against being fat, ugly, and short? I didn't know you could be locked up for that. Good thing the military repealed Don't Ask Don't Tell so those ugly people can now be themselves in the military. And thank goodness these victims of weight and genetics can now get married and use the same federal benefits.

No one is shutting down your views as silly as them may be.

There are no laws against being gay or black either in modern societies. Does that mean that homophobia and racism have been completely eradicated?
His point is that people are discriminated about characteristics they have no control over (Being short, or ugly, or polish) all the time, and no one really gives a shit, I've never seen political activism advocating for ugly people, never seen feminists advocating for short people, you get my point, the social justice thing is only brought up whenever it suits these people, they don't really care about discrimination, the term SJW serves mostly to point out their hypocrisy whenever they claim moral superiority.

So go on complaining about "whining toxic white men", without realizing the hypocrisy of the statement.
 
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The issue with SJW/NPC is that none of their ideas are original. Everything they propose has been done before, in fact their ideas are regressive. Also, they are bullies and very intolerant.

SJWs have always been around, in virtually every country, it’s just the west that seems tolerate and accept their bullshit, hence their proliferation.
 

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I sort of liked the "old" left, socialists and commies. They were wrong about a lot, but they were fun to have a beer with. They were genuinely counter-cultural and interesting. I met a ton of them in PhD studies, and made some lifelong friends.

One of the most funny parts of the current "identity" based leftists is how they LARP as anti-establishment, while they have become the staunchest beneficiaries and allies of globalism and corporations. As long as they can get concessions for their chosen "identity" group from neo-liberals and consumer goods/entertainment companies, they are happy to swallow the Soma. But they still think they are "dissidents." The actual dissidents are the alt-right people or others who are actually driven from respectable society for the crime of wrongthink.
 
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WTF? Did schools stop teaching history? Although the regression has steadily gained steam since being pushed down the slippery slope, the starting point is well known. It all started the day when the soccer moms first won the right to give kids participation trophies for losing in sports.
History is cherry picked by the (compulsive) education Couchindoctrinationchoug system. This started long before 2014 in my opinion. I think it is centered in education though and has been talked about for a long time. RIP John Taylor Gato.
 
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History is cherry picked by the (compulsive) education Couchindoctrinationchoug system. This started long before 2014 in my opinion. I think it is centered in education though and has been talked about for a long time. RIP John Taylor Gato.
It did start long before 2014. It just didn't reach the current velocity on the slippery slope heading towards eroding the 1st amendment via corporate punishment until lately. Many of us are old enough to remember seeing the sudden shift towards valuing feelings over anything else that started decades ago. I was not kidding with the participation trophies in sports being a sign of things to come.
 
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If you are a researcher but can't conceptualize and operationalize something so apparent as SJW, then I have to question where you acquire your training.
How would you capture data like this to be measured? No one calls themselves a SJW. Someone like you might call anyone advocating for someone else a SJW. A study like this would bring biases in especially with loaded terms like SJW. How the hell do you collect enough data on this to run analysis?
 
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If you get your jimmies rustled over a term like SJW you are probably someone who takes social justice and other things far too seriously. Hence you are one.
I have always found the NPC meme funny because it really is apt. The "manufactured crisis" and "fact check" mantra that occurred around that Trump speech this week was an excellent example. We had people on the news, social media, and even here repeating these buzzwords in unison. We used to get banned here for calling that a hive mind but it was a very obvious and observable behavior.
 
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I sort of liked the "old" left, socialists and commies. They were wrong about a lot, but they were fun to have a beer with. They were genuinely counter-cultural and interesting. I met a ton of them in PhD studies, and made some lifelong friends.

One of the most funny parts of the current "identity" based leftists is how they LARP as anti-establishment, while they have become the staunchest beneficiaries and allies of globalism and corporations. As long as they can get concessions for their chosen "identity" group from neo-liberals and consumer goods/entertainment companies, they are happy to swallow the Soma. But they still think they are "dissidents." The actual dissidents are the alt-right people or others who are actually driven from respectable society for the crime of wrongthink.
Absolutely. The old left believed in class, bourgeoisie vs proletariat. The new left is all about identity politics bullshit. Due to identity politics, a bourgeoisie can claim to be a proletariat, for example, Blu Ivy or Obama kids will receive affirmative action despite having all the money, resources, privileges, power and influence. Absolutely ridiculous. Karl Marx would be pissed.
 
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You mentioned, in another post, game journalists, it's very easy to find journalists who hate gamers I don't think it's that hard to do. Just a few days ago you had the whole thing with "Ellie" in overwatch and dozens of articles saying that gamers are extremely toxic.
Many gamers are toxic.

Also admitting that SJW is hard to measure and then go on to say that these people don't exist just doesn't make much sense. It's not a very defined term in the first place.
Not sure how this is confusing for you.

MLK would not have been called a SJW, activism and SJW are not really the same thing.
That is exactly what Wikipedia says it is. Social justice warrior (SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially progressive views, including feminism, civil rights, and multiculturalism, as well as identity politics.

There are no laws against being gay or black either in modern societies. Does that mean that homophobia and racism have been completely eradicated?
His point is that people are discriminated about characteristics they have no control over (Being short, or ugly, or polish) all the time, and no one really gives a shit,
People are discriminated about characteristics they have no control over like being gay or black? Gay marriage has only been a thing for how many years? How many states want to prevent gay couples from adopting? Come on dude.

I've never seen political activism advocating for ugly people, never seen feminists advocating for short people, you get my point, the social justice thing is only brought up whenever it suits these people, they don't really care about discrimination, the term SJW serves mostly to point out their hypocrisy whenever they claim moral superiority.
Whataboutism much? Feminists advocate for female rights. They don't call themselves social justice warriors or call their cause a "social justice thing" or bring it up when it suits them. People like you do that and then you conflate issues. Feminists don't claim moral superiority. They advocate for equality for females. How does feminists not advocating for ugly people make any fucking difference? They don't really care about discrimination? So by your logic if you have a cause it's not really something you care about unless you take up every other cause.

This is the single dumbest thing I have read on here in a while. My brain need a break.

If you want to stick up for equal rights for ugly people please go do it. No one is stopping you. I can guarantee you no feminists will stand in your way.
 
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Many gamers are toxic.
Many women are sexist, many black people are racist, these blank statements mean nothing, the point is game journalist don't say "a miniscule percentage of gamer are toxic" they say "gaming communities are extremely toxic", which implies it's a majority of the communities, when this is absolutely wrong.

Not sure how this is confusing for you.
I don't know how to identify a group of people - Therefore this group doesn't exist. This is the logic you're applying here, that's what I thing it doesn't make sense.


That doesn't mean all activist are SJW does it?


People are discriminated about characteristics they have no control over like being gay or black? Gay marriage has only been a thing for how many years? How many states want to prevent gay couples from adopting? Come on dude.
Yes? That doesn't mean discrimination only exists against black people or gay people.

Whataboutism much? Feminists advocate for female rights. They don't call themselves social justice warriors or call their cause a "social justice thing" or bring it up when it suits them. People like you do that and then you conflate issues. Feminists don't claim moral superiority. They advocate for equality for females. How does feminists not advocating for ugly people make any fucking difference? They don't really care about discrimination? So by your logic if you have a cause it's not really something you care about unless you take up every other cause.

This is the single dumbest thing I have read on here in a while. My brain need a break.

If you want to stick up for equal rights for ugly people please go do it. No one is stopping you. I can guarantee you no feminists will stand in your way.
I gave two examples, one of SJW in general another of feminists, glad you chose to focus on one that suits your argument, I think you understood my point. Again not all feminists are sjw.
I'll reiterate, SJW in general are only concerned with whatever happens to suit them, they don't care about discrimination, only some discrimination, which I personalty call hypocrisy . They're fine with discriminating against people they don't like.


Plenty of feminists are against mens equal rights, do you support them in that?
 
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The Rock slams snowflakes as 'looking for reasons to be offended' -The Daily Star

He said: “I don’t have to agree with what somebody thinks, who they vote for, what they voted for, what they think, but I will back their right to say or believe it.

“That’s democracy.

“So many good people fought for freedom and equality - but this generation are looking for a reason to be offended.

“If you are not agreeing with them then they are offended - and that is not what so many great men and women fought for.”
“We thankfully now live in a world that has progressed over the last 30 or 40 years,” said the 46-year-old beefcake.

“People can be who they want, be with who they want, and live how they want.

“That can only be a good thing – but generation snowflake or, whatever you want to call them, are actually putting us backwards.”
I wholeheartedly agree with the man.
 
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I sort of liked the "old" left, socialists and commies. They were wrong about a lot, but they were fun to have a beer with. They were genuinely counter-cultural and interesting. I met a ton of them in PhD studies, and made some lifelong friends.

One of the most funny parts of the current "identity" based leftists is how they LARP as anti-establishment, while they have become the staunchest beneficiaries and allies of globalism and corporations. As long as they can get concessions for their chosen "identity" group from neo-liberals and consumer goods/entertainment companies, they are happy to swallow the Soma. But they still think they are "dissidents." The actual dissidents are the alt-right people or others who are actually driven from respectable society for the crime of wrongthink.
Absolutely. The old left believed in class, bourgeoisie vs proletariat. The new left is all about identity politics bullshit. Due to identity politics, a bourgeoisie can claim to be a proletariat, for example, Blu Ivy or Obama kids will receive affirmative action despite having all the money, resources, privileges, power and influence. Absolutely ridiculous. Karl Marx would be pissed.
when was the last time you actually talked to a graduate student in politics?
isn't DSA membership at an all time high among youth
 

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They seem to have hit the gaming industry hard. I chalk that up to a lot of losers traditionally playing video games and those same losers are the types to virtue signal as a way of fitting in with the online crowds
 

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Not all people who support egalitarianism and the ideas of equality of opportunity are social justice warriors.

Anyone who uses the words "male", "white", "cis", or "free speech" in any combination as a pejorative is a social justice warrior.
 
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Many gamers are toxic.



Not sure how this is confusing for you.



That is exactly what Wikipedia says it is. Social justice warrior (SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially progressive views, including feminism, civil rights, and multiculturalism, as well as identity politics.



People are discriminated about characteristics they have no control over like being gay or black? Gay marriage has only been a thing for how many years? How many states want to prevent gay couples from adopting? Come on dude.



Whataboutism much? Feminists advocate for female rights. They don't call themselves social justice warriors or call their cause a "social justice thing" or bring it up when it suits them. People like you do that and then you conflate issues. Feminists don't claim moral superiority. They advocate for equality for females. How does feminists not advocating for ugly people make any fucking difference? They don't really care about discrimination? So by your logic if you have a cause it's not really something you care about unless you take up every other cause.

This is the single dumbest thing I have read on here in a while. My brain need a break.

If you want to stick up for equal rights for ugly people please go do it. No one is stopping you. I can guarantee you no feminists will stand in your way.
They're using SJW as some sort of slang and not by the actual definition which is HILARIOUS because people hate when minorities do that kinda shit! They not hearing you man.
 
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Yes. I constantly hear about SJWs everywhere so where are they? Some tweet created to induce outrage is not a SJW. Where are all these "feminazis" and evil "game journalists" who supposedly hate gamers? When I ask for evidence it's always very weak at best.
I posted this before. No one has taken me up on the challenge:

Please name me anyone working at a website that is featured on Metacritic who is openly conservative, or libertarian, or classically liberal (especially when it comes to being critical of censorship, deplatforming, removal of sexuality, and other ways of people acting like the morality police) as those political labels relate to US politics. Which twitter profile of an employed modern video game journalist can I look at to find any of this?

The point is there are very few so-called 'SJWs'. Like I previously mentioned it's a nebulous term used by those who want to diminish the good deeds of normal people in an effort to prevent change.
You can't say extremes in a group are very few when you can't find any examples of someone speaking out against those extremes. I can find police officers who express concerns over specific examples of police brutality, how another officer handled a given situation, and the general existence of profiling. I can find conservatives denouncing racism, expressing their distaste for the alt-right, and being supportive of LGBT individuals. I can find liberal politicians, including Barack Obama, who say people shouldn't be deplatformed just because you don't like what they have to say. But I can't find any game journalists who stand up and say "some of us are acting like it's our appointed duty to be the morality police, shaming and silencing and judging those who disagree with our opinions, and that's not a good thing."

But I agree that SJW is a nebulous term, and that's why I don't use it either. It's a needless pejorative that harms debate. I prefer much more objective parameters when debating things like this, such as the above.
 
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They seem to have hit the gaming industry hard. I chalk that up to a lot of losers traditionally playing video games and those same losers are the types to virtue signal as a way of fitting in with the online crowds
They hit gaming because it is the new playground. Its where the kids are, and because its niche with adults. Same with comics and cartoons. Throw ideology at the kids as early and often as possible, and it is more likely to stick. Its been the big play for ideologues essentially for ever.
 
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feel like this is an important historical marker. i remember this playing over and over on Comedy Central for a while. lol funny enough, this trailer uses the dive into a parting crowd joke that would be rehashed 20 years later in the Ghostbusters reboot.
Awesome post lol.

Yeah I think this stuff goes back a lot farther than many suspect. Christina Hoff Sommers charts it back to the 90s pretty convincingly. In gaming it started to become noticeable around 2010-2011 at the earliest, mostly at Kotaku.
 
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I think you can trace the modern SJW movement back to 2011, the era of "slut walks", "die cis scum" and especially Occupy Wall Street, I feel OWS especially was ground zero for a lot of this.

The following year in 2012 you had Anita Sarkeesian's Kickstarter, which also single handedly kickstarted a lot of it.

But it all really exploded and reached critical mass in 2014 with Gamergate.
 
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“They’re just fighting for rights!!”

“Ok, which rights don’t they have?”

*radio silence*

The truth is that every person in most Western countries has equal rights. What social justice ideologues are screeching for is additional rights that other people don’t have. That makes them privileges, but they’ve co-opted and redefined that word too.

It’s also convenient that gender-based responsibilities are never brought up in the discussion of women’s rights (see: privileges). Next time there’s a major world war and the draft needs to be enforced again, I guarantee we won’t hear a peep out of feminists about eQuAl RiGhTs.
 

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I started noticing this behavior online around 2010, on this forum in particular on Jul 22, 2010. I eventually saw examples in the mainstream media and real life in the coming years.
 
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Yup. Change is gradual. There will always be some form of pushback but if you try to force change the pushback will be just as extreme.

I am all for social justice and consider myself an advocate for change but I don't like the current culture around how that change should be implemented.
There is a gulf of difference between social justice/activist and SJWs. One actually wants to change the world of the better, the other is a self-centered, egotistical child who cannot defend their points and are only doing it to be on a "high horse" so to speak.
 

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Are SJW only left leaning?

Cos the right have been pushing identity politics for decades upon decades upon decades.

Apparently, I'm supposed to be outraged by trans people, just like I was supposed to be outraged by gay people, women and black people.