Isaac Otherworld
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Multiple people are saying this, but where did he or wikileaks say that?
I know that Alex Jones and other far right sights took the Podesta emails and pushed Pizzagate, but I don't remember Assange himself doing so?
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Julian Assange: Wikileaks emails were not from Russia
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Multiple people are saying this, but where did he or wikileaks say that?
I know that Alex Jones and other far right sights took the Podesta emails and pushed Pizzagate, but I don't remember Assange himself doing so?
FreedomFighter
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No one is trying to hear that they're not from Russia. I think they were leaked from inside but it doesn't even matter. We got to see the rotten inner-workings of the Clinton campaign and DNC. So long as there wasn't outright vote hacking (which I doubt), I don't see what's so wrong about transparency and learning what happened behind the scenes.
I think people are just moreso mad that Hilldog lost and coping with those sour grapes is better when it came be directing vitriol to Russia. So let's just let people have that.
I think people are just moreso mad that Hilldog lost and coping with those sour grapes is better when it came be directing vitriol to Russia. So let's just let people have that.
His charges are pending. Sweden's justice system is slightly different than most western countries, and requires a formal final interview before charges are filed. As soon as that interview occurs he is going to be charged. Multiple courts have ruled this to be the case, hence why they approved the arrest warrant and granted extradition so he could face those charges and the resulting trial.
I know you're Swedish so you should really know better. No, those extraditions were not legal. Yet they happened. The PM even admitted the only reason they did it was because of massive pressure from the US government. These aren't things in contention by anyone.
And i already said that i do think the case is way too public for the Swedish government to fold. But no one sane would stake their own life on it. Much easier to stake other peoples life on it, especially if it's someone you don't like.
You don't see what's wrong with a foreign agency influencing our democratic process?
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Whether they are paid state actors is irrelevant to me. What would be relevant is whether the information state actors or otherwise are providing is true. If it's made up crap then, yeah that's lame.
But if it's all true and those are real leaks then why not. Govt got its hands up every member of the public collective asses when it comes to data access. We get a brief peak up the DNCs skirt and we're crying now?
This maybe idealistic but I'm an advocate of information freedom that goes both ways. Full transparency, excluding the military and secret branches of data and info.
Means fuck ups like this can't even begin to happen.
So you're willing to overlook the source of the information because of what it contained? Lol.
Herr Schwarz
Banned
Yes. Like I said, I can watch news on Fox whilst also realising they are right wing shills. I watched the . debates on fox for example.
If the info is pure then it its all good. What people fear is the spin.
Perhaps Assange can explain how WikiLeaks ended up with 90GB of documents from the German parliament's investigative committee into the NSA spying scandal, documents German intelligence have concluded with 'high plausibility' were obtained during a hack of the German parliament by the Russian group Fancy Bear in 2014-2015.
Did that come from someone within the DNC, too?
Did that come from someone within the DNC, too?
Definitely willing to overlook asymmetrical targeting of political parties to undermine one and benefit another.
The problem with wikileaks is that they have shown many times that they're not an impartial actor on the sideline that will leak stuff for the sake of openess and information freedom. Even a quick glance at their twitter account shows that they're biased, smug and vindicative. How can you trust them to not cherry-pick what they leak to try to influence public opinion in a specific way?
you know what kind of people are questioning it. same kind flooding every gaf thread with little used accounts now suddenly obsessesd with the fact that these reports "aren't unanimous" and "cant be trusted" and "wheres the receipts?"
Herr Schwarz
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bias, smug? vindictive? I thought we were talking about wikileaks, not fox news! heyooo
They lost their shit over Ukraine winning the freaking Eurovision song contest. I'd also add childish.
jack_package_200
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They were technically legal. The government insisted that they had solid assurances from Egypt that they wouldn't be tortured, which is obviously laughable but still within the bounds of law.
The government and its ministers received severe criticism for their actions but no one was charged with any crime. This would not be the case if we extradite Assange for espionage, that would be a breach of the treaty and law - which specifically forbids extradition for political crimes - that's simply not something you can work yourself around.
I'm not the only saying this, legal experts agree. Here's one:
http://palwrange.blogspot.se/2016/09/assange-igen.html?m=1
That post comes with the bonus of pointing out that Assange's risk of getting extradited doesn't increase if he leaves for Sweden. It's even greater in the UK, or arguably in most countries in the world, since the Swedish extradition treaty is unusually strict. Unless he plans to hide in that embassy for the rest of the his life, the risk won't go away. There's absolutely no defensible reason for him to keep avoiding to stand trial.
KernelPanic
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WikiLeaks has extensive experience in determining what's authentically from Russia
Tallshortman
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Shameless assange aligning with the right now. Lmao an interview with hannity.
RustyNails
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FreedomFighter
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To bitch about it would make me a raging hypocrite, being a US citizen. You know, glass houses and all that. If that's what even really happened to begin with (I never take "officials say" word for anything).
hydragonwarrior
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Lol Assange gives no shits who is in charge of the U.S. government. Hillary or Trump, he just wanted to influence it.
You realize that you've painted yourself into a corner where there is no valid information whatsoever. You discount the intelligence community absolutely, yet lap up whatever Wikileaks puts out. Where do you get your analysis from, or do you handle that personally?
Isaac Otherworld
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No one has a link to Assange pushing the Pizzagate conspiracy theory?
Slurpy2k20
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Yeah, because as we've seen Assange is a stand-up guy, completely objective, and wouldn't lie his ass off. Oh, and good for him that he's on Hannity's show. Hannity would consider him a traitor worthy of being hanged, except for the fact that he fucked over Hillary and helped his BFF win.
Amazing
Psychoward
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post-truth
So I suppose it would also be hypocritical for US citizens to get upset if they were drone striked? WTF kind of argument is this? It's not hypocritical to disagree with actions your country have done while being upset about what another country has done to yours. Jesus Christ.
Who needs sources when you have feelings?
Psychoward
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and this, lmfao
just because you're a U.S. citizen doesn't mean you support all U.S. interventions
The Albatross
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Well, I know we're all saying "surejan" and jlaw-okay.gif and stuff, but the CIA information that NBC News broke yesterday and reported by NPR said the same thing.
According to the NBC News story from early yesterday morning, Wikileaks got their information from independent hackers within Russia. And then the Russian government got involved in promoting the information and creating disinformation. And then again Putin, allegedly, became personally involved. But those initial leaks were not by "The Russians," but by "Russians," as the person who broke the story from NBC News put it on Morning Edition (NPR) yesterday.
http://www.npr.org/2016/12/15/50565...nvolved-in-u-s-election-hack-nbc-news-reports
This would seem to corroborate what Assange is saying, and this is from the editorial team who broke the story. So, Assange is (likely) technically right: the leaks did not come from "The Russians" but from "Russians" and it was "the Russians" (Putin & the Kremlin) who weaponoized the information to undermine US elections.
But of course we all know that being "technically" right is the best kind of being right."
According to the NBC News story from early yesterday morning, Wikileaks got their information from independent hackers within Russia. And then the Russian government got involved in promoting the information and creating disinformation. And then again Putin, allegedly, became personally involved. But those initial leaks were not by "The Russians," but by "Russians," as the person who broke the story from NBC News put it on Morning Edition (NPR) yesterday.
http://www.npr.org/2016/12/15/50565...nvolved-in-u-s-election-hack-nbc-news-reports
This would seem to corroborate what Assange is saying, and this is from the editorial team who broke the story. So, Assange is (likely) technically right: the leaks did not come from "The Russians" but from "Russians" and it was "the Russians" (Putin & the Kremlin) who weaponoized the information to undermine US elections.
But of course we all know that being "technically" right is the best kind of being right."
Hell, we're pretty sure Guccifer 2.0 is the Russian government, or at least their intelligence agencies.
The Albatross
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Yes, Assange says this in the OP, but the leaks that Assange said did not come from the Russian government, the NBC News story that broke yesterday morning that we're basing virtually all of our knowledge about this on, say the same thing.
I updated my post w/ the interview with the editorial head of NBC News.
The Albatross
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I thought the exact same thing when I saw the headline. The contradiction and about face is stunning, but embarrassingly, not surprising at all.
It's utterly amazing the flip that the left and right have done on Assange. Worth noting that 5 years ago, here. Assange would have been heralded as an international hero with few people arguing otherwise.
BobbyRobby
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Do you distrust the FBI absolutely? Aren't they part of the intelligence community? You seem to have chosen to believe the CIA's word the FBI, which I don't have a problem with. Just don't jump down someone else's throat for being skeptical.
I don't follow their behavior on social media, but the wikileaks are true, dude. It would be cool if even a fraction of the energy spent excoriating users who want transparency was spent on taking the DNC to task for their wrongdoings. This doesn't make me hopeful that the left has learned their lesson at all.
I'm hoping the Bernie fraction of the party and others who care about transparency turn things around in the coming years so a strong candidate will be fielded against Trump.
And check my post history, dude. I've been praising wikileaks since the beginning, so I'm not a Russian spy/propagandist as you like to pop in and claim everyone is.
Morrigan Stark
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Ugh jesus.
That too? I thought these were just crazy redditors, not directly from Assange/Wikileaks. Holy shit :\
Any particular reason why you're dead-naming/misgendering Chelsea Manning?
Uh-huh...
Okay.
*researches*
Hey, looks like you are full of shit!
What, don't believe me? Well, prove me wrong.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Oh look, another poster who fell for the trap Russia created.
I will ask for receipts, and will be roundly ignored.
Why is it so many BernieBros are OK with Russia meddling in the Election?
Baron Aloha
A Shining Example
OK, I'll play along...
So Assange is a Russian puppet.
Wikileaks has shed light on a ton of shit that needs to have light shed on it. The DNC/Podesta emails were real. Everything else they have released has checked out.
So I ask you, at the end of the day, what difference does it actually make if Russia is behind him? So because the info came from Russia we shouldn't care about Gitmo procedures, murder of Iraqi civilians by our millitary, TPP, etc? Is that what you all are saying?
As for influencing the election - newsflash - our government has done that to other countries. I'm not happy about it but people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Now as to what I actually think on this topic...
On the one hand - we have the CIA saying it was Russia - the same CIA that lied to us about WMD, lied about torture, killing civilians, and a bunch of other shit. And on the other hand we have Assange/Wikileaks - who has been exposing the CIA and other government agencies for their lies. Add to that the fact that no one, to my knowledge, has been able to discredit anything released by Wikileaks up to this point. This is after 10 years and tens of thousands of leaks. Based on that, at this point, I'm inclined to believe him. The simplest explanation is that the leak came from within the DNC itself.
yup
So Assange is a Russian puppet.
Wikileaks has shed light on a ton of shit that needs to have light shed on it. The DNC/Podesta emails were real. Everything else they have released has checked out.
So I ask you, at the end of the day, what difference does it actually make if Russia is behind him? So because the info came from Russia we shouldn't care about Gitmo procedures, murder of Iraqi civilians by our millitary, TPP, etc? Is that what you all are saying?
As for influencing the election - newsflash - our government has done that to other countries. I'm not happy about it but people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Now as to what I actually think on this topic...
On the one hand - we have the CIA saying it was Russia - the same CIA that lied to us about WMD, lied about torture, killing civilians, and a bunch of other shit. And on the other hand we have Assange/Wikileaks - who has been exposing the CIA and other government agencies for their lies. Add to that the fact that no one, to my knowledge, has been able to discredit anything released by Wikileaks up to this point. This is after 10 years and tens of thousands of leaks. Based on that, at this point, I'm inclined to believe him. The simplest explanation is that the leak came from within the DNC itself.
yup
IamDodongo
Member
Assange has zero credibility these days
Takes some guts to ask people if they know what happened in Ukraine, only to go on and propagate this hilarious revisionist history. Embrace the post-facts world, folks, it's here to stay.
Not really. I think what most are saying it that wikileaks, at best, isn't an impartial actor leaking stuff purely for a sake of transparency and freedom of information. They clearly have an agenda.
The stuff they leak is real (as far as we know), but the effect of those leaks are often worse than the benefits. Like not redacting sensitive informations. Or let's take the DNC/Podesta emails. Almost all of it was benign stuff but the average person will just see the headline "DNC hacked emails..." and will think there's a huge scandal going on. It went on for weeks/months...
As far as I know, no one in this tread has influenced foreign elections so they're free to be pissed.
Is it really the simplest explanation? So what is it? A false flag or a Bernie-or-buster sabotaging the party?
Again, the fact that the documents they're leaking are real is irrelevant to the question of the origin of those documents and the goal of the leak.
tiredheadcrab
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Of course Assange wont accuse the people who pay him. How long has he had that talk show on RT? Or did that end?
Russia is the most convenient boogeyman ever and the "WMD" of late 2016. Let's talk about the why the DNC lost the el---HEY LOOK OVER THERE, aren't you scared of Russia? No? Please be afraid.
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Wake up Sheeple, your boring insistence that Obama is not a lizardman from Atlantis is wearing on my patience ð¤
Can we blame Russia on Brexit yet?
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