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[bee]

oh man stop quoting fudzilla and the inquirer they both talk absolute shite

Charlie Demerjian is a complete fanboy idiot, those benchmarks are so far off its not funny, 15750 in 3dmark 06 with a qx9650 and gtx 280 hahahah yeah right

not my system but here you go, q6600@3.2 and 8800gts 512 scores 15771 LINK

 

[godhandiscen]

oh man stop quoting fudzilla and the inquirer they both talk absolute shite

Charlie Demerjian is a complete fanboy idiot, those benchmarks are so far off its not funny, 15750 in 3dmark 06 with a qx9650 and gtx 280 hahahah yeah right

not my system but here you go, q6600@3.2 and 8800gts 512 scores 15771 LINK

I am just posting all the benchmarks I find. Not choosing between them to favor any card maker. Right now all freaking benchmarks point to the same thing. If I find one set of benchmarks that says that the GTX280 PWNS hard I will post it, but so far nothing.

edit:
Also, you have to realize that the 3DMark06 benchmarks are just shit, the only point of interest is Crysis imo. Also, the only game I really care about is Age of Conan and thats what I will use for my decision.

 

[godhandiscen]

dp

 

[bee]

I am just posting all the benchmarks I find. Not choosing between them to favor any card maker. Right now all freaking benchmarks point to the same thing. If I find one set of benchmarks that says that the GTX280 PWNS hard I will post it, but so far nothing.

edit:
Also, you have to realize that the 3DMark06 benchmarks are just shit, the only point of interest is Crysis imo. Also, the only game I really care about is Age of Conan and thats what I will use for my decision.

3dmark means shit to me also but in this case it totally proves hes just making shit up as always, my 1min on google proves his "benchmarks" are fake unless nvidia somehow made their new flagship next gen card slower than a 8800 gts/gtx/ultra, how likely do you think that is ?

 

[godhandiscen]

3dmark means shit to me also but in this case it totally proves hes just making shit up as always, my 1min on google proves his "benchmarks" are fake unless nvidia somehow made their new flagship next gen card slower than a 8800 gts/gtx/ultra, how likely do you think that is ?

I think its likely that a card that is geared fro DX10 from the go will do poorly in a DX9.0 benchmark. Yes, he is a fanboy and he most likely put the 3DMark 06 numbers there for FUD, but the fact the card scored so badly in that test doesn't mean squat. The 3DMark Vantage are a better indicator. Also, take in account he tested on a System with lower specs than the one you posted in the link. I cannot give evidence to support those numbers, but they seem to go on par with what everybody is saying right now.

 

[bee]

I think its likely that a card that is geared fro DX10 from the go will do poorly in a DX9.0 benchmark. Yes, he is a fanboy and he most likely put the 3DMark 06 numbers there for FUD, but the fact the card scored so badly in that test doesn't mean squat. The 3DMark Vantage are a better indicator. Also, take in account he tested on a System with lower specs than the one you posted in the link. I cannot give evidence to support those numbers, but they seem to go on par with what everybody is saying right now.

yeah cos the dx10 8800gtx did really poorly in dx9, there is no way it will score lower absolutely none, you honestly believe it will be slower than a 8800 in dx9????

he didn't "test" at all he simply made them up to get hits for his piss poor site and the specs of the 2 systems are totally comparable a stock qx9650 is faster than a q6600@3.2, no doubt

edit: heres a legit benchmark, gtx 280 tri sli

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/3-way_SLI_GTX_280_Scores_P21350_In_3DMark_Vantage/5866.html

and

 

[godhandiscen]

yeah cos the dx10 8800gtx did really poorly in dx9, there is no way it will score lower absolutely none, you honestly believe it will be slower than a 8800 in dx9????

he didn't "test" at all he simply made them up to get hits for his piss poor site and the specs of the 2 systems are totally comparable a stock qx9650 is faster than a q6600@3.2, no doubt

edit: heres a legit benchmark, gtx 280 tri sli

http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/3-way_SLI_GTX_280_Scores_P21350_In_3DMark_Vantage/5866.html

You realize the numbers you linked to only back up the Inquirer.net numbers huh? Thats 3 cards only achieving 21350 in the "P" category. The Inquirer numbers for an inferior system with only one card are 10500 in the "P" category. If one card gets you 10k in "P" while 3 cards get you 20k in "P", that sounds about right, and correct to what the Inquirer says. I don't see how your numbers help your point, they actually help to prove the Inquirer.net benchmarks.

Seriously, look at that resolution, 1024 lines is whats called "P" category. That resolution is laughable. A single 9800GTX2 offers you 13k in the "P" category.

 

[MaritalWheat]

Amazon has a listing up for a Diamond 4850 at $229.99 with free shipping; they don't call it a preorder but call it an out of stock (probably because their database thinks it was released June 6).

I went ahead and ordered one as a 'safety' order. I'm concerned about markups and shortages if demand goes through the roof for these.

Since these are supposedly all reference designs at launch I don't expect to see any real differences between vendors.

Going at $200 now, but it says "You're saving $40" under the price, so normal price is $240?

 

[godhandiscen]

Going at $200 now, but it says "You're save $40" under the price, so normal price is $240?

Yeah, fuck retailers. If the 4870X2 debuts at a $700 then I will wait for x-mas or something.

You see, this also proves what I've been saying. These cards are made for DX10 (GTX200 and 4800), and they under perform in a DirectX9.0 benchmark such as 3DMark06. again, I do not see how your data proves the Inquirer data incorrect, it only backs it up.

 

[Vic]

Looks like PowerColor jumped the gun and sold the 4850 in Hong Kong

 

[godhandiscen]

Looks like PowerColor jumped the gun and sold the 4850 in Hong Kong

Sucks for Powercolor, but good for the consumer. the card will be reaching $270 because of demand and performance.

 

[neoanarch]

Going at $200 now, but it says "You're saving $40" under the price, so normal price is $240?

So how fast do prices usually drop to around 150? A Couple of months(i hope), I'm starting to regret that 8800gt I just bought.

 

[bee]

Seriously, look at that resolution, 1024 lines is whats called "P" category. That resolution is laughable. A single 9800GTX2 offers you 13k in the "P" category.

wrong, a stock 9800gx2 and a $1000 qx9650@4ghz gets 10k LINK

You see, this also proves what I've been saying. These cards are made for DX10 (GTX200 and 4800), and they under perform in a DirectX9.0 benchmark such as 3DMark06. again, I do not see how your data proves the Inquirer data incorrect, it only backs it up.

i already proved their 3dmark 06 figures were made up, dont need to go into the rest, you believe that they "only" made up one set of figures if you want to, they've been doing this shit for years

 

[MaritalWheat]

So how fast do prices usually drop to around 150? A Couple of months I'm starting to regret that 8800gt I just bought.

I don't think prices would drop that fast if its as good as its being talked up to be; I'm starting to thing I should nab this baby while its at $200.

 

[godhandiscen]

wrong, a stock 9800gx2 and a $1000 qx9650@4ghz gets 10k LINK




i already proved their 3dmark 06 figures were made up, dont need to go into the rest, you believe that they "only" made up one set of figures if you want to, they've been doing this shit for years

So if we go by what you are saying and the actual GTX280 scores are higher than 10k in the "P" category, then you assume that 3 way SLI doesn't even double the scores from one card? Is that what you are saying? Also, how did you prove the 3DMark06 scores of the GTX280 were fake by posting 3DMark scores of a 4850 card at 1024 lines of resolution? Seriously, I cant make sense of how what you are posting proves your point.

I don't think prices would drop that fast if its as good as its being talked up to be; I'm starting to thing I should nab this baby while its at $200.

I would if I had the money now. Demand will increase the price in the first 24 hours.

Also, I didnt know the 9800GTX2 did so bad given that the 3870X2 can reach up to 1600 in Vantage "P".
link

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Looks like PowerColor jumped the gun and sold the 4850 in Hong Kong

Ha, looks like the rumors are true. Very easy to overclock the 4800 series cards.

Core: 500 -> 750 Mhz
Memory: 750 -> 1100 Mhz

 

[bee]

Also, how did you prove the 3DMark06 scores of the GTX280 were fake by posting 3DMark scores of a 4850 card at 1024 lines of resolution? Seriously, I cant make sense of how what you are posting proves your point.

last post on the subject seriously bored now, cant believe im arguing over inquirer "benchmarks" jebus

i proved their figures were fake by saying

not my system but here you go, q6600@3.2 and 8800gts 512 scores 15771 LINK

a system with a slower cpu and 8800gts scores higher than their gtx 280 "test system" , which is obviously complete bullshit

 

[godhandiscen]

Ha, looks like the rumors are true. Very easy to overclock the 4800 series cards.

Core: 500 -> 750 Mhz
Memory: 750 -> 1100 Mhz

Dude, that 4850 was running at 67 *C. Thats not easy to overclock by any means. My 3870X2 is at that temperature overclocked already and working at full power.

a system with a slower cpu and 8800gts scores higher than their gtx 280 "test system" , which is obviously complete bullshit

In 3DMark06 which can be the case since the 8000 and 3800 series of cards have DX10 tacked on and are mostly DX9.0 cards. I will not discuss my point as to why a GTX280 scoring lower than a 8800 in 3DMark06 is possible, I will just stop it here.

 

[Buggy Loop]

last post on the subject seriously bored now, cant believe im arguing over inquirer "benchmarks" jebus

i proved their figures were fake by saying


a system with a slower cpu and 8800gts scores higher than their gtx 280 "test system" , which is obviously complete bullshit

I doubt any reviewing site would go to the lenghts some 3dmark junkies would go to just for a few more marks, even when official benchmarks hits the web, you'll find plenty of systems having bigger 3dmark 06 scores than the very latest technology. Doesnt prove its fake.

In 3DMark06 which can be the case since the 8000 and 3800 series of cards have DX10 tacked on and are mostly DX9.0 cards. I will not discuss my point as to why a GTX280 scoring lower than a 8800 in 3DMark06 is possible, I will just stop it here. Also that link has a 9800GX2 and nothing about a 8800. Also thats vantage and not 3DMark06.

and that about stops the argument...right... there

 

[Vic]

A dude from xtremeforums.org got a 4850

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3057586&postcount=2373

 

[godhandiscen]

A dude from xtremeforums.org got a 4850

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3057586&postcount=2373
oh shit, imageshack

Again more proof that the GTX260 scoring 10k in "P" is not unreasonable. 7K for the 4850 in "P" seems about right, which could yield to 3K in "X".

Also thats a freaking sick resolution to run "P" at. I mean, wtf, If you are going to run"P" at 1200 lines then better just run X at 1050 lines.

 

[zoku88]

A dude from xtremeforums.org got a 4850

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3057586&postcount=2373

Please tell us when he does game benchmarks

 

[Vic]

Soon I guess; if there's no AMD/ATI police to ruin the party!

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Dude, that 4850 was running at 67 *C. Thats not easy to overclock by any means. My 3870X2 is at that temperature overclocked already and working at full power.

Change the stock cooler to a Zalman to get those temps down.

 

[godhandiscen]

Please tell us when he does game benchmarks

He is going to run Crysis right now he says.

Change the stock cooler to a Zalman to get those temps down.

Investing in cooling for the 3870X2 is ridiculous. The performance is already great and the cooling parts are too pricey. If you are talking about the 4850... I don't know. Too early to tell.

 

[camineet]

God, imagine 2 CrossFired 4870X2 cards (2 cards, 4 GPUs),
a much better solution than 3 to 4 CrossFired cards or 3 to 4 SLI'd cards.

4 TeraFlops :lol



I think a single 4870X2 card providing 2 TeraFlops will be enough for gaming though, and doesn't use any CrossFire. woooohoooooo

 

[godhandiscen]

God, imagine 2 CrossFired 4870X2 cards (2 cards, 4 GPUs),
a much better solution than 3 to 4 CrossFired cards or 3 to 4 SLI'd cards.

4 TeraFlops :lol



I think a single 4870X2 card providing 2 TeraFlops will be enough for gaming though, and doesn't use any CrossFire. woooohoooooo

Srsly, a person who spends $1400 on launch to get 2 damn 4870X2s would be disgusting..... "can I go to your house and play with your toys?"

 

[artist]

Dude, that 4850 was running at 67 *C. Thats not easy to overclock by any means. My 3870X2 is at that temperature overclocked already and working at full power.

4800 series will have amazing OC potential, 4850 will be the reincarnated 6800GT.

 

[avaya]

Srsly, a person who spends $1400 on launch to get 2 damn 4870X2s would be disgusting..... "can I go to your house and play with your toys?"

Nice to meet you.

 

[MaritalWheat]

So, still no word on the dude's Crysis benchmarks?

 

[godhandiscen]

Nice to meet you.

I hate you.

Nahh jk, I'll join you post release though.

4800 series will have amazing OC potential, 4850 will be the reincarnated 6800GT.

I remember being such an OC noob at that time. I cant remember which AP I used to use, but I would just crank the bar all the way up until I started seeing artifacts in FEAR. :lol Those cards had so much OC potential. Had it been another card, most likely I would have fried it.

 

[Kevin]

So, still no word on the dude's Crysis benchmarks?

He's to busy having fun with the game.

 

[SapientWolf]

So, still no word on the dude's Crysis benchmarks?

I'm convinced there is something wrong with the current Cryengine. The performance doesn't scale proportionally to the hardware being thrown at it.

 

[godhandiscen]

He scored 2808 on Xtreme. He is still running benchmarks. This is about what I expected. (I said 3k on X).

I'm convinced there is something wrong with the current Cryengine. The performance doesn't scale proportionally to the hardware being thrown at it.

I am convinced of this too but I have got into many arguments already. There is no reason to keep discussing it.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Going at $200 now, but it says "You're saving $40" under the price, so normal price is $240?

The full price is $239.99. When I ordered today it was $229.99 ("$10 off"). They have now dropped it to $199.99. I have contacted them to have the price of my order lowered.

 

[MaritalWheat]

The full price is $239.99. When I ordered today it was $229.99 ("$10 off"). They have now dropped it to $199.99. I have contacted them to have the price of my order lowered.

If you order it now at this price, Amazon guarantees thats what they'll charge you right, even if they re-mark it up? That is one of their policies...?

 

[godhandiscen]

If you order it now at this price, Amazon guarantees thats what they'll charge you right, even if they re-mark it up? That is one of their policies...?

I think so. Anyways, why would the price suddenly drop that much? Lack of demand, benchmarks or ATI's push to keep its prices highly competitive? I hope the former. Launch 4870X2 at $550 BELIEVE!

 

[Beer Monkey]

If you order it now at this price, Amazon guarantees thats what they'll charge you right, even if they re-mark it up? That is one of their policies...?

I know that if you order at one price and they ship it at a lower price, they charge the the lower price. I still contacted them in case they raise it back up by the time it ships. I want to be locked in at $199.99. Given that I won't pay tax or shipping, I'd be surprised if a better deal crops up. And I won't be surprised if the big PC e-stores hike the price, as they do when a CPU or GPU is in hot demand.

 

[MaritalWheat]

I think so. Anyways, why would the price suddenly drop that much? Lack of demand, benchmarks or ATI's push to keep its prices highly competitive? I hope the former. Launch 4870X2 at $550 BELIEVE!

Eh, don't lose heart or gain hope-Amazon does say its a sale. After some thorough googling I managed to find a couple other 4850s listed for sale on some random sites for $229-$239, so I'm guessing thats the final price.

 

[Beer Monkey]

Here is a full unboxing (pics not vid) of a PowerColor HD4850 that was purchased in Hong Kong for $210 USD.

EDIT: late, old, etc, my bad.

 

[isamu]

And look at the price that comes along with it.

Just going on price alone, 2 x 4850s is faster than a gtx280 and would be $100+ cheaper.

Yeah, fuck the GTX280. I'm gonna build my PC early next month and simply get a low powered place holder card before the 4870x2 comes out. Probably'll get a 8800GT, or hell maybe even an ATI 3780 for like $50. Most of the games I play will not be that demanding except Crysis and probably GRID, Fallout 3, and Left 4 Dead.

 

[godhandiscen]

GTX200 benchmarks. credit to the guys in this forum for finding them:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=185628&page=65
The benchmarks are made by Chip Hell apparently.
Anyways, these benchmarks are with a QX9770 @ 4GHz and scores are the same as what the Inquirer.net claimed.



Regular GTX280

OC'd GTX280

If true, then disappointing since those same scores can be achieved with a 9800GTX2 according to bee (or we accept that the 10K achieved by that GTX2 in your link is just fine tuned by an overclocker and not what a default 9800GTX2 would achieve).

 

[bee]

If true, then disappointing since those same scores can be achieved with a 9800GTX2 according to bee (or we accept that the 10K achieved by that GTX2 in your link is just fine tuned by an overclocker and not what a default 9800GTX2 would achieve).

its not too bad, its as fast as 2 x 8800 which is pretty good going and of course wont suffer from the sli scaling that the gx2 does in games, look forward to seeing some actual meaningful benchmarks

if its £400+ it wont make a bit off difference to me either way as theres no fuckin way i'd pay that, £300 tops and if the gtx 260 and 4870 are reasonably priced but only say a 30% step up from my gts 512 then i think i'll just skip these cards entirely

 

[Tenacious-V]

There was just a price drop announced to 499 for the GTX 280


http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7853&Itemid=65

Well looks like Fuad was wrong with the price drop. The GTX260 gets a slight price drop, but the GTX280 is still $649.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/13/gtx-200-finally-officially-priced/

Official msrp:

GTX260 = $399
GTX280 = $649

Also, the GTX 260 is only soft launching on Monday and won't be available until the end of the month. The GTX280 will be available though.

Looks like the 4850 and 4870 are the big time price/performance winners.

 

[Pachael]

Well looks like Fuad was wrong with the price drop. The GTX260 gets a slight price drop, but the GTX280 is still $649.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/13/gtx-200-finally-officially-priced/

By extension so was I - I used the same link he did (and I was surprised by the drop as well). Things are hotting up!

 

[Epsilon-delta]

If anyone wants benchmarks, the new PC Gamer mag did a review with GTX 280. Thanks to TeStiCle at rage3d:

"All benchmarks run at 1600x1200 except where noted,with 4x aa at full screen, and 16af turned on. All games run with graphics settings at "high", and HL2 run with HDR at full."

3dmark06/vantage= 16650/10639
crysis, 1600/2560= 34fps/15fps
HL2: ep1, 1600/2560= 219fps/122fps
company of heroes, 1600/2560= 58fps/42fps
world in conflict, 1600/2560= 52fps/33fps

http://rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1335497034&postcount=1634

Edit:

PC Gamer also lists:

1.4 billion transistors distributed through 240 processing cores
idles at 25 watts, with a peak of 235 watts
$649.99 list price

Thanks again to TeStiCle.

 

[aeolist]

Well looks like Fuad was wrong with the price drop. The GTX260 gets a slight price drop, but the GTX280 is still $649.

http://en.expreview.com/2008/06/13/gtx-200-finally-officially-priced/

Official msrp:

GTX260 = $399
GTX280 = $649

Also, the GTX 260 is only soft launching on Monday and won't be available until the end of the month. The GTX280 will be available though.

Looks like the 4850 and 4870 are the big time price/performance winners.

Jesus, why is nVidia doing this? The 8800GT was such a smash hit because it was cheap, they've always sold the really crazy numbers when they have a high-end performing part for <$300.

 

[camineet]

GTX 280 - $649

512-bit bus, 240 stream processors, 32 ROPs, 80 texture filter units, all that costs a lot to manufacture. I'll bet Nvidia knocks it down to $599, but not down to $499 as reported.

 

[aeolist]

Well then they need a scaled down version of these cards that's $250 and competitive with the ATi offerings. Launching exclusively at the high end is stupid.

 

[Epsilon-delta]

Well then they need a scaled down version of these cards that's $250 and competitive with the ATi offerings. Launching exclusively at the high end is stupid.

Well if the rumors were true about low-yields for GTX 280, it's certain that the price will be this high.