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June 2008: Battleground for PC Graphics - Geforce GTX 200 v Radeon HD 4800

aeolist said:
Well then they need a scaled down version of these cards that's $250 and competitive with the ATi offerings. Launching exclusively at the high end is stupid.
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This launch is seeming to mirror the 8800GTS/8800GTX launch over a year ago. They launched the 8800GTS at $300-$400, and the GTX at $600. Nothing new.
 
Amazon reduced my 4850 to $199.99 for me. Now the waiting begins. At first I had concerns about ordering early, but I don't think we'll see them selling below this price before fall.

Cheeto said:
This launch is seeming to mirror the 8800GTS/8800GTX launch over a year ago. They launched the 8800GTS at $300-$400, and the GTX at $600. Nothing new.
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Except the competition.
 
Cheeto said:
This launch is seeming to mirror the 8800GTS/8800GTX launch over a year ago. They launched the 8800GTS at $300-$400, and the GTX at $600. Nothing new.
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To be exact 8800GTX was launched at $599 and 8800GTS was $449.
 
Impatient? An eBay powerseller with 99.1% feedback can have a PowerColor 4850 in your hands Tuesday for $244 shipped (Buy It Now with overnight shipping).
 
Where are the goddamn leaked benchmarks???? There should be some by now.

-I"m talking about game benchmarks, not 3Dmark
 
HOLY SHIT $649 for 280?!

I've been casually following this thread, but from what I can gather ATi looks to have an edge on NVIDIA this time around?
 
Pachael said:
People have started to get their hands on the new cards, but take these charts/tests with a pinch of salt. (Since there's no head-to-head).

http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=288666 Zotac GTX280.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191096 Vision Tek 4850.
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The Zotac GTX280 benchmarks has to be fake. 9800GX2 averages ~35fps on Crysis High at 1920x1200 with AA tuned off and at same res with Very High at 4xAA averaging 9fps according to techreport:

http://www.techreport.com/articles.x/14524/9

The Zotac GTX280 benchmarks shows the 9800GX2 averaging ~43ps on Crysis with 2048x1536 & 4xAA. :lol
 
Smokey Bones said:
HOLY SHIT $649 for 280?!

I've been casually following this thread, but from what I can gather ATi looks to have an edge on NVIDIA this time around?
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In terms of raw performance, Nvidia have the edge undoubtedly. In terms of price:performance, ATI look to be releasing two very tasty propositions.
 
brain_stew said:
In terms of raw performance, Nvidia have the edge undoubtedly. In terms of price:performance, ATI look to be releasing two very tasty propositions.
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GTX280 might be top dog in terms of raw performance until the 4870X2 shows up or if 4850 CF scales consistently across the board. ;)
 
The card that can play Crysis at a decent resolution for less than $200 has arrived.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=191096

35fps 1600x1050 No AA
crysis1680defaulthighseke3.jpg


24fps 1600x1050 4xAA
crysishighsettingsdx916dz1.jpg


BTW, 29fps on average in the benchmark yields a framerate of 26-43fps during gameplay. I am telling you because of experience.

brain_stew said:
In terms of raw performance, Nvidia have the edge undoubtedly. In terms of price:performance, ATI look to be releasing two very tasty propositions.
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Not really. Because everything indicates that 2 Crossfired 4850 get better performance than the GTX280. Thats $400 for a card with better performance than the GTX280. Pretty sure Nvidia is thinking about the GTX280 re-spin right now.
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
I can't wait to see how it plays Crysis on max at lowly 1280x720.
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50fps for sure.

BTW, he tested using XP because the card couldnt run the benhcmark on Vista (the game runs fine). Crysis is faster on Vista 64.
 
Agent Ironside said:
Than XP what? Where, I missed something.
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You didnt know? Vista already catched and surpassed XP in videogame speeds. It was a big deal a month and a half ago. Also, the reason why people say sometimes that Crysis is faster on XP is because you cannot enable DX10 (Very High aka MAX) settings on XP. Therefore is an unfair comparison. However yeah, Crysis on Vista (specially 64 bit) is faster.
 
-SD- said:
1680x1050 screens from the NVIDIA Medusa demo:

http://publish.it168.com/2008/0611/20080611028402.shtml
http://publish.it168.com/2008/0611/20080611028403.shtml
http://publish.it168.com/2008/0611/20080611028404.shtml
http://publish.it168.com/2008/0611/20080611028405.shtml (wires)
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Thanks for the update but I got to say, I'm not very impressed with NVIDIA's tech demo. Several PC games like Age of Conan already look this good in terms of visuals. Surely NVIDIA could deliver something better?
 
-SD- said:
Me neither. The lighting looks surprisingly last-gen-ish, especially now that we have Crysis.
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It looks pretty meh all around, except maybe the texture quality. Even that gets trounced by Crysis on high settings, much less very high. The Luna and Adrianne demos were way more impressive than this. Can actually go back as far as the dawn/dusk demos or even earlier and find more wow factor.

I guess it's nice that they actually included more of the environment to make it a more realistic example of what games will be like, but they could have at least done something more impressive than crysis.
 
iamblades said:
It looks pretty meh all around, except maybe the texture quality. Even that gets trounced by Crysis on high settings, much less very high.
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Speaking of Crysis... I wonder if NVIDIA has commissioned Crytek to make something for the launch party tomorrow. Maybe frist glimpse of Warhead, or new machinima with the Warhead version of CryENGINE 2? One can only hope...
 
VISIONTEK RADEON 4850 NOW AVAILABLE - IN STOCK AT BUY.COM !!!

I just purchased it with 2 day shipping and using google checkout for $10 off -- grand total $194.49

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Total: $194.49
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http://www.buy.com/prod/radeon-4850-512mb-gddr3-pcie/q/loc/101/208177814.html
 
bill0527 said:
VISIONTEK RADEON 4850 NOW AVAILABLE - IN STOCK AT BUY.COM !!!

I just purchased it with 2 day shipping and using google checkout for $10 off -- grand total $194.49



http://www.buy.com/prod/radeon-4850-512mb-gddr3-pcie/q/loc/101/208177814.html
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Damn, the card's going to be a roaring success at that pricerange, ATI have hit a hole in one. Move over 8800GT, there is a new king of the ultimate bang for buck.

Kinda wish, I put off my PC build a month now, still at the resolution I play, my 8800GT will run anything I throw at it with aplomb.
 
brain_stew said:
Damn, the card's going to be a roaring success at that pricerange, ATI have hit a hole in one. Move over 8800GT, there is a new king of the ultimate bang for buck.

Kinda wish, I put off my PC build a month now, still at the resolution I play, my 8800GT will run anything I throw at it with aplomb.
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So a question before I buy this how much more powerful is it compared to the 8800 GT? I want oblivion to run at 60 FPS outside and right now I only get about 40.
 
also amazon has one (this is new and not the dead one)

Buy.com's google checkout is not working for me :( no $10 off

JudgeN said:
So a question before I buy this how much more powerful is it compared to the 8800 GT? I want oblivion to run at 60 FPS outside and right now I only get about 40.
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i'm not a graphics guru, but from above benchmark of crysis x4aa at 24 fps. why not
 
It really looks like ATi's strategy of making cards at better value, with the option to crossfire is starting to win people over. The 2XXX series was a disaster but the 38XXs series was respectable and this new generation of cards looks even better. Nvidia still seem to be going with the diminishing returns for value approach with cards that are too expensive for anything but the enthusiast market, which is traditional but frankly a little outdated.

The beauty of Crossfire / SLi technology is that you can increase your performance dramatically by buying now then later, as opposed to putting it all upfront. ATi are really capitalising on this, all their cards are basically designed to be in Crossfire, with Nvidia their best cards are still single GPU.
 
JudgeN said:
So a question before I buy this how much more powerful is it compared to the 8800 GT? I want oblivion to run at 60 FPS outside and right now I only get about 40.
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There are no independent head-to-head bench marks available right now, but ATI's slides are claiming 25-40% better performance than an 8800GT and so are a few people who have gotten their hands on the card.
 
To be fair the 8800GT is about $160 with Newegg rebates, so price/performance ratio isn't necessarily that different, especially if you don't need 7.1 LPCM output. There's also a decent chance that we'll see price cuts on 8800 cards in the next couple of weeks.

I ordered one of the 8650s from Buy.com. If they really ship tomorrow, I'll cancel my Amazon order. If they both ship around the same time, well, I've got a problem. :lol
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
To be fair the 8800GT is about $160 with Newegg rebates, so price/performance ratio isn't necessarily that different, especially if you don't need 7.1 LPCM output. There's also a decent chance that we'll see price cuts on 8800 cards in the next couple of weeks.

I ordered one of the 8650s from Buy.com. If they really ship tomorrow, I'll cancel my Amazon order. If they both ship around the same time, well, I've got a problem. :lol
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Here you go. A 8800GTS 512MB for $146.99 after a 40 MIR.

http://fxvideocards.com/ZOTAC-GeFor...-HDCP-Ready-SLI-ZOTAC-Video-Card-p-16280.html

Yes, both the brand and store is trustworthy, confirmed by members on [H].
 
JudgeN said:
So a question before I buy this how much more powerful is it compared to the 8800 GT? I want oblivion to run at 60 FPS outside and right now I only get about 40.
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Just get the 4850 if you can afford the $200. Why settle for less. With driver updates the performance is just bound to improve. Also, the scaling on the 4850 is said to be at least 160% so in a couple months you could upgrade to a second 4850 and have a Crossfire setup that right now is scoring better than a GTX280 according to the benches leaked before.

Also, 60fps oblivion is a given.
 
godhandiscen said:
Just get the 4850 if you can afford the $200. Why settle for less. With driver updates the performance is just bound to improve. Also, the scaling on the 4850 is said to be at least 160% so in a couple months you could upgrade to a second 4850 and have a Crossfire setup that right now is scoring better than a GTX280 according to the benches leaked before.

Also, 60fps oblivion is a given.
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60% efficiency with Crossfire is very optimistic. The average is likely closer to 40%.
 
TheHeretic said:
60% efficiency with Crossfire is very optimistic. The average is likely closer to 40%.
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Even then still matches a GTX280 according to leaked info.
 
Like some here have already said, I'm through buying $300+ graphics cards. If you're card costs as much as a console, then screw you! I'm glad ATI is going in the mid-range-8800GT route.

On a related note, benchmarks for the GTX280 are not looking impressive.
 
I'm astounded by the confidence some people here have in multi-gpu solutions, be they SLI or crossfire. The performance is bad in a lot of games, others get micro-stuttering, and a lot of future rendering techniques suffer greatly. Especially the micro-stuttering is insidious, as it doesn't show up in benchmark scores.
 
From the anandTech review

But then we have the question of whether or not you should buy one of these things. As impressive as the GT200 is, the GeForce GTX 280 is simply overpriced for the performance it delivers. It is NVIDIA's fastest single-card, single-GPU solution, but for $150 less than a GTX 280 you get a faster graphics card with NVIDIA's own GeForce 9800 GX2. The obvious downside to the GX2 over the GTX 280 is that it is a multi-GPU card and there are going to be some situations where it doesn't scale well, but overall it is a far better buy than the GTX 280.
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That part really bothers me.
 
McHuj said:
That part really bothers me.
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Not only that, but i can buy a second 8800gt, super cheap, and sli it for a better performances than the gtx 280. Im really underhelmed by this card. Hope ATI kick nvidia ass this round.
 
Outdoor Miner said:
So SLI'd 8800GT's outperforms the GTX280 at half price? That's not good. That means 4850 CF'd should beat it by a significant margin.
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Yeah, the price/performance ratio on these new Nvidia cards is looking to be pretty scary.


McHuj said:
From the anandTech review



That part really bothers me.
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Tom's said similar:
On the other hand, unlike the current situation, at the time of the 7800 GTX Nvidia hadn’t put their SLI to work with a bi-GPU card, like the 9800 GX2. That’s the drawback of this launch, since despite raw processing power that’s nearly doubled compared to the earlier generation (even under actual conditions, thanks to the increase in efficiency, and even though some of our synthetic tests didn’t go off the charts as we might have hoped), the GTX 280 didn’t perform well against the 9800 GX2, which beat it fairly regularly in gaming tests. And though it would be crazy to prefer the earlier card – which has only half the useful memory and much higher power consumption at idle, to cite only two of its now-obvious disadvantages – its results necessarily take some of the glory away from the new ultra-high-end card. Still it would be hard to fault Nvidia on this, since it just seems inconceivable to squeeze even one more ALU onto the gigantic die, and when you compare it to the competition’s performance.
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Let me also say that it's not just that the GTX 280 is slower than the GX2, they are two different solutions and the multigpu/SLI will not be as efficient in some cases and may not offer benefits.

The price difference is the big problem. If the price difference was within 5% or 10%, ok, but it's $150. The 280 is 30% more expensive than the GX2. NVIDIA is asking for too much here in my opinion.
 
McHuj said:
The price difference is the big problem. If the price difference was within 5% or 10%, ok, but it's $150. The 280 is 30% more expensive than the GX2. NVIDIA is asking for too much here in my opinion.
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Well, they kind of locked themselves into making a high-cost card when they elected to go with a design that uses a really huge piece of silicon.
 
from http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/1464/18/page_18_final_thoughts/index.html

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So what are my actual thoughts on the card? – Okay, yes it’s nice that we’ve got the performance of two GPUs on one card that takes less power, but at the moment an immature driver doesn’t give us the gains that we probably expected to see with a 512-bit memory interface and an increase in stream processors. Do I think that the GTX 280 is going to be performing significantly better in a months’ time? - Absolutely! Will it be too late? - We’re not too sure.

The other thing I have to say before I wrap this all up is that I’ve tested the HD 4850, and I’ve tested it in Crossfire. Now, if I hadn’t tested those cards I may have been more impressed with the GTX 280, but I have. I’ve seen the performance figures the cards put out. We also know the price on a pair of HD 4850s is going to be under $600 AUD, while the new GTX 280 in stock form seems to be launching at the absolute cheapest in Australia in the low $700 AUD area. Ouch.
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Share the same inquietudes as the other reviewers. What we need now are 4800 reviews/benches; especially in CrossFire
 
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