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June 2008: Battleground for PC Graphics - Geforce GTX 200 v Radeon HD 4800

irfan said:
This shit is so funny, ages back when AMD adopted Folding and other general purpose apps, you trolls were terming them as non-issue. Suddently when Nvidia adopts a similar approach, they are deal breakers. :lol
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The difference is that CUDA is actually being used for stuff beyond Folding, like video encoding and there'll be support for it in the next version of Photoshop.
 
Proelite said:
Damn. But 22.9 is still not playable.
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Its still the higuest score for any videocard solution at those settings for less than $700. It is not even $700, its only $400. Also, its 4xAA, at that resolution even one pass of AA is redundant. Take the AA off and you have above 30fps stable. Also, this isnt even the best ATI is going to offer this gen, this is its lightweight. The 4870X2 will score 30fps+ by itself at those settings, and will mark the age of Ruby.

_leech_ said:
The difference is that CUDA is actually being used for stuff beyond Folding, like video encoding and there'll be support for it in the next version of Photoshop.
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ATI has been doing this shit for years man, is just that they never felt like releasing a PR. Right now I can use my card matrices to speed up 2D rendering in photoshop or in Maya, is just that Nvidia is making a huge deal because they are making it more user friendly, but the option has been there for years now. Also, the biggest part that made everybody wet about CUDA was the PhysX integration, but nobody uses the API, meanwhile Intel and ATI implement acceleration for Havok, which is widely used.
 
godhandiscen said:
Its still the higuest score for any videocard solution at those settings for less than $700. It is not even $700, its only $400. Also, its 4xAA, at that resolution even one pass of AA is redundant. Take the AA off and you have above 30fps stable. Also, this isnt even the best ATI is going to offer this gen, this is its lightweight. The 4870X2 will score 30fps+ by itself at those settings, and will mark the age of Ruby.
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You sound like an ATI shill, but I'll take your word for it. \('-' )/

How would a 8800 GT Sli do at those settings?
 
Proelite said:
You sound like an ATI shill, but I'll take your word for it. \('-' )/

How would a 8800 GT Sli do at those settings?
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I gotta be honest, I like the company for many reasons which go far beyong just buying their products. But yeah, the 4870X2 is their true powerhouse card, not the 4850. The 4850 is just their mainstream graphics solution, which just so happens to beat the the GTX280 when CrossFire is used. Nobody expected this (not even ATI).

Proelite said:
You sound like an ATI shill, but I'll take your word for it. \('-' )/

How would a 8800 GT Sli do at those settings?
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There are benches back in this same thread, the number was around 8fps if I am not mistaken.
 
_leech_ said:
Is there a list of supporting software I can take a look at then?
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Thats the problem, there is not a sotware or easy config file, you basically have to set up the card to do the rendering. You have to pipe all the rendering straight into the videocard, and in some ocassion even do some MEL. To set it up with Maya it took me forever, but its possible. Then get each frame, save them and try to make a video out of them. I noticed a speed difference in my old rig, but after I went quad core I didnt feel like going through the whole process, specially with Vista 64, for which I dont have a version of Maya. What Nvidia is doing now afaik is making a driver that will automatically detect this tasks and do it without any config need. However, people who are in the bussiness use a Quadro or FireGL for such things for which there is software available.
 
godhandiscen said:
I gotta be honest, I like the company for many reasons which go far beyong just buying their products. But yeah, the 4870X2 is their true powerhouse card, not the 4850. The 4850 is just their mainstream graphics solution, which just so happens to beat the the GTX280 when CrossFire is used. Nobody expected this (not even ATI).


There are benches back in this same thread, the number was around 8fps if I am not mistaken.
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If so, I'll get a 4870x2 in late 2008 or early 2009. :D

My system is looking to be a E8400 Wolfdale with a single 4870x2.
 
Proelite said:
If so, I'll get a 4870x2 in lat3 2008 or early 2009. :D
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The 4870X2 is coming in august according to a calendar of releases also in this thread, but then again the 4850 was supposed to be in full mass stock by now according to that calendar and thats not the case.
 
So is the 4870X2 suppose to be the holy grail of computer graphics? (this shit is getting confusing). If so, will if fit into a regular video card slot or do you need SLI?
 
Kevin said:
So is the 4870X2 suppose to be the holy grail of computer graphics? (this shit is getting confusing). If so, will if fit into a regular video card slot or do you need SLI?
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X2 stand for two chips in one single card
 
Kevin said:
So is the 4870X2 suppose to be the holy grail of computer graphics? (this shit is getting confusing). If so, will if fit into a regular video card slot or do you need SLI?
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Who the hell knows anymore. All i know is as a prospective buyer of a new computer soon, all this bullshit with new releases and then immediately new announcements make deciding when to buy a stupid part ridiculously more convoluted than it should be. No wonder why the pc enthusiast market is going down the tubes.
 
Vic said:
X2 stand for two chips in one single card
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If this card does indeed make Crysis get 30FPS on max settings then I will likely buy one. So has a price been released for this card?
 
Kevin said:
So is the 4870X2 suppose to be the holy grail of computer graphics? (this shit is getting confusing). If so, will if fit into a regular video card slot or do you need SLI?
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SLI is the Nvidia multiple card solution, for which you need a special motherboard and all that jazz. ATI cards dont have anything to do with SLI. ATI cards use CrossFire and almost any motherboard with at least 2 paralel PCI slots can use Crossfire since ATI opened the platform to Intel and AMD back in the day. The 4870X2 is only one videocard that doesnt even require Crossfire, it fits in only one PCI slot. Its called X2 because it has 2 4870 chips, much like the multiple core processors of now. And yes, its rumored to be the fastest single card solution ever. Many people consider it a single card still because it uses shared memory much different from SLI/Crossfire.
Kevin said:
If this card does indeed make Crysis get 30FPS on max settings then I will likely buy one. So has a price been released for this card?
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It was meant to be $500, but then Nvidia failed us all by pricing it lower performance card at $600, so ATI would be stupid to release a superior card at less cost, but who knows. They are already doing the same with the 4850 CF.


BTW, it is big, so make sure you at least have 13 inches of space parallel to your PCI slot.
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Kevin said:
If this card does indeed make Crysis get 30FPS on max settings then I will likely buy one. So has a price been released for this card?
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It's two cards (two 4850 in CrossFire) that give such results with Crysis. The price of the 4850 will be around 200$.
 
godhandiscen said:
The 4870X2 is coming in august according to a calendar of releases also in this thread, but then again the 4850 was supposed to be in full mass stock by now according to that calendar and thats not the case.
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The 4850 is pretty much full stock everywhere. They just pushed the release of it back to match up with the 4870 (from the rumblings I hear).

It sort of makes sense, because you see it being sold all over the bloody world already. Most websites are already selling it.
 
Vic said:
It's two cards (two 4850 in CrossFire) that give such results with Crysis. The price of the 4850 will be around 200$.
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He is talking about the 4870X2, which will perform better than 2x4850 in CF if we go by what happened in last gen.
Tenacious-V said:
The 4850 is pretty much full stock everywhere. They just pushed the release of it back to match up with the 4870 (from the rumblings I hear).

It sort of makes sense, because you see it being sold all over the bloody world already. Most websites are already selling it.
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Thats a lot of difference from 3 days ago to today. Also, I don't consider full stock until I see one at BestBuy, but yeah, I didnt go by there today.
 
godhandiscen said:
Thats a lot of difference from 3 days ago to today. Also, I don't consider full stock until I see one at BestBuy, but yeah, I didnt go by there today.
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I don`t remember the last time I checked for computer hardware at brick and mortar places so I don`t know about that, but it`s pretty abundant online all over the place.
 
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So this card has a heat pipe between the two GPU's connected to it's own fan, and screws on the underside of the PCB for mounting your own additional cooling solution?
 
Bernbaum said:
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So this card has a heat pipe between the two GPU's connected to it's own fan, and screws on the underside of the PCB for mounting your own additional cooling solution?
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Yep. You had a 3870X2 didnt you? Thats basically what it is. Thats just the stock cooling solution.
 
Bernbaum said:
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So this card has a heat pipe between the two GPU's connected to it's own fan, and screws on the underside of the PCB for mounting your own additional cooling solution?
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No, I'd say that photo is the cooler, removed.
 
Crysis isn't even that great a game, I don't understand why its everyones priority still. I guarentee you'll spend more time tinkering with the graphics settings than actually playing the game, because it just isn't that compelling outside of the visuals.
 
TheHeretic said:
Crysis isn't even that great a game, I don't understand why its everyones priority still. I guarentee you'll spend more time tinkering with the graphics settings than actually playing the game, because it just isn't that compelling outside of the visuals.
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Welcome to PC gaming. :D

Besides, if you can play Crysis, you can play just about everything else.
 
TheHeretic said:
Crysis isn't even that great a game, I don't understand why its everyones priority still. I guarentee you'll spend more time tinkering with the graphics settings than actually playing the game, because it just isn't that compelling outside of the visuals.
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Crysis is hands down the best shooter of last year and this year.

The insane visuals are just icing on the delicious cake.
 
TheHeretic said:
Crysis isn't even that great a game, I don't understand why its everyones priority still. I guarentee you'll spend more time tinkering with the graphics settings than actually playing the game, because it just isn't that compelling outside of the visuals.
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I would say that the graphics in Crysis actually arent that big of a deal but the gameplay it is. I love the SP, but the MP is sucky.
 
For those intending to put crossfire to use, get an X38 or X48, a few people are showing that there is a bit of performance drops that's to be had from running it on 2x 8 lanes (or 16x4 whatever the case is).
 
MickeyKnox said:
Crysis is hands down the best shooter of last year and this year.

The insane visuals are just icing on the delicious cake.
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It really wasn't. Metroid Prime 3 had better controls, Bioshock had a better atmosphere and story and Call of Duty 4 had much better multiplayer and as a single player experience was simply more exciting. Crysis is obviously very different from CoD4 in that it takes an unscripted approach, but running around a huge open world just isn't as interesting.

Its still a great game, but it wasn't the best shooter of last year and its not the killer application for the PC. It works well as a benchmark but you'll finish it in 10 hours; don't design your PC experience around a single game that expires in a weekend.
 
TheHeretic said:
It really wasn't. Metroid Prime 3 had better controls, Bioshock had a better atmosphere and story and Call of Duty 4 had much better multiplayer and as a single player experience was simply more exciting. Crysis is obviously very different from CoD4 in that it takes an unscripted approach, but running around a huge open world just isn't as interesting.

Its still a great game, but it wasn't the best shooter of last year and its not the killer application for the PC. It works well as a benchmark but you'll finish it in 10 hours; don't design your PC experience around a single game that expires in a weekend.
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Metroid had not better controls and CoD4 had a horrible campaign. SP Crysis was by far the best shooter of last year. However, yes, I do believe people shouldn't base their PC's around Crysis, but another engine which will be common in more games, or an MMO which you will play for a while.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
Who the hell knows anymore. All i know is as a prospective buyer of a new computer soon, all this bullshit with new releases and then immediately new announcements make deciding when to buy a stupid part ridiculously more convoluted than it should be. No wonder why the pc enthusiast market is going down the tubes.
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Since you seem so ill-informed, maybe you should do less posting and more reading.
 
godhandiscen said:
I was going to put a smile in the "Metroid Wii had the best controls" but it just wasnt even funny.
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Well to your credit being a Crysis fanboy is surely more expensive than being most other types of Fanboy.
 
TheHeretic said:
:lol
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It did, all the bullshit that game pulled...zero bits of enemy AI, invisible walls, extremely linear design...would have landed any other 'no-name' shooter 4-5/10 scores.
 
Cheeto said:
It did, all the bullshit that game pulled...zero bits of enemy AI, invisible walls, extremely linear design...would have landed any other 'no-name' shooter 4-5/10 scores.
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Weak criticisms aside, why is being linear a bad thing? Half Life 2 shits all over Crysis and its incredibly linear. And it came out 4 years ago.
 
TheHeretic said:
It really wasn't. Metroid Prime 3 had better controls, Bioshock had a better atmosphere and story and Call of Duty 4 had much better multiplayer and as a single player experience was simply more exciting. Crysis is obviously very different from CoD4 in that it takes an unscripted approach, but running around a huge open world just isn't as interesting.

Its still a great game, but it wasn't the best shooter of last year and its not the killer application for the PC. It works well as a benchmark but you'll finish it in 10 hours; don't design your PC experience around a single game that expires in a weekend.
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This must be what an avalanche of bullshit looks like.
 
Cheeto said:
It did, all the bullshit that game pulled...zero bits of enemy AI, invisible walls, extremely linear design...would have landed any other 'no-name' shooter 4-5/10 scores.
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Yeah, the demo wooed mostly everyone. COD4 was nothing special, multiplayer included. It was a quick single player campaign that loses out to COD1 and 2 by a long shot. Perk system is garbage.

but isn't this a bit off topic
 
TheHeretic said:
Weak criticisms aside, why is being linear a bad thing? Half Life 2 shits all over Crysis and its incredibly linear. And it came out 4 years ago.
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Because Half-Life 2 isn't linear with the illusion of wide open spaces. In half life 2 you can run for cover and run up a tilted wagon to cover...in COD4 you'll be stopped by an invisible wall at the top of the wagon.
 
Someone seems to have gotten their hands on a 4870 and put it through 3DMark vantage and compared it directly to the 4850 (same settings etc).

Results:

HD4850 vs HD4870 :

Xtreme preset :

HD4850 vs 4870

GT1 : 8.62 - 12.57
GT2 : 7.13 - 12.72

FT1 : 651.67 - 779.86
FT2 : 3.41 - 5.49
FT3 : 18.11 - 20.58
FT4 : 14.23 - 17.02
FT5 : 27.59 - 33.58
FT6 : 48.92 - 53.73

GPU Score : 2692 - 4316
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*Edit: It was TweakTown
 
Druz said:
Yeah, the demo wooed mostly everyone. COD4 was nothing special, multiplayer included. It was a quick single player campaign that loses out to COD1 and 2 by a long shot. Perk system is garbage.

but isn't this a bit off topic
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*bow

Tenacious-V said:
Someone seems to have gotten their hands on a 4870 and put it through 3DMark vantage and compared it directly to the 4850 (same settings etc).

Results:
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Double the score? I call fake, since the 4870 is just an overclocked 4850. And they already were able to OC the 4850 to the extreme and got nowhere near that. I wish it was true.
Tenacious-V said:
*Edit: It was TweakTown
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Knew it. That 4870 must have been overclocked to the max.

edit: sorry I read "It was tweaked"
 
godhandiscen said:
Double the score? I call fake, since the 4870 is just an overclocked 4850. And they already were able to OC the 4850 to the extreme and got nowhere near that. I wish it was true.
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The 4870 is also using GDDR5 to 4850s GDDR3. Apparently there are a bunch of people saying that the 4850 is bandwidth constrained!
 
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