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June 2008: Battleground for PC Graphics - Geforce GTX 200 v Radeon HD 4800

I haven't been keeping up with the times...

is any card (namely the AMD ones) better than my 8800 ULTRA superclocked?

I might upgrade if the price is right.
 
TrueReligion said:
I haven't been keeping up with the times...

is any card (namely the AMD ones) better than my 8800 ULTRA superclocked?

I might upgrade if the price is right.
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Test Setup
CPU Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9770 @ 3.20GHz
Motherboard EVGA nForce 790i SLI
Intel DX48BT2

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aznpxdd said:
Seems like 4850's cooling is horrible though, most people are reporting ~70c idle. Better be safe and pick up a 3rd party cooler such as Accelero S1.
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Not horrible, but rushed. Its recommended that you open your card and re-apply the thermal paste. A lot of people are doing it for 10 degree gains.
SapientWolf said:
Why in the hell would NVidia release two cards that are more expensive than the 9800 GX2 but actually perform worse?
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Beats me. The GX2 is still the best Nvidia card by far when it comes to one card only. However, once you go SLI the GTX280 pwns them. Those numbers aznpxdd posted are more impressive than the best the Quad SLI GX2 can do.
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Nvidia+GX2+crysis&search_type=&aq=f
 
For those worried about the 4850's temps, ASUS is releasing the first non reference design card which has their own cooler on it which is said to bring down temps to non-crazy levels.
 
zoku88 said:
For those worried about the 4850's temps, ASUS is releasing the first non reference design card which has their own cooler on it which is said to bring down temps to non-crazy levels.
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Man, I dont know if I should wait for the cooled 4870X2 instead of going for the first release model.... With the 3870X2 I went for the regular model and I don't regret it, but just a month after the extra cooled model was the same price.
 
zoku88 said:
For those worried about the 4850's temps, ASUS is releasing the first non reference design card which has their own cooler on it which is said to bring down temps to non-crazy levels.
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zoku88 said:
For those worried about the 4850's temps, ASUS is releasing the first non reference design card which has their own cooler on it which is said to bring down temps to non-crazy levels.
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I would prefer an HD4850 with better cooler and 512mb GDDR5.

GDDR3 is too slow and is the bottleneck, and the card isn't going to be running games in 2560x1600 so the 1GB is a bit excessive.
 
zoku88 said:
For those worried about the 4850's temps, ASUS is releasing the first non reference design card which has their own cooler on it which is said to bring down temps to non-crazy levels.
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The fans are only running 14% at idle on the 4850s currently, thats why they are 70c at idle. Ati will release an update but in the meantime you should be able to use atitool or speedfan to increase the speed of the fan for cooler temps.
 
I'm still wondering if it would make sense to buy such a 4850 now for my rig and replace my actual card:

C2D E6850 3ghz
4GB RAM
MSI P35 Platinum
EVGA 8800 GTS Superclocked (320MB)

What do you mean, guys?
 
Caesar III said:
I'm still wondering if it would make sense to buy such a 4850 now for my rig and replace my actual card:

C2D E6850 3ghz
4GB RAM
MSI P35 Platinum
EVGA 8800 GTS Superclocked (320MB)
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It'll be faster, but I wouldn't do it myself. It won't be twice as fast and that's where I draw the line on GPU upgrades. It might be like 50% faster though.
 
Caesar III said:
I'm still wondering if it would make sense to buy such a 4850 now for my rig and replace my actual card:

C2D E6850 3ghz
4GB RAM
MSI P35 Platinum
EVGA 8800 GTS Superclocked (320MB)
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Why upgrade? The only game out there that struggles with the 8800 is Crysis. If I were you I would wait for a refresh.
 
zoku88 said:
For those worried about the 4850's temps, ASUS is releasing the first non reference design card which has their own cooler on it which is said to bring down temps to non-crazy levels.
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should i return the 4850 that's on transit for this

then again

kiUNiT said:
The fans are only running 14% at idle on the 4850s currently, thats why they are 70c at idle. Ati will release an update but in the meantime you should be able to use atitool or speedfan to increase the speed of the fan for cooler temps.
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i hope ati release one soon
 
bathala said:
should i return the 4850 that's on transit for this
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According to the above posters, the drivers for the reference card don't control the fans correctly and will be fixed in a future update.
 
i have speedfan right now. and my system (no graphic card yet) is around 43-44c according to speedfan

also is a 520w PSU normal to be warm compared to a 300w
 
Zzoram said:
It'll be faster, but I wouldn't do it myself. It won't be twice as fast and that's where I draw the line on GPU upgrades. It might be like 50% faster though.
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HooYaH said:
Why upgrade? The only game out there that struggles with the 8800 is Crysis. If I were you I would wait for a refresh.
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Thanks :)

Also Racedriver Grid has big slowdowns with LOTS of fog on the screen.
 
I don't think they realize you have a GTS 320. GTS 512 and 640 are still fine, but going from a 320 to 4850 should give you a pretty good boost in FPS.
 
godhandiscen said:
Not horrible, but rushed. Its recommended that you open your card and re-apply the thermal paste. A lot of people are doing it for 10 degree gains.

Beats me. The GX2 is still the best Nvidia card by far when it comes to one card only. However, once you go SLI the GTX280 pwns them. Those numbers aznpxdd posted are more impressive than the best the Quad SLI GX2 can do.
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Nvidia+GX2+crysis&search_type=&aq=f
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SLI GTX 280s also pwn your wallet.
 
_leech_ said:
Not true. Some people working on the x264 project (completely free and open source AVC encoder) are working on implementing CUDA support.
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Its in the pipeline = not free as of now. The transcoding app being pushed right by Nvidia now costs 20 bucks. Completely true.

TheHeretic said:
Christ that is one ugly card.
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Like that sits right in the middle of your entertainment center? I'd take one ugly ass silent card over some ricy looking hairblower. :p
 
bathala said:
should i return the 4850 that's on transit for this

then again



i hope ati release one soon
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Just wait till RivaTuner supports the 4850, that'll let you set fan profiles so it runs cooler at idle. I don't see why people worry too much though, These cards are designed to withstand this heat, its not doing them any harm really. The only real downside is lack of overclocking overhead and the possability of raising ambient temps.
 
This visiontek is silent at idle. It's much quieter than my evga 7600GT was at load as well. As a reference my specs, please don't laugh
I plan on tossing a Q6600 into this box this weekend hopefully
...

os: Microsoft® Windows Vista Ultimate - Service Pack 1 (6.0.6001) 64bit
cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz at 1862MHz
ram: 4029MB DDR2 800

W/ the Evga 7600GT 256mb GDDR3 my 3dmark06 score was 3897 @ default 3dmark06 settings.

W/ the Visiontek HD4850 512mb GDDR3 my 3dmark06 score was 8420 @ default 3dmark06 settings.

I'll certainly take a 110% improvement for $150 dollars. A lot of what's holding me back from getting 10k or much MUCH higher, is my processor. I've seen people w/ this card and the QX series proc's pulling down 13k-14k 3dmark06 scores.

Overall, I'm thrilled.:D
 
brain_stew said:
Just wait till RivaTuner supports the 4850, that'll let you set fan profiles so it runs cooler at idle. I don't see why people worry too much though, These cards are designed to withstand this heat, its not doing them any harm really. The only real downside is lack of overclocking overhead and the possability of raising ambient temps.
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I'm just paranoid since this my 1st owned Desktop. :P
 
Pachael said:
x264 CUDA would be enough to push me to Nvidia's side. When's it out?
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Honestly, this is a great time to be a pc gamer. Nvidia's got some excellent offerings with the added bonus of CUDA and Physx, and ATI's releasing some killer cards that rival their foe's, but at a lower price.
 
Mr. Pointy said:
I might jump ship to ATI. I'll wait for the 4870 though.
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I'd never really been an ATI man myself in the past, but this card at that sale price @ Best Buy was too good to pass up. I almost picked up the 8800GT in last weeks ad for $130; I'm glad I showed some self-restraint. :D
 
TrueReligion said:
Thanks.

so I guess it wouldn't be worth it to upgrade.
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Wait to see what the 4870 and 4870X2 bring to the market. If the X2 really does have a shared framebuffer then it will be a beast of a card and a very worthy upgrade from your 8800. At the very least they should both put some downward pressure on Nvidia's new high end solutions which currently off poor bang for your buck. The 4850 just wiped a $100 off Nvidia's midrange offerings, so if the performance is there with ATI's two new cards then the market is going to get a lot more interesting at the high end.
 
brain_stew said:
Wait to see what the 4870 and 4870X2 bring to the market. If the X2 really does have a shared framebuffer then it will be a beast of a card and a very worthy upgrade from your 8800. At the very least they should both put some downward pressure on Nvidia's new high end solutions which currently off poor bang for your buck. The 4850 just wiped a $100 off Nvidia's midrange offerings, so if the performance is there with ATI's two new cards then the market is going to get a lot more interesting at the high end.
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Judging by the GTX200 prices, the 4870X2 must cost $600. I think the 4870 will be the sweet spot depending on performance. With a $80 price cut and a performance upgrade through drivers, the GTX260 could also become a sweet deal.
 
Oh man I'm so tempted to walk into Best buy and pick up 2 of the 4850's. One of the video cards on one of my computers just blew out last night, and I've been waiting forever to upgrade them both (Radeon X1300's).
 
I've got a non-video card related question and I'm sure somebody that's posting in this thread knows the answer.

While having my case open this past week installing my new video card, I noticed that I have 2 empty memory slots that looked very lonely. I've currently got 2gb of RAM on Vista Home Premium 32-bit. I know that the 32-bit OS can only read about 3gb or so of RAM. Does this include video card ram as well? Would it be worth it to add more RAM? The RAM that I paid $100 for a year ago is now $38 at Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590

If you add video card RAM, I've got a total of 2.5gb in my system. I'm not sure if another .5gb is enough of a performance increase to bother with it, but if the 32-bit OS doesn't count the vid card RAM, then I'd probably go ahead and buy more.
 
RSLAEV said:
Oh man I'm so tempted to walk into Best buy and pick up 2 of the 4850's. One of the video cards on one of my computers just blew out last night, and I've been waiting forever to upgrade them both (Radeon X1300's).
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You could pick both of these for $300 with the %25 discount on all Visiontek products. Thats $300 for a setup that is benching better than the GTX280 currently.
bill0527 said:
I've got a non-video card related question and I'm sure somebody that's posting in this thread knows the answer.

While having my case open this past week installing my new video card, I noticed that I have 2 empty memory slots that looked very lonely. I've currently got 2gb of RAM on Vista Home Premium 32-bit. I know that the 32-bit OS can only read about 3gb or so of RAM. Does this include video card ram as well? Would it be worth it to add more RAM? The RAM that I paid $100 for a year ago is now $38 at Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590

If you add video card RAM, I've got a total of 2.5gb in my system. I'm not sure if another .5gb is enough of a performance increase to bother with it, but if the 32-bit OS doesn't count the vid card RAM, then I'd probably go ahead and buy more.
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I am pretty sure the video memory is treated independently. My page file shows 8GB of memory which is the amount of ram I have and ignores the 1GB of video memory I have in my card.
 
godhandiscen said:
Judging by the GTX200 prices, the 4870X2 must cost $600. I think the 4870 will be the sweet spot depending on performance. With a $80 price cut and a performance upgrade through drivers, the GTX260 could also become a sweet deal.
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I still reckon $200, $300 and $500 for the three cards, ATI are being very aggressive with their pricing this time, either way its going to make things interesting.
 
godhandiscen said:
You could pick both of these for $300 with the %25 discount on all Visiontek products. Thats $300 for a setup that is benching better than the GTX280 currently.
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I know, I'm probably gonna do it :P
 
bill0527 said:
I've got a non-video card related question and I'm sure somebody that's posting in this thread knows the answer.

While having my case open this past week installing my new video card, I noticed that I have 2 empty memory slots that looked very lonely. I've currently got 2gb of RAM on Vista Home Premium 32-bit. I know that the 32-bit OS can only read about 3gb or so of RAM. Does this include video card ram as well? Would it be worth it to add more RAM? The RAM that I paid $100 for a year ago is now $38 at Newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590

If you add video card RAM, I've got a total of 2.5gb in my system. I'm not sure if another .5gb is enough of a performance increase to bother with it, but if the 32-bit OS doesn't count the vid card RAM, then I'd probably go ahead and buy more.
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The 3GB figure already has the 512MB used for addressing your video card taken away. Adding another 2GB of RAM will give you between 1GB - 1.5GB of extra useable system RAM. On Vista your PC may "see" 4GB but the useable amount will be less than that. So whilst you won't get to use all of it, it should still be a nice boost especially considering you're using Vista, so Superfetch will make the most of any RAM you give it.
 
Vic said:
http://i32.tinypic.com/1zq6c2b.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

looks like the same fan used on their previous cards. i've heard it's pretty noisy, don't know if true and how it compares to the reference design.

:)
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HoTHiTTeR said:
This visiontek is silent at idle. It's much quieter than my evga 7600GT was at load as well. As a reference my specs, please don't laugh
I plan on tossing a Q6600 into this box this weekend hopefully
...

os: Microsoft® Windows Vista Ultimate - Service Pack 1 (6.0.6001) 64bit
cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz at 1862MHz
ram: 4029MB DDR2 800

W/ the Evga 7600GT 256mb GDDR3 my 3dmark06 score was 3897 @ default 3dmark06 settings.

W/ the Visiontek HD4850 512mb GDDR3 my 3dmark06 score was 8420 @ default 3dmark06 settings.

I'll certainly take a 110% improvement for $150 dollars. A lot of what's holding me back from getting 10k or much MUCH higher, is my processor. I've seen people w/ this card and the QX series proc's pulling down 13k-14k 3dmark06 scores.

Overall, I'm thrilled.:D
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I went this morning and picked up a Q6600! Here are my newest scores...

Main test results

3DMark Score 12070 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score 4764
SM 3.0 Score 5613
CPU Score 3464
Test Results
Graphics Tests
1 - Return to Proxycon 39.3 FPS
2 - Firefly Forest 40.1 FPS
CPU Tests
CPU1 - Red Valley 1.13 FPS
CPU2 - Red Valley 1.7 FPS
HDR Tests
1 - Canyon Flight (SM 3.0) 60.3 FPS
2 - Deep Freeze (SM 3.0) 51.97 FPS
 
HoTHiTTeR said:
I went this morning and picked up a Q6600! Here are my newest scores...

Main test results

3DMark Score 12070 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score 4764
SM 3.0 Score 5613
CPU Score 3464
Test Results
Graphics Tests
1 - Return to Proxycon 39.3 FPS
2 - Firefly Forest 40.1 FPS
CPU Tests
CPU1 - Red Valley 1.13 FPS
CPU2 - Red Valley 1.7 FPS
HDR Tests
1 - Canyon Flight (SM 3.0) 60.3 FPS
2 - Deep Freeze (SM 3.0) 51.97 FPS
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Nice. Weren't you expecting only 10k or so?

Schrade said:
For people who want to see how fast CUDA and nVIDIA GPUs are at transcoding video to h.264:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C_Pj1Ep4nw&fmt=18

This is a demo of RapiHD. http://www.elementaltechnologies.com/

Probably won't be as good of quality as x264 of course but still, the speed is awesome.
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presenter said:
First you need to get the $20 decoder pluggin for iTunes...
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WTF? the pluggins are specific? I hope the plugging is universal, else it could be something like $20 for the Photoshop one, and $20 more for the iTunes one, and $20 for the Zune one... Is there any specific info on how many pluggins are there?
 
RSLAEV said:
BASTARDS! only one local best buy has them, and they aren't giving them up until tommorow >:(
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Is the 25% deal working until tomorrow? For $100 savings I would drive.
bill0527 said:
Yeah the excuse some of them are using is that they don't officially go on sale until tomorrow :lol
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Thats BS, the deal is over tomorrow I believe.
 
RSLAEV said:
Well Fry's has them available now... for $230.00 each :(
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The sale ends tomorrow night. If the cards do go on sale tomorrow morning, then you will save $100 instead of over spending $60. Have patience man.
 
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