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June 2008: Battleground for PC Graphics - Geforce GTX 200 v Radeon HD 4800
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brain_stew
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RSLAEV said:Awesome. I hope I can pick em up, but I can't help but think they'll keep them from me
As a side note, will 430 Watt power supply be enough to install the Radeon HD 4850?
If its a decent brand you should be fine. Most importantly tho, how many amps does it deliver on the 12V rail? If you have a look at your PSU it should list how much of the power is dedicated to the 12V rail.
brain_stew
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JudgeN said:
20% at minimum, as the clocks are increased by that. It has nearly twice the bandwidth tho, so in cases where you're bandwidth limited it should offer some very decent performance. So that means cranking up the resolution and AA/AF shouldn't hurt it too much, for that reason I'd go for the 1GB version only, 512MB is going to hold this card back from what it can truly achieve. The Dual slot cooling, voltage bump and second power connector should mean it'll be a much better clocker (in theory) than the 4850. The 3870 clocked like crazy from what I gather, so hopefully this follows suit.
There were some (unconfirmed) benchmarks that showed upto a 60% increase over the 4850 in the Vantage Xtreme preset, considering that is a situation likely to stretch the bandwidth of the 4850 to the limit, it seems somewhat believable. Those sorts of gains should make it very competitive with the GTX 260.
brain_stew
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RSLAEV said:
Hmm, that could be a problem, are you sure it doesn't have two 12V rails, e.g. 12V1 and 12V2? 18A is quite low for a 430W PSU. My PSU has two 12V rails that can deliver upto 18A each (for not both at the same time) and its only 460W. Is it a no name budget brand? If so, it might be worth upgrading.
You could always take a picture of its label for us to look at if you're not sure. Better safe than sorry.
RSLAEV
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brain_stew said:
It's this one
http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Power/TR2power/w006970/w006970.asp
edit: wrong one. this one is right
Outdoor Miner
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RSLAEV said:
The Thermaltake Purepower 500 is on sale right now @ newegg for $39 after rebate. That one has 2 12v rails. Great PSU that is more than enough for pretty much any single-card system.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153052
brain_stew
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RSLAEV said:
Hmm, you might have problems with that then, yeah, can't say I'd recommend it. It might work but I wouldn't want to run it 24/7 for the forseeable future. Seems they cheaped out on the 12V rail which is the sign of a poor PSU. Corsair make some nice, reasonably priced PSUs. Their 520W model would be a very good investment.
Edit: As a low cost option that 500W Thermaltake linked should do the job.
brain_stew
Member
bathala said:
I don't think that's anything to worry about. Excellent choice of PSU by the way, that should last you a good long while.
brain_stew
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xemumanic said:
Well where it has been implemented, the performance improvements have been really quite substantial. No guarantees it will catch on, but if it does, its going to be a great thing to have.
xemumanic
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SRG01 said:
I said it _barely_ means anything, and you're right, it took TWO FREAKING YEARS. Only now do we see a variety of DX10 software. Not only that, so many of us here on NeoGAF alone predicted this. 10.1 isn't gonna amount to anything for at least as long. Especially if 1 of the 2 main gaming video card vendors have already said they aren't ever going to support it.
Fragamemnon
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SRG01 said:
Does DX10 substantially mean anything now other than people making benchmarks? I play most of the new PC releases, and I can only think of one or two where there DX10 was at all interesting or a major leap over the usually faster performance on DX9 (on either Vista or XP).
The reason why DX10 doesn't matter is mostly due to poor Vista adoption by gamers and the fact that 95% or more of the hardware-pushing games on the PC nowadays were first developed on a DX9-centric console.
xemumanic
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irfan said:
Whatever fanboy.
Nvidia has already stated, (as I did before) they aren't gonna do 10.1.
Not only that, it took a while for DX10 to even be where it is now, and with XP not supporting it, there's still this huge backlash against it. And now you expect 10.1 to make waves anytime this year? Maybe when all the 'Vista sucks' bullshit dies down.
Talk about irony.xemumanic said:
So what? It puts them in a disadvantageous position. They have to spend as much resources making/forcing developers not to adopt it.xemumanic said:
blah blah blah .. If there is no hardware, then there will be no software.xemumanic said:
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Chiggs
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irfan said:
No, they really don't. Nvidia's hardware dominates gamers' rigs (see Steam hardware survey results for proof of that). At this point, ATI is going to have to convince developers into developing DX 10.1 codepaths, and with the 800lb Gorilla stating they don't care about DX 10.1, that's going to be fairly difficult.
Nvidia is a very powerful company that has a lot of sway with publishers and developers. Look what happened with Assassin's Creed. Don't fuck with The Way It's Meant to be Played.
Zombie James
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krzyspc said:
Exactly. DX10 adoption (let's not even get into 10.1) is going so slowly because its use is limited to a currently unpopular OS.
Visualante
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So much for PC gamers being real gamers.
Look at yourselves, bitching over Microsoft's silly strategies.
Look at yourselves, bitching over Microsoft's silly strategies.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
In other words. NVIDIA is fucking gamers by not allowing the wide adoption of DX10.1 which increases performance. NVIDIA IS FUCKING THE EVOLUTION OF PC GAMING! There I said it.Chiggs said:
Still bitter about the whole Assasins Creed fiasco...
Everytime I boot up the AC and see how shitty it is in comparison to the DX10.1 version I cry. I went from 70fps to <50fps on max settings. If it wasn't for the bug fixes i would just get rid of the patch.
http://www.tgdaily.com/html_tmp/content-view-37326-98.html
DX10.1 developer 1 said:
DX10.1 developer 2 said:
WHOAguitarninja
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:lolCheeto said:
I've never understood PC Hardware fanboys. It makes absolutely no logical sense why anyone would swear some sort of allegiance or have any sort of emotional investment in a particular hardware company when they both play the same games. Everyone benefits when they BOTH do well, so the hardware wars are absolutely baffling to me.
Zombie James
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WHOAguitarninja said:
Especially when they get a chance to leapfrog each other every 4-6 months, too.
WHOAguitarninja said:
It all boils down to justifying your own purchase and attempt to make someone feel inferior for their purchase.
The 360 and PS3 play about 90% of the same games also. You might get a handfull of exclusives out of each system in a year's time. That's not a lot when you look at the overall percentage of games released on the systems. People still want to rip each other's throats out because you have people who will take up arms to defend their purchase to try and justify why they made a great decision. The internet is also filled with a lot of passive-aggressive douchebags who damn near bring themselves to climax by getting others riled up. People who just out of the blue will bag on you for no good reason if you happen to mention you own X item.
No it really shouldn't matter in terms of PC hardware, but it shouldn't really matter in terms of consoles these days either. In both cases though, you just have fans of certain companies who want to see their preferred company do well. Even though they probably own no stock or have a financial stake in their favorite company, they most certainly have an emotional stake in their favorite company.
Pimpbaa
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Really lame that nvidia isn't supporting DX10.1. It is the performance jump DX10 needed, but they have like godhandiscen said, fucking with the evolution of PC gaming. People will blindly buy nvidia cards too, because of fanboy'ism. Just like how idiots bought any of the Geforce FX series. Not like ATI isn't guilty of this too with their whole late to the shader model 3.0 party a while back. ATI fanboys bought shader model 2.0 when shader model 3.0 clearly had potential and was starting to get used. But in that case, ATI wasn't the market leader so it wasn't as big of a deal.
TheHeretic
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bill0527 said:
90% of total games perhaps, but not 90% of AAA games.
WHOAguitarninja
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Heh...I think my computer is trying to ease my conscience about impulse buying a video card. My old one just started giving some minor corruption, then overheated (and I was not overclocking). Looks like this one was dying anyway. Monday can't come soon enough =)
