Just had an insane road rage incident.

[overcast]

Warning this includes quite a bit of California freeway talk, but just stay with me.

Tonight my girlfriend and i were coming back south from Santa Barbara. Just had a few days of vacation up there we're from San Diego. We were cruising, everything going fine for the long drive. Got to the 71 and from there the 91 east exit was closed. No big deal so we got off to hop back on the 91 east.

This dude pulls up right alongside me while I'm entering the freeway. It's a merge lane so I speed up so he doesn't hit me obviously. I was pretty confused what just happened but whatever just pulled ahead of him.

Right off the bat on the freeway he's tailing my ass hard, following me as I try to go to the right to avoid him. He's directly behind me and going to the next lane over every time. Mind you this is a heavily populated freeway even late at night. This continues for the next ten minutes with him flashing his lights, flaring his turn signals at me, yelling at me etc. The whole time I avoid and don't open my windows of course.

He follows me for another ten and I tell my girlfriend to be prepared to call the cops if it continues. Near an exit he full on stops (in the middle of a freeway) and starts trying to get me to stop and screams at me to get out of the car. He's swerving into different lanes trying to get me to stop or hit him.

I narrowly avoid him a few times and the cars behind me have to screech to a halt. I don't open my windows and try to be aware of where he's at and how close the cars are behind me stopping. So it was very fucking intense.

I step on it around him and go like 90 to get past him. At this point I call the cops and talk to them while he follows us. We get his license plate give it to them. He is right next to us the whole time slowing down and speeding up accordingly. He throws a few things at us. Finally he gets off on a street and we just keep driving on the freeway past my house and on.

My gf and I were pretty shook. Be careful out there GAF. Some people just can't be dealt with properly. Any of you guys have similar experiences? Just curious to see what should be done.

 

[Volimar]

Dude. He was trying to warn you. There was someone in the backseat.

 

[Annoying Old Party Man]

Wow dude that sounds insane.

Glad you didn't try to provoke him, good for you.

 

[How About No]

The fuck is wrong with some ppl

 

[Korey]

Why didn't you call the cops sooner? Seemed like it took you a while to do that.

 

[Capitan]

never been subject to it myself, but i've seen someone try to run another guy off the road and try to follow him. california drivers are nuts.

 

[overcast]

Why didn't you call the cops sooner? Seemed like it took you a while to do that.

Honestly I lost track of time. But it couldn't have been more than 5-10 minutes before I called. The area we were in was particularly full of cars so I wanted to focus on driving.

Should have just asked my gf to. We were able to talk to the cops for at least 10 minutes up to including his last exit + license plate number/vehicle type.

 

[Clydefrog]

Wow, what a crazy.

Quick question though: when you said "I called the cops" did you call 911? I'm always super nervous about calling 911 when it isn't an emergency. People always say "I'm calling the cops" and for some reason I feel like if I called 911 for a dying cat, then I'd get fined by the city. So instead I'd have to find out the local police station's full phone number.

 

[davepoobond]

Had something similar to that although not as long. Some guy tried to switch lanes and of course I was there so I honked at him so he wouldn't crash into me.

Of course that pissed him off and he flipped me off for a couple minutes and then tried to get in front of me to do god knows what but I saw him trying to maneuver and gunned it and got in front of traffic. He was changing lanes all around trying to catch up to me but there was too much traffic thankfully.

He was swerving like a maniac at some point.


It was some guy in a white PT cruiser. What an awful car. Only idiots drive those things

 

[Lagamorph]

I was in a car park once and it was the end if the day so all the stores were closing, meaning it was really busy as staff and customers left.
So I was sitting in the long queue in the right turn lane, near the front, and some guy comes up the left turn lane to bypass the queue (almost nobody turned left to leave, the main road was by following the right turn) and tries to merge in front of me by bullying his way in.

Sod that, I closed up the gap before he gets the chance by pulling further over to give myself room to do so. He can wait in line like everyone else.

Guy flips, gets out of his car, walks around and starts frantically pulling at my door handle to get the driver side door open. Fortunately for me the doors had auto-locked. I panicked for a moment, before putting 999 into my phone and holding it up to show him, which got him to back off and go back to his car and drive off, at which point he made a right turn from the left turn lane and very nearly smashed into both traffic already on the road we were going onto and the car making a right turn.

 

[StopMakingSense]

Wow, what a crazy.

Quick question though: when you said "I called the cops" did you call 911? I'm always super nervous about calling 911 when it isn't an emergency. People always say "I'm calling the cops" and for some reason I feel like if I called 911 for a dying cat, then I'd get fined by the city. So instead I'd have to find out the local police station's full phone number.

A guy threatening you with his car is definitely an emergency.

311/411 (if available) is for stuff like the cat.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Wow, what a crazy.

Quick question though: when you said "I called the cops" did you call 911? I'm always super nervous about calling 911 when it isn't an emergency. People always say "I'm calling the cops" and for some reason I feel like if I called 911 for a dying cat, then I'd get fined by the city. So instead I'd have to find out the local police station's full phone number.

If someone is speeding down the freeway trying to goad you into an accident I'd say that qualifies as an emergency.

 

[Poyunch]

That's terrifying. The worst thing that happened to me was a big rig driver throwing his drink out the window as I drove behind him on a parallel lane and then having him flick me off.

He wasn't signalling or anything. I was pretty spooked since it was a pretty empty lane at night. Would have felt a bit more anxious had I not had a friend with me.

 

[overcast]

Do you guys have anything in your car for self defense?

Not trying to derail too much and not a gun of course. 🤔

 

[DBT85]

The last one of these threads ended with "and then we had great sex in the car".

I am disappoint.

Seriously op, I'd have been on to the police much sooner. There are some full on crazies on the roads.

 

[NoblesseOblige]

Wow, what a crazy.

Quick question though: when you said "I called the cops" did you call 911? I'm always super nervous about calling 911 when it isn't an emergency. People always say "I'm calling the cops" and for some reason I feel like if I called 911 for a dying cat, then I'd get fined by the city. So instead I'd have to find out the local police station's full phone number.

They won't fine you if you think it's an emergency. Only if you prank or abuse/misuse it will they likely retaliate.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Dude. He was trying to warn you. There was someone in the backseat.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

That's pretty scary. I've had a couple of these happen before: once, I honked at someone who blew through a 4 way stop, and they did a skidding U-turn to follow me, pull alongside, and scream incoherently (it was a fancy sedan and there were kids with her too...) until she finally gave up and turned around to speed away.

The other time, I was driving past a center turn lane and honked at someone who clearly wasn't looking in front of them before turning. Not only did they whip around to try and follow me, they did so staying in the center turn lane as a cop was driving on the other side of the street. Instant wee-woo lights.

Maybe the DMV should have some sort of subtle test they do to try and piss you off to see how you react before giving your license back. Maybe make you wait in line forever or, uh... hm.

 

[Schwarzbier]

If someone is speeding down the freeway trying to goad you into an accident I'd say that qualifies as an emergency.

Yeah, that's an emergency for sure.

Craziest I've had while driving myself was a guy tailing me super close on an on ramp, so close I couldn't see his lights. It was late at night and this on ramp had a stop sign at the end so I thought it was a cop who was seeing if I'd blow the sign and pull me over. I slowly stopped and this guy pulls around me on the grass and gets right in front of me and slams on his brakes. I stop and he accelerates a little then does it again. I try to pass him but he swerves to block me. I stop there and just wait thinking if he gets out of his car I'm going to pass him and call 911. After maybe 20 seconds he just drives off and that's it. It was an empty road, very late at night and it was a little freaky.

Worst I've seen was a friend was doing the speed limit on a road and a guy comes behind us and tails us very closely for maybe Half mile. My friend being a hot head slows down to well below the speed limit just to be a dick and when the guy tries to pass us he proceeded to speed way up so the guy couldn't pass. At this point I tell my friend to stop and let the guy pass and he said he would but he was full of shit and did it again. The third time the guy drives off the road to pass us, passes us, then for the next half mile the other car tries to swerve us off the road, collide with us, whatever he can do to get us to stop so there can be some confrontation. This was right before cell phones became wide spread (1997 or 98) so I'm yelling at my friend to slow way down and turn around or something just to get away from this guy. This continues until we get to a major highway when the guy just decides to get on it, perhaps realizing it wasn't worth it.

We weren't friends for very long after that...

 

[TheVampire]

Dude. He was trying to warn you. There was someone in the backseat.

A guy with a hook for a hand!

 

[Oreoleo]

I witnessed something similar a few weeks ago. I was in the middle lane on the highway and there was a guy in a black car cruising in the left lane going slower than the rest of the traffic with a few cars piling up behind him. I passed him and a red Audi that was tailing the black car swerved around next to him (behind me) as soon as I had gotten ahead of the black car. They exchanged certain unfriendly hand gestures and the Audi cut the black car off about as close as he could and SLAMMED on his breaks and came to a stop, forcing the black car off onto the left shoulder and very nearly causing a multi-car accident. I honestly couldn't believe what I was seeing, how someone could put themselves at so much risk because one guy was going 5-10 mph slower than he probably should have been. Some people really, really don't belong on the road.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

Id call the cops immediately, let them deal with him, anger can lead to shootings, hitting you etc

He is breaking laws by tailing you. Call the cops and avoid it the best you can imo

I've been boxed in with a guy in a mgs squat with a gun sneaking up to my bumper.

I gunned it between two cars in front of me that were stopped at a large intersection..


The space between the cars looked half my car but somehow only one side of my car took damage when I slammed through them, somehow made it across the intersection too.

It may seem extreme but what I saw looked really strange. I was on the last line left going straight.

Two suvs were on the left of me in the turning lane.

The suvs were packed with people and for whatever reason the passenger was banging on his window like mad.. Trying to get my attention it was apparently obvious. Luckily this got me looking in my side mirror where an old beaten white car happened to be behind me. Dude was out of his car squatting down and leaning against his car with a gun trying to hide under his cars height, arm against side and holding it against himself like you see in movies assuming that is where his influence was.

As soon as I saw that and after everything I had just observered I got the fuck out any means necessary.

It had been widely known in the Orlando area people were being shot dead for deposit money and that's my last bit of info here

I was delivering a deposit that the girl just happened to forget to drop off that morning. The thing is, she was a girl that lived in the apartments in the bad part of town. I do believe this was all planned and I believe most people in my situation would be dead now.

My boss believes I was being paranoid but nothing I said has been exaggerated at all. I'm lucky those guys thought getting my attention was a distraction as well, it ended up seeming odd as hell and helped me...

My boss said they were playing tag or some bullshit. No fucking way though.

To make it clear I saw he was taking slow but steady steps forward. As soon as he got just a bit past my bumper is when I got the hell out.

Anything can happen in this world and does happen, you have to be ready for it and that's exactly why I would call the police asap. I don't want to bother anyone and things happen, mistakes that set people off to the extreme even if it's not your fault.

 

[Fuzzery]

I witnessed something similar a few weeks ago. I was in the middle lane on the highway and there was a guy in a black car cruising in the left lane going slower than the rest of the traffic with a few cars piling up behind him. I passed him and a red Audi that was tailing the black car swerved around next to him (behind me) as soon as I had gotten ahead of the black car. They exchanged certain unfriendly hand gestures and the Audi cut the black car off about as close as he could and SLAMMED on his breaks and came to a stop, forcing the black car off onto the left shoulder and very nearly causing a multi-car accident. I honestly couldn't believe what I was seeing, how someone could put themselves at so much risk because one guy was going 5-10 mph slower than he probably should have been. Some people really, really don't belong on the road.

Red car was obviously a crazy asshole, but the black car was being really dumb too by causing that backup. Being that slow causes people to have to weave to pass you, which is really dangerous even without crazy road rage. There's a reason cops will pull you over if you drive too slow in the left lane

 

[spineduke]

I feel ya OP. Over here road rage is so bad it sometimes ends up in straight up murder. As in, let me get out and stab you to death.

 

[the_batman]

you're lucky he didn't have one of these things on his car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=850ZgmDO61U

you need to install those things you shoot out behind you to pop your pursuer's tires.

 

[Agent_ShortBus]

Wow small world. I'm from San Diego also. I've had this happen to me once except without the guy throwing objects just a lot of screaming and hand gestures. I avoided eye contact and ignored him which probably pissed him off more to the point he tried running me off the road. Luckily he was in a lifted truck and I was in a sports car so I managed to just speed off, get off on an exit and call the cops. I was by myself so I didnt get any plate numbers but they did write a report. I've since installed dual channel dash cams in my cars just incase. Some people are just crazy.

 

[danthefan]

I had someone follow me literally a few feet behind me on a motorway once. I have absolutely no idea what I did to set him off, I don't think I ever cut him off. He'd follow me in and out of lanes etc. After driving with my hazards on and a lot of hand gesturing he finally left me alone.

Was the one and only time I've felt a bit frightened on the road. It was like my safety was taken out of my own control (which I know it isn't in too some extent anyway). If you drive like that you are a monumental cunt.

 

[Lurch666]

The thing that puzzles me about most road-ragers is they seem to be angry because they are in a hurry/trying to get in front but will then waste ages raging and harassing another driver.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

The thing that puzzles me about most road-ragers is they seem to be angry because they are in a hurry/trying to get in front but will then waste ages raging and harassing another driver.

Logic never plays a part in what people do through conditioning and selfish ways of life. They also don't realize what they are doing just like most of us. Have you never thought why we as people care the things we do, or why we repeat all the same words etc it's reactionary and we are going to do what we do.

Anger is just one of those so you have to watch out and be understanding of that.

You can't technically blame a person for thier anger. They actually can't change it that much in most cases but it's also not thier fault. They are a by product of influence that has made them be what they are.


Getting some where in time is as common as eating for many people in this world, that's why it's a very strong trait as its being taught to others at the most influential levels of life which is birth.

Every school needs basic psychology imo there are answer to why peoeole are what they are. It isn't why is he so crazy, why does he do this which are the common influenced reactions to things people have of thinking about it.

If you understand what makes you think and what makes you do what you do then it isn't puzzling at all. Like why do you say puzzling and not confusing? And how often do you say that exact sentence in these situations of things you don't agree with. More than likely, you have its puzzling to me hundreds of times and never realize it.

 

[Charles Brandon]

Probably best to slow down when merging in those situations, rather than speed up and cut in front but I don't know if that was possible and in any case his reaction is obviously way over the top

 

[spineduke]

Anger is just one of those so you have to watch out and be understanding of that.

You can't technically blame a person for thier anger. They actually can't change it that much in most cases but it's also not thier fault. They are a by product of influence that has made them be what they are.

I strongly disagree, in the end each person is responsible for their anger and their actions. Self awareness is a personal responsibility everyone should have towards themselves. The idea that it's not really their fault is hogwash.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

I strongly disagree, in the end each person is responsible for their anger and their actions. Self awareness is a personal responsibility everyone should have towards themselves. The idea that it's not really their fault is hogwash.

You would be wrong. What do you do from walking to speaking at all that isn't shown to you? Anger is just one of the millions of things we see and do. People seem to forget that killing is a natural instinct in truth. It isn't actually had in nature and we are nothing more than instinctive self sustaining animals that mic in many more ideas into the mix. In nature, death is not seen as we have projected it. People believe work, Christmas etc are all true-life thins but they fail to realize they actually aren't. We could easily have an alternate world without most the things you take as normal, especially in material things.

People can be more aware of thier anger but changing the built in reactions they have leaned is going to be near impossible.

Your basically throwing a handful of ideas you have leaned at me, we will never get to a psychological base with you doing that in this conversation. I do have great conversations with people in psychology majors but we mostly just agree on everything except a few things. Everyone else always throws thiee ideas and feelings into it and that doesn't work.

I know people will disagree and I know there will be thousands of reasons and answers as to why this or that is ok or wrong to someone. But this base learning of people and how they become what they are is something I have payed attention to for twenty years, really start noticing similarities between people but more than anything seeing what a person is is like looking into a persons life and what they experienced in thier life when growing up. They are a reflection of that without doubt. Sometimes people ask me how in the world can you assume my mom or aunt etc does this or that from just meeting me... It really isn't that amazing though....
Take any person you see in history, does Micheal Jordan ever not be corky? Isn't ever just different? No, people don't really change, the idea that they can change that much is a dream idea that gives some kind of hope. People should realize its ok to be what they are but if you are wanting change it happens over time for generations not within the same person changing who they are drastically

 

[Maximus P]

. Any of you guys have similar experiences? Just curious to see what should be done.

Many experiences over the many years I've been driving. Some which have almost lead to physical fights. i have stopped the car on a couple of occasions, not because I've wanted to fight with the aggressive drivers, but more because I've been curious to find out what it is I've actually done wrong. All i found out is that they were in a rush and i was in there way basically.

Funny story, but i once had a guy following me waving his hands, pointing at me to pull over and flashing his lights, i just ignored him as i assumed he was another crazy and carried on with my journey. When i finally stopped the guy pulled along side of me and politely told me that my exhaust pipe was hanging off and it was nearly touching the floor.

 

[Charles Brandon]

In a similar vein to the exhaust pipe post I once came across a guy driving 80mph down the M1 at night in a black 911 with no lights on. He was basically invisible. I tried to signal to him by getting behind him and waving, making flashing gestures with my hands, then flashing my lights, he just pulled onto the hard shoulder to let me past, I looked over and mouthed "lights, lights" at him but he was just staring dead ahead. Repeated this process to no avail and eventually had to just leave him to it. Completely oblivious.

 

[Turbo Killer]

It amazes me how far some people will take the simplest transgression (real or imaginary). I just swear at somebody in my car and keep it moving, why go full psycho and follow people?

 

[Ponn]

You would be wrong. What do you do from walking to speaking at all that isn't shown to you? Anger is just one of the millions of things we see and do. People seem to forget that killing is a natural instinct in truth. It isn't actually had in nature and we are nothing more than instinctive self sustaining animals that mic in many more ideas into the mix. In nature, death is not seen as we have projected it. People believe work, Christmas etc are all true-life thins but they fail to realize they actually aren't. We could easily have an alternate world without most the things you take as normal, especially in material things.

People can be more aware of thier anger but changing the built in reactions they have leaned is going to be near impossible.

Your basically throwing a handful of ideas you have leaned at me, we will never get to a psychological base with you doing that in this conversation. I do have great conversations with people in psychology majors but we mostly just agree on everything except a few things. Everyone else always throws thiee ideas and feelings into it and that doesn't work.

I know people will disagree and I know there will be thousands of reasons and answers as to why this or that is ok or wrong to someone. But this base learning of people and how they become what they are is something I have payed attention to for twenty years, really start noticing similarities between people but more than anything seeing what a person is is like looking into a persons life and what they experienced in thier life when growing up. They are a reflection of that without doubt. Sometimes people ask me how in the world can you assume my mom or aunt etc does this or that from just meeting me... It really isn't that amazing though....
Take any person you see in history, does Micheal Jordan ever not be corky? Isn't ever just different? No, people don't really change, the idea that they can change that much is a dream idea that gives some kind of hope. People should realize its ok to be what they are but if you are wanting change it happens over time for generations not within the same person changing who they are drastically

I bet you're a blast at AA meetings.

 

[linko9]

Shit just went full Werner Herzog in this thread.

Sounds scary OP, glad you got out of there OK.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

I bet you're a blast at AA meetings.

People almost never agree with me, I just don't talk to people that much anynore.

Don't go to any meetings so no blast to be had.


Only those with a care in those who study psychology often agree with what I say. I don't even post what I think most the time as its a waste of time to get into situations where peoole throw thier ideas at you. It's just life in general.

 

[Zok310]

Was your trunk open, maybe your gas tank over was off😂😂😂.
On a serious note, it took you way too long to call the police.

 

[Sidon]

Sounds like your typical European asshat Audi, Volkswagen or BMW driver.

 

[spineduke]

People almost never agree with me, I just don't talk to people that much anynore.

Don't go to any meetings so no blast to be had.


Only those with a care in those who study psychology often agree with what I say. I don't even post what I think most the time as its a waste of time to get into situations where peoole throw thier ideas at you. It's just life in general.

I speak from life experiences. Being in an abusive relationship with an angry spouse gives you a lot of time to care and understand the source of such issues. Of course, you're free to postulate and get validation among your peers. Carry on.

 

[Boem]

Sometimes people ask me how in the world can you assume my mom or aunt etc does this or that from just meeting me... It really isn't that amazing though....

So you think you're this guy:

?

Take any person you see in history, does Micheal Jordan ever not be corky? Isn't ever just different? No, people don't really change, the idea that they can change that much is a dream idea that gives some kind of hope. People should realize its ok to be what they are but if you are wanting change it happens over time for generations not within the same person changing who they are drastically

You know, you seem really proud of having friends who are psychology majors, but this seems like a very basic assumption to have. Incredibly nihilistic. Your example of Michael Jordan doesn't really convince me tbh.

Obviously people can change. Humans are capable of introspection, of having an imagination. We have that over any other lifeform that we know of. What that means is that we are capable of making concious behavioral changes. Which is why therapy exists, or our capacity for introspective thought and conversation, hell, even medication.

Everyone changes over their lifetimes. Yes, partly through information and experiences from their environment. And partly through individual deliberate and non-deliberate choices we make for ourselves.

It's a very depressing thought to consider everyone just being who they are and the process starting and ending right there. That's just not how humans work. Examples of that are all around is, all throughout history.

Edit: Sorry if this is going too off-topic.

 

[E92 M3]

Sounds like your typical European asshat Audi, Volkswagen or BMW driver.

Sounds like you're an ignorant human.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

I speak from life experiences. Being in an abusive relationship with an angry spouse gives you a lot of time to care and understand the source of such issues. Of course, you're free to postulate and get validation among your peers. Carry on.

It's still thier life experience and influence that makes them angry. The question is, do you see something not making them angry sustaining not getting angry ever again? With help, with kids, with new jobs etc

I just believe that moment something causes anger to explode is luming like a volcanoe.

So, I agree with you that you can understand what makes it happen and what causes it but the results aren't always easily seen as the angry one may also have no idea what has caused it. We just have too much learning at a time where we are absorbing it super hard as a baby. We have no thinking skills there.

I'm more or less saying we can still care and understand people instead of feeling they are just bad angry people who realize they know what they are. I don't think we do typically know what we are rather it's seen as good or bad. It's hard to dictate what is good or bad cause what you find as good the next person may not. Some agree with spankings and what police do for example while I don't. Some agree with abortion some don't people will have strong opinions on things and obviously most people feel there way is right. This is the issue that most people never realize or can sustain to in any way.
So, this is how a lot of arguments and fighting happen. Two people that don't agree and will fight for what they believe in. I'd rather just not talk than go down that path at all mysekf. I have no reason to care that much about. I know they have thier mind and I get that. But gonna fight and hurt for this.

 

[Boem]

I'm more or less saying we can still care and understand people instead of feeling they are just bad angry people who realize they know what they are. I don't think we do typically know what we are rather it's seen as good or bad. It's hard to dictate what is good or bad cause what you find as good the next person may not.

This thread is about a guy losing it on the highway and actually endangering the lives of multiple people.

I'd say that's pretty bad.

Is there a chance there is another explanation? Maybe he just had some bad news from his doctor? Lost his job? Some sort of mental breakdown? Sure, all possible. But without that context there's no reason to assume any of that. Right now he's just a dick who almost killed a bunch of people because he put his own ego ahead of people's lives. If you can't speak out against any of that, society wouldn't function. Everyone should just be forgiven for anything they do, and should be allowed to do so, because that's 'just who they are'. There's no sense in that.

 

[dpunk3]

Yea I had an incident similar to this a year or so ago. I was on my way back from Boston to Augusta, Maine. It's only a 2 lane highway and it' really empty and super dark (no lights). So I'm driving like normal in the left lane, going maybe 5-10 miles over the speed limit and am in the middle of passing a group of 2 cars after I had passed another person earlier. I keep going when all of a sudden I look behind me and I see the guy who I passed earlier gunning towards me going like 90. I'm like "Woah ok lemme get ahead of these people and get over, he probably wants to get by." So I gun it, get ahead, and move over. Dude swerves into my lane. Flashes his high beams, speeds up, slows down, flashes high beams again. Rides me HARD. Never seen anyone get that close to someone on the highway before. Goes into the next lane and gets right up next to me. At this point I'm trying not to make eye contact, I was super confused. No idea what I did. This keeps up for like 15-20 miles, when he just stops suddenly and goes normal speed as when I passed him the first time. Keep in mind, I didn't break my 5-10 over speed this entire time.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

So you think you're this guy:

?



You know, you seem really proud of having friends who are psychology majors, but this seems like a very basic assumption to have. Incredibly nihilistic. Your example of Michael Jordan doesn't really convince me tbh.

Obviously people can change. Humans are capable of introspection, of having an imagination. We have that over any other lifeform that we know of. What that means is that we are capable of making concious behavioral changes. Which is why therapy exists, or our capacity for introspective thought and conversation, hell, even medication.

Everyone changes over their lifetimes. Yes, partly through information and experiences from their environment. And partly through individual deliberate and non-deliberate choices we make for ourselves.

It's a very depressing thought to consider everyone just being who they are and the process starting and ending right there. That's just not how humans work. Examples of that are all around is, all throughout history.

Edit: Sorry if this is going too off-topic.

I don't think I showed anything that shows me being proud of friends who study psychology. Only said they understand and agree with what I say more often than most others. I treat all and feel the same about all peoooe. I don't think I like those friends more or as favorites. Sometimes they still have strong ideas that break the psychological mold, like one of them did with trump. We just didn't agree on a lot of things there as he believes trump cares and is good etc while I mostly believe he is doing what he does for business and expansion and power only for the most part. I think business life in general is this for many or gets there. But a strong core is what it is and sometimes influence just can't change that. I'd use Keanu reeves as an example of someone who may have changes in some places but still has a strong sensitive core

 

[siddx]

I mean, I get angry on the road frequently, but whenever I read about or experience this type of road rage I am flabbergasted that such immense shitheads exist on the roads with this level of anger and haven't raged themselves into a grave long ago.

I was in a hotel shuttle van one time in Vietnam and some fucko in another van kept trying to ram us off the road. He finally managed to block our path and the driver gets out and runs up and sucker punches our driver through the window. Without even thinking I jumped out and ran at the guy and he turned and ran back to his van and drove off. It was a bizarre situation, our driver didn't even know the dude and was bewildered and obviously upset. We ended up giving our driver a huge tip.

In general though, Kuwait features the worst road rage I have ever experienced. A lot of people here are wealthy, entitled, think they are above the law, incredibly insecure about their masculinity, solve all their issues with violence and aggression, and drive like fucking maniacs. They believe they can drive any speed they want in any lane and anyone who dares be in front of them is often at the receiving end of physical violence and/or threats. I've had colleagues followed off highways and attacked for the heinous crime of honking at someone who was about to merge into their lane and cause an accident.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

This thread is about a guy losing it on the highway and actually endangering the lives of multiple people.

I'd say that's pretty bad.

Is there a chance there is another explanation? Maybe he just had some bad news from his doctor? Lost his job? Some sort of mental breakdown? Sure, all possible. But without that context there's no reason to assume any of that. Right now he's just a dick who almost killed a bunch of people because he put his own ego ahead of people's lives. If you can't speak out against any of that, society wouldn't function. Everyone should just be forgiven for anything they do, and should be allowed to do so, because that's 'just who they are'. There's no sense in that.

we don't know but while news in your examples is possible let's look at his core being.

He could have possibly grew up in a home whee a guy or woman often shouted and got angry at things.

As a baby you pick up on how-to scream, talk loud, move your eye brows while talking or just whatever a person is. These things people do are seen and repeated and if you never get that you'll never really get what people are simply.

When someone says, you do this. And someone yells, you don't tell me what to do! Well, this is what we do as people. We do what we see and hear. I'd that is what this many has seen and heard what do you think they will do? There is a reason why a Chinese born in America and a Chinese born in china are completly differnt after all

I do not blame any person for what they are or do honestly cause it is a by product and that's the straight truth


I talk low cause my parents talk low, I stay shy and not assertive cause my mom often helped me do things. I just don't think people are hard to understand is all.

 

[Kozmo]

I always wonder what I would do if I were in a similar situation, but I don't drive. Is this a realistic scenario? Pull over like the lunatic wants, and as soon as he gets out of his car and takes a few steps towards you, you floor the gas and laugh your ass off as he chokes on your exhaust.