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Kena: Bridge of Spirits Cold Boots In Less Than 2 Seconds On PlayStation 5
Kagey K
Banned
So cross gen is only bad when certain people decide it’s bad?
Im trying to understand how this works.
It has to be held back by PS4, so therefore not a real PS5 game, based on internet standards.
So what makes it next gen, after all I can play it if I own a PS4.
This is the standard argument right?
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DavidGzz
Gold Member
Only when people are trying to make the opposition look bad. Speaking of hypocrisy, I wonder how different this forum would react to a lower resolution version of the PS5 that was $299 if MS were only coming out with a XSX. "OMG, Sony are geniuses! The adoption rate will be insane!"
Cyborg
Member
Dude think what you want thats how opinions work
I find the game and results amazing you can have a different opinion.
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danielJackson
Banned
Why are you mixing PCs with console gens?
Yes, this is next gen, even child should understand it.
Gens are defined by consoles and PC have nothing to do with it, you just want to praise PC or what, otherwise it doesnt make sense.
Like you are saying "yeah current gen loads games up to minutes, but 2s is nothing so it is not next gen feature!"
Also you are liar, stop lying please.
Claim that speed of booting games have never been an issue is just pure lie, never means even 80's computers, you know?
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Kagey K
Banned
Opinions don’t change the fact I can play it by owning a PS4 (or PC) though, and so can you.Dude think what you want thats how opinions work
It isn’t something you need to buy a next gen console to play.
True Or False?
Kagey K
Banned
Everyone owns PCs better than current gen consoles, so it’s only fair that they should be compared.
Calverz
Member
Cyborg
Member
True
But I plan to play more games so I will be fine.
Kagey K
Banned
True
And that right there is the truth of it all.
turtlepowa
Banned
Everything can be next gen if you want it to be, even an input device..
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
Wait it actually fills the ram to the full capacity, including the memory dedicated to OS? I didn't see that part in the article. Sorry if I sound like a dick, but you gotta link? People have been saying that in next gen speculation thread, but no one had links. (I have barely been active the last 4 days or so, so forgive me if I'm late to the party)
INC
Member
Technically sony are releasing a lower resolution console
DavidGzz
Gold Member
They should copy MS and give us a 1080p console as well. I'd buy it, especialy if it looked VASTLY different than the current PS5.
DonJuanSchlong
Banned
So it's like double clicking a game on pc and getting the black screen to main menu. Of course getting into gameplay would be more impressive than loading into the main menu. I thought they meant gameplay... Excitement boner was deflated after reading that, since it's nothing new.
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DelireMan7
Member
Wouah ! Impressive...
I am the only one not caring for the booting time and loading time ?
Loading time can be a problem if the game required you to go frequently in loading screen (quest that require fast travels or the pre patch Bloodborne when you wanted to go in the Dream for level up...)
Also I like loading screen which provide info or lore (Soulsborne).
I am the only one not caring for the booting time and loading time ?
Loading time can be a problem if the game required you to go frequently in loading screen (quest that require fast travels or the pre patch Bloodborne when you wanted to go in the Dream for level up...)
Also I like loading screen which provide info or lore (Soulsborne).
DJT123
Member
It's never really been an issue on PC since SSD- even loading games (except for Wasteland3 that shit takes forever).
pasterpl
Member
So this is from Ps os to game menu time? Not actually to gameplay? Wondering how many people misunderstood this and will be “disappointed“ with up to 4s load time to game from menu (This bit is sarcastic).
in all seriousness, why people are excited about cross gen AA(almost indie game), that if on Xbox would be be described as “gamepass filler”?
in all seriousness, why people are excited about cross gen AA(almost indie game), that if on Xbox would be be described as “gamepass filler”?
longdi
Banned
After all the hoop-hola over the 2s load times, let's admire the game for how it looks:
Very pretty game. Reminds me of Horizon Forbidden West.
Imo this lighting dont look as good as their scripted trailer.
Does the artwork helps in overcoming the 'low' polygon look of current realtime models? Or they are running some impressive tessellation maths?
/asking as someone with no programming background
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megreotsugua
Banned
How about booting straight to a level in a game? Or straight to a lobby in a multiplayer match?
Any devs who have spoke about it yet?
Any devs who have spoke about it yet?
turtlepowa
Banned
Same here, but i would care about loading savegames in very hard games when you die a lot.
The Scrivener
Member
Cuz 4 seconds was too long.
Agnostic2020
Member
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Agnostic2020
Member
Well 10 seconds in case of xsx based on what we have seen with SOD2
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
LED Guy?
Banned
This is according to one of Mark Cerny's slides in his "Road to PS5" GDC video.
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megreotsugua
Banned
State of Decay 2 on xsx showed 11 seconds though. And that is not a fresh boot from the system menu.
As I've been saying, Cerny built a slew of dedicated I/O chips in the PS5 to address all the bottlenecks of I/O. MS did not. They have a decompression chip and software solutions, that's it.
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Kagey K
Banned
What could you humanly do in that 11 seconds?
Show me how you would achieve great heights during that 8 second difference.
I don’t even think you could record the worst Tiktok video in that time.
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megreotsugua
Banned
It speaks volume about the latency in the I/O between two machines. Devs can make a game on PS5 where Kratos could punch Thor and fly miles and miles hitting tress and walls and eventually land in a different realm without compromising on graphics by having every textures fit in the RAM. XSS/XSX don't have that luxury.
That's just one example.
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Kagey K
Banned
So you are using Xbox one games with no enhancements vs PS5 enhanced games to make that comparison?
Do you really think only PS5 will be able to handle those?
prinz_valium
Member
That's super fast. Wonder how Xbox Series will do with optimized ganemes. Xbox One games take around 8 seconds
INC
Member
Prerty sure xbx also has the ability to fast boot, and if the difference is even 2seconds on ps5 and 10 seconds on xbx, what difference does it make.........seriously...........clutching at that point
geordiemp
Member
Seems other way round to me, we have seen Native 4k with ray tracing on Ps5, and whats been shown on XSX ?
remember 14 TF Turing = 20 TF ampere, how efficiently do you think the consoles will fare ?
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yurinka
Member
Not just Kena, doing maths all games will take to boot less than 2 seconds. Because it loads faster than 8GB/s (8-9GB/s in most real world cases and up to 22GB/s if particularly well compressed) and it will have less than 16GB of RAM available for games. This means we'll even see some smaller games to boot in under a second.
PS5 won't need an hybernation system.
If you already are inside the game and you load a level, a multiplayer lobby or make a fast travel, it would take even less time, because they already have a part of the game loaded so the amount of memory to fill with that will be smaller. So very likely in many cases it will take around a second or so.
This is to load from the SSD. Once in the lobby you'll need to wait for other players to be ready, for the server to make verifications, speed/latency tests and synch stuff so this other parts will still be there.
PS5 won't need an hybernation system.
The 'less than 2 seconds' is to fill all the available memory for games from scratch when booting the game.
If you already are inside the game and you load a level, a multiplayer lobby or make a fast travel, it would take even less time, because they already have a part of the game loaded so the amount of memory to fill with that will be smaller. So very likely in many cases it will take around a second or so.
This is to load from the SSD. Once in the lobby you'll need to wait for other players to be ready, for the server to make verifications, speed/latency tests and synch stuff so this other parts will still be there.
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Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
By hibernation are you referring to suspend/resume? If so I still think that it has a role. With suspend/resume I don't have to worry about saving a game or a developer implementing reasonable checkpoint system.
But I know what you mean, in terms of time, loading a game from scratch will be not too dissimilar in speed to suspend/resume. I assume (and hope) they give users the option to suspend/resume still. I like the was Xbox are allowing a few games to be 'suspended' simultaneously, this may require dumping RAM to SSD, but I imagine PS5 would be able to do this even faster than MS have indicated theirs would work.
DavidGzz
Gold Member
No way, it's a cross-gen game so the ceiling is super low for how good it can look. /s
yurinka
Member
Yes, I meant a suspend/resume system to boot faster a game that you were running before shutting down the console or when going to the console's main menu.
If games have a normal checkpoint system and they boot in under a second or two loading times aren't an issue so they don't need to waste SSD space on dumping there the memory of the suspended game(s).
Regarding MS loading times, what they did show were XBO games so maybe they weren't running on a 'boost mode' that would take advantage of the SSD speed. I assume native Series S and X games will have loading times 2 or 3 times longer than the PS5 native games. So we're talking about under 2-4 seconds to boot a Series X native game. For me that isn't an issue, so I wouldn't put a resume system there, but they will do it. This would speed up boot time but will also reduce the available SSD space on Series S and X.
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OrionNebula
Member
Those fast boots & loads are going to be an issue for me
This will obviously affect and alter my gaming style drastically
With instant-fast loading, when am I supposed to take a sip? A bite? Sony didn’t take my sipping schedule in consideration when they pulled out that snazzy SSD, now did they?
That being said, I’m still taking Kena home comes Nov. I want to see the results of Horizon Zero Dawn having sex with Pixar first-hand
This will obviously affect and alter my gaming style drastically
With instant-fast loading, when am I supposed to take a sip? A bite? Sony didn’t take my sipping schedule in consideration when they pulled out that snazzy SSD, now did they?
That being said, I’m still taking Kena home comes Nov. I want to see the results of Horizon Zero Dawn having sex with Pixar first-hand
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
This is a big if
(literally). It is also not something Sony can enforce. I have 2 small children and I can be in the middle of a massive boss battle and need to leave my console immediately if they are in need of attention. The PS4's resume is a godsend, it has taken away the need to either lose progress or try and establish if I'm at or reached a checkpoint. The only exception to this is obviously always online games, that will always be a problem (hence why I don't get to play them as much nowadays).
Thirty7ven
Banned
What, were people still thinking the PS5 I/O speeds were BS?
This is to be expected. It’s how math works.
This is to be expected. It’s how math works.
yurinka
Member
It isn't a big if, it's mandatory to all games. The only difference from a game to another is the amount of time between checkpoints. Yes, long battles would load the game in the start of the battle, but how long is a boss battle, maybe 5 minutes? 10? I don't see it as a big issue because they are only a tiny portion of the game so most times you quit the game isn't during a boss battle, and people don't care about starting again the battle.This is a big if
Obviously resume or faster loading won't help on online games. But in these cases, very likely PS5 will allow you to boot the game directy to the lobby or to reach it super fast.
Whenever you want, consoles feature a pause button.
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bargeparty
Member
OrionNebula
Member
Now this guy gets it!I got you
TLZ
Banned
It's also available on PC. Can't wait to see the more graphical effects over the PS5.
Azurro
Banned
It's also available on PC. Can't wait to see the more graphical effects over the PS5.
Finally your PCMR fanboyism caught up to you.
About Kena, the game looks cute. I'd be curious to know what they had to cut or what compromises they had to do to have a last gen version out.