Listening to it now and even though I'm only like ten minutes in it's really revealing about how Geoff works. Really cool stuff.
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Kevin Pereira interviews Geoff Keighley on History, VGX, etc.
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Listening to it now and even though I'm only like ten minutes in it's really revealing about how Geoff works. Really cool stuff.
chubigans
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Good stuff so far. The Final Hours series is some of the best journalism in the gaming industry. The Final Hours of Titanfall is gonna be great.
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GavinUK86
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Lol, poor Geoff having to put up with that train-wreck with a name Joel McHale. This should be an interesting listen. Thanks for the link.
He gives a prop / shout out to Victor Lucas from Electronic Playground in Vancouver, BC.
I didn't realize he got his start on it.
If anyone remembers him, Tommy Talarico and Victor Lucas made one of the best tandems in tech / video game since Leo Laporte and hum, I forgot his name, the bigger guy, on Tech TV.
I didn't realize he got his start on it.
If anyone remembers him, Tommy Talarico and Victor Lucas made one of the best tandems in tech / video game since Leo Laporte and hum, I forgot his name, the bigger guy, on Tech TV.
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Ugh. I hate that stuff like this even gets highlighted. Its the internet. People say shitty things all the time. Its NEVER gonna change. If that guy had tweeted "I am gonna kill you for that shitty VGX" I bet it would say "Geoff received death threats over his VGX performance".
Conflict NZ
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You mean Geoff "Shilly McShillington" Keighly? At least Joel McHale was honest and it was refreshing. I didn't have to watch someone suck off PR agents for 3 hours.
Moral of the story:
Nothing was learned from Doritos gate. No one cares if you're taking money from Mountain Dew. People care when you sit in from of a giant Halo cut out. It introduces doubt and conflict of interest.
He keeps saying that gamers don't want outside advertisers when that's exactly what people want.
Total misunderstanding of the situation and super frustrating to listen to.
Nothing was learned from Doritos gate. No one cares if you're taking money from Mountain Dew. People care when you sit in from of a giant Halo cut out. It introduces doubt and conflict of interest.
He keeps saying that gamers don't want outside advertisers when that's exactly what people want.
Total misunderstanding of the situation and super frustrating to listen to.
Mononoke
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I'll just repost what I posted in the other thread:
I don't think Geoff was happy with Joel, personally. But they COULD have made a more serious award show, and chose not to make one. They wanted to take a gamble by having a comedian/celebrity, because it brings the industry to a larger audience. So it's hard for me to feel any sympathy for the show falling apart, because clearly this was their decision to do all these things that didn't work - because they want the game industry to make inroads with other industries. (For example, he defends the Loiter Squad segment because it expanded their audience and exposure to BET covering it).
Geoff isn't very vocal on this podcast about how he felt about Joel, personally. But does defend him slightly. He acknowledges that a lot of people felt that he was disinterested. Although he does say that after the cameras were rolling, Joel talked to Geoff on the side about how he loved Borderlands 1 and 2, and really enjoys co-op.
He also said: "I don't think he intended to show disservice. The things people didnt see, was him on preview monitors watching Titan Fall and saying "wow, that's amazing" and things like that. (He's talking about how Joel was interested between on camera takes). Also he joked that him and Joel follow each other now on twitter lol.
Geoff also says he watched Angry Joe's video, and said it was really great feedback.
Ultimately, he (and the people that ran this show) wanted it to expand beyond the gaming audience. That they like having people like Joel McHale, because it broadens the industry beyond its current scope. This time it just happened to bite them in the ass, as it didn't go as well. I mean shit, Geoff pretty much says "Well, we could just have like Me + Sessler, or Angry Joe. But that would just be the industry taking to itself".
Lol
So it's hard to feel too much sympathy for how bad the VGX went down.
I don't think Geoff was happy with Joel, personally. But they COULD have made a more serious award show, and chose not to make one. They wanted to take a gamble by having a comedian/celebrity, because it brings the industry to a larger audience. So it's hard for me to feel any sympathy for the show falling apart, because clearly this was their decision to do all these things that didn't work - because they want the game industry to make inroads with other industries. (For example, he defends the Loiter Squad segment because it expanded their audience and exposure to BET covering it).
Geoff isn't very vocal on this podcast about how he felt about Joel, personally. But does defend him slightly. He acknowledges that a lot of people felt that he was disinterested. Although he does say that after the cameras were rolling, Joel talked to Geoff on the side about how he loved Borderlands 1 and 2, and really enjoys co-op.
He also said: "I don't think he intended to show disservice. The things people didnt see, was him on preview monitors watching Titan Fall and saying "wow, that's amazing" and things like that. (He's talking about how Joel was interested between on camera takes). Also he joked that him and Joel follow each other now on twitter lol.
Geoff also says he watched Angry Joe's video, and said it was really great feedback.
Ultimately, he (and the people that ran this show) wanted it to expand beyond the gaming audience. That they like having people like Joel McHale, because it broadens the industry beyond its current scope. This time it just happened to bite them in the ass, as it didn't go as well. I mean shit, Geoff pretty much says "Well, we could just have like Me + Sessler, or Angry Joe. But that would just be the industry taking to itself".
Lol
So it's hard to feel too much sympathy for how bad the VGX went down.
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GavinUK86
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Joel was definately 'something' alright. I wouldn't use those words to describe it though.
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People clearly think Joel was the better host: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=730498
But you go on wishing for your 3 hour PR blowjob buddy.
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Well, it wouldn't be inaccurate.
Anyway, this Doritos thing is something I'm completely and utterly unable to care about.
As far as the VGX thing--I mean, before the week is out at least a half dozen interesting gaming YouTube videos or podcasts will come out. So someone tell me why Spike TV, a network channel, is incapable of producing an interesting show without having Joel McHale come on and be Jeff Winger for three hours?
"That would just be us talking to ourselves"? That argument does not fly with me, because it's not a real argument. The best way to show how cool games are is...to actually SHOW how cool games are, not invite someone who's going to take the piss out of gaming. All that does is validate what people already think, because that's what you asked this famous person to do.
Also someone tell me why you made it three hours when you really had about 90 minutes worth of genuine content. I liked Joel because he trolled this show that was really a lot more awkward and boring than it had any right to be, but if you had created a more interesting show then the Jeff Winger act would've been unnecessary.
abrack08
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I think you're supposed to say that after someone else says "Joel sure was something, wasn't he?" or something to that effect. Doesn't work in this context.
chubigans
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I saw him recently on TV hosting the syndicated show "Let's Ask America"
http://letsaskamerica.tv/page/2013/07/25/meet-our-host/
It was kind of weird, but glad he's not totally giving up on his video gaming roots (though by the time he hosted Attack of the Show, he'd branched out into a variety of things unrelated to gaming).
Mononoke
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Thing is, the entire show was bad from top to bottom. Even if you took Joel out of the equation, it would have been really bad. So for a lot of people, Joel not giving a shit because the shows production was a disaster, made it hilarious. They would rather watch someone acknowledge a show is poorly put together, vs. try to sell it like it's something great and epic (like past VGA's).
But I agree Joel was actually bad (well IMO he was). The jokes were terrible (some of them weren't written by him, and were written by the people running the show). But even the stuff that wasn't on the teleprompter was just obnoxious. But I still blame that on the shows formatting, and questionable decision to give Joel nothing to do.
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Gained quite a bit of respect for Geoff from this. He always seems so mechanical to me when I see him as a presenter but this interview shows how passionate he really is about what he does; awesome stuff.
Kevin Pereira making bad gaming jokes about gamers:
"Dust off your dorito dust off your shirt and clean red code spit off monitor"
"I don't think flashlight can advertise"
I am getting sick of being marginalized as a gamer with this shit. When people in the industry make the same jokes, it's a real problem. I'm not a 19 year-old in my mothers basement, I'm a successful 31 year old professional that lives in my own bought home.
"Dust off your dorito dust off your shirt and clean red code spit off monitor"
"I don't think flashlight can advertise"
I am getting sick of being marginalized as a gamer with this shit. When people in the industry make the same jokes, it's a real problem. I'm not a 19 year-old in my mothers basement, I'm a successful 31 year old professional that lives in my own bought home.
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Haven't finished the podcast yet, but I got the impression that a lot of people somehow magically want the funding and perks that come with partnerships with companies and none of the downsides. Geoff is saying that he understands gamers don't want some tacky Halo 4 cut-out or a Doritos Tacos Game Break or whatever, but he has to do these things to deliver the "exclusives" and stage presentations that gamers always salivate for.
Took some shots at NeoGAF a few times too lol but don't take it personally. Kevin's a gamer too and he knows gamers listen to his podcasts. They're just jokes.
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I don't take the gaming industry SUPER SERIOUS like a lot of people seem to around here and it's great to see someone break the standard "How awesome is your game? So Awesome" PR interviews. But I guess all some people want is that.
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I love the honesty, you know...call me crazy, but Geoff really cares about games. This was very down to earth and I think we should be supporting him.
Kinda gives me the impression that Kevin isn't a GAFfer. His position in the general media probably makes him look at NeoGAF negatively since a lot of what we do is criticize...well...people working in the media.
But this is the bullshit that is bringing down the recognition and legitimization of my hobby. Self defacing humour is also exactly what hurt VGX. Self defacing humour is funny when majority realize it's a joke. It's not when that's what everyone thinks.
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Why is this an issue!? Why does Geoff continue to try to push this into the mainstream when it really does not have that effect right now?
Learn to crawl before you walk, and all that. Once gamers stop seeing it as a complete butt of a joke, then you can worry about the mainstream.
Savitar
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Kevin Pereira is still around?
Who knew.
My favorite moment with him was on Screensavers when a fan said how much he liked Kevin Rose and hated that other Kevin who was standing a few feet away.
Who knew.
My favorite moment with him was on Screensavers when a fan said how much he liked Kevin Rose and hated that other Kevin who was standing a few feet away.
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Read more threads on this site. And honestly, I've seen way worse than GAF. People will stop making these jokes when they stop applying so well.
BananasWithGuns
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I don't get these kind of responses. Geoff's job is to run a show. To do that he needs the help of developers and publishers. If they have no demos or trailers to show then nobody is going to watch. Everyone knows that. He's not going to sit there and blast people in the ass when they took the time to make a demo or a trailer just for his show.
It's like if a talk show host had an actor or musician on their show then proceeded to say how terrible their movie/music is. You're not going to get guests doing that.
Besides, it's not as though anything at VGX looked particularly bad. It's not like they were showing off something like Rogue Warrior and Geoff started gushing about how amazing it is. I just don't see the big deal in Geoff playing nice with the developers when they're all taking the time to either create content for his show or be there in person.
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Because people who clearly disliked Joel's apparent lack of interest in VGX or any of the games on display want 3 hours of 'PR Blowjob' or 'SUPER SERIOUS' But hey keep punching those strawmen, champ.
People wanted funding and perks that come with partnerships of non-gaming companies. With regards to gaming companies, your words cut both ways. Journalists can't have all the benefits that come with advertising money of the product they claim to be objective on and retain their integrity. You want to get those exclusives that people care about? Go for it, but don't try to tell me you're an objective journalist I can trust. You're a marketer at that point.
Also, he repeatedly says that gamers were pushing back against outside advertising when that simply wasn't the point. The Doritos and Dew were just icing, tools to make funny images to symbolize that he's an advertiser more than anything else. The only thing people object to with regards to those brands are the tired stereotypical jokes written for every VGAs for the last decade.
And that's why the entire Dorito Pope thing was immature idiocy, which wasn't Geoff's doing.
The VGX fiasco was his doing though as an exec producer.
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Thanks for the quote bro.
Yeah, this is like the first honest interview I heard about himself. Grew up playing those Sierra games too, lol.