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Killzone 3 Beta Details (Starts 10/25, requires PS+, only 10k spots open)
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fortified_concept
Banned
After playing the beta I went back to Killzone 2 today. Jesus Christ they CODtardified the game way more than I thought. Fuck off Guerilla I'm not buying this one unless there are some huge changes. KZ2's multiplayer will remain the best of this generation it seems.
alr1ghtstart said:
But mostly because you're all dumb fucks.
Filters are so hard!
Also Tactician is broken as fuck.
I got like 20 kills with the airbot (ZOMG MORE USEFUL THAN KILLZONE 2's!) in the jetpack map having the enemy spawn at the high-point tact spawn and trying to bomb USF or whatever the non-nazi team's site was. Camping behind cover and sniping them with a dead snipers rifle in addition. Brutal.
Zen said:
Not all of them. The spawn/tactical insertions still fucking suck. All you need to do is get bots and airbots in the air on the dam/winter map that's open (non-DM variant) and hold the "third" tactical spawn. After that, they have to funnel through three holes. You can pretty much hold the enemy team in the "water"/beach area at that point despite them having two tactical spawns there. Having grenades like KZ2 would solve this problem if they got out, but KZ2's issue was that players would camp those grenades and get free kills.
Basically, they should just out the spawns all together and have the traditional "weighted spawn" system in place. It sucks, but it works in general with less bullshit.
That said, who's bright idea was giving spot and mark to tacticians? I've been abusing the hell out of that with bots since maxing airbots tonight. It's given me wayyyyy too much advantage on knowing where to put bots in hot-spots. (Yes, I know they're fixing spot and mark to where people won't show up outside that 30 meter scan like KZ2 had, but let me enjoy it's brokenness right now)
Honestly, I haven't used any other classes since getting Tact to max. Getting the spawns within a few seconds + idiots not taking out the sentries = free points for me.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Isn't that pretty much the same with EVERY game that features vehicles? People always rush toward the tank/airplane/mech/etcdorkimoe said:
One thing I really like about the beta is the attention that has been paid to limiting the cluster fuck-ness of the experience. Decreasing the amount of grenades, RPG ammo, and explosives in general (combined with the lowered player counts) are all welcome additions. The core gunplay (More recoil, please!) and map design (Capture and Hold Spawn points - Can you not even spawn at captured areas anymore?) could use some work, but there is a lot that's pretty good about this beta. The classes are a dramatic improvement over Killzone 2 (locking classes to specific badges and removing the 'Heavy' from Killzone 2 that had extra health, and the run really fast spam AND the heavy weapons? Sounds good to me).
I can't wait for a map that allows for both jetpacks and the EXO.
I can't wait for a map that allows for both jetpacks and the EXO.
Zen said:
on the contrary, the situation is worse now in KZ3 since we have...
- more classes that can use rockets
- mechs with infinite rockets
- 3 grenades / c4 = grenades and c4 everywhere
- grenade launchers
- infiltrators with unlimited stamina + sprint = worse than KZ2 boost
- full health regeneration, rendering medics useless
Lagspike_exe
Member
Arnie said:
It has nothing to do with the alpha "stamp", but with the fact that we don't know when this build was made. It wasn't made yesterday and this isn't the version of the game currently running in Guerrilla HQ.
KZ2 was tested in a similar time frame and was hugely more polished than this.
Lince said:
Grenade issue is quite pronounced. They either need to reduce them to 2 per person or to introduce a new skill allowing for 3 grenades.
Plus they have the Spy from TF2's ability to no longer decloak on melee + shooting someone + turrets can't fire on them while disguised while max. trollface.jpg at that.
Uh... you only regen to 80 if you were destroyed to 20% I've played rounds with 80% health and wondered where the fuck a medic blood pack was.
The grenade issue isn't too bad as I haven't seen people abusing them like Call of Duty. But that's probably because NO ONE FLIPPING REPAIRS THE AMMO CRATES. But yeah, giving 2 more to someone for stepping to an ammo crate is "Uh...?"
beast786 said:
Pfft. Did you not see my post about locking the enemy team in on the Winter Dam map?
GG needs to make better maps and spawn points and give players multiple routes out of a place so they don't get boxed in. It's completely common on the highway map and dam map right now. The jetpack map has the ability, but it isn't as common as generally people are rushing for jetpacks and getting out/mobile so the other team can't box them in.
It's completely possible to box in the enemy team in KZ2 (haven't played the DLC, can't say for those), meanwhile.
That said, if the bots are actually goddamn deadly if someone gets into your spawn for once (unlike KZ2), GOOD.
user friendly
Member
Faith restoring.
TacticalFox88
Banned
I wonder if it will be the complete opposite of KZ2
KZ2 Beta-HOLYFUCKAWESOMEBESTFPSEVAR!!!
KZ2 Release-HOLYSHITWTFISTHISSHIT!?
KZ3 Beta-HOLYSHITWTFISTHISSHIT!?
KZ3 Release-HOLYSHITAWESOMEBESTFPSEVAR!
KZ2 Beta-HOLYFUCKAWESOMEBESTFPSEVAR!!!
KZ2 Release-HOLYSHITWTFISTHISSHIT!?
KZ3 Beta-HOLYSHITWTFISTHISSHIT!?
KZ3 Release-HOLYSHITAWESOMEBESTFPSEVAR!
alr1ghtstart said:
it's clear Guerrilla devs want to patch in the changes for us to test and provide further feedback since they admit it's the "ideal scenario" but at the same time they state they're not allowed to do so... that's just weird. Maybe they need to go through Sony QA for every patch they want to release and Sony simply denied them further QA time and resources for this particular beta.
Anyway, still awaiting their comments to my other concerns about medics, infiltrators, C4 spamming, custom games, filters for matchmaking, improved p2p host selection and host rating, framerate, spawn on squad leaders and a billion other things.
x2!!!user friendly said:
I also thought I heard it was very difficult for them to add in more TSP's but obviously that's not the case. Very awesome.
And who's idea is it to restrict any further patches to the beta? WTF is that about? Sony's fault or heads at GG? They want to keep the beta going for the game's sake.
makingmusic476
Member
Lince, do you have a link to the specific thread that response is from on the beta forums? I'd love to read exactly what he was responding to.
makingmusic476 said:
that's a compilation of replies from the different threads I posted in, seems like acidcatfish took the time to reply in all of them today!
I guess everything started with the epic feedback that was posted yesterday, seems like that made them react somehow and felt obliged to reply. Anyway, since the beta forums are such a mess you better start from page 2-3 of the feedback section and look for the threads with new replies added today. You'll find the original discussions there.
StealthGoblin
Banned
Lince said:
Now this is what I like to hear. Didn't mention about the lower health though, but what he mentioned is great news.
fortified_concept
Banned
Lince said:
Thank God. Personally I'm willing to accept a looooong delay for the game if that means that they will fix the MP.
Lagspike_exe
Member
Lince said:
More like alpha to gold jump.
paperheart
Banned
I knew they would listen to feedback. GG won't disappoint. I'm sure of it.
I (tentatively) agree, but we'll see!
- The larger level size in conjunction with lower player counts
- Overall better/more entrances to things like demolition points
- No Spawn grenades being thrown 10 feet in front of the objective and then camped, or dynamic spans being placed and then both teams just spawning/dying as they run into a small room that's a total death zone from 15 minutes until the objective ends.
- The Rocket Launcher starting out with 1 shot and having to reload at the ammo crates
- The overall faster pace discouraging rocket spam as a tactic, unlike the 32 player Killzone 2 rocket enabled shitfests on Radec or [insert almost any map here that wasn't part of the DLC packs].
We can agree to disagree, but aiming/level design aside, I've had a much smoother experience with the beta than the types of things that went on in Killzone 2.
Lince said:
- The larger level size in conjunction with lower player counts
- Overall better/more entrances to things like demolition points
- No Spawn grenades being thrown 10 feet in front of the objective and then camped, or dynamic spans being placed and then both teams just spawning/dying as they run into a small room that's a total death zone from 15 minutes until the objective ends.
- The Rocket Launcher starting out with 1 shot and having to reload at the ammo crates
- The overall faster pace discouraging rocket spam as a tactic, unlike the 32 player Killzone 2 rocket enabled shitfests on Radec or [insert almost any map here that wasn't part of the DLC packs].
We can agree to disagree, but aiming/level design aside, I've had a much smoother experience with the beta than the types of things that went on in Killzone 2.
dorkimoe
Member
Finally played a warzone match and here is my two cents about the mechs
they spawn way to much/fast. I was thinking i was going to see 1 per match and once it died it would be gone, so it would be impossible for me to ever use one. everytime one died another would almost instantly spawn. do not want.
they should also slow down the machine gun on it, or have the aiming a little slower. little to unbalanced, i understand its a mech but if you are going to have one spawn every 2 minutes then they should be more balanced.
I would say just remove the mechs, i would rather them be in just the bodycount matches then warzone. made for going for the objectives near impossible
they spawn way to much/fast. I was thinking i was going to see 1 per match and once it died it would be gone, so it would be impossible for me to ever use one. everytime one died another would almost instantly spawn. do not want.
they should also slow down the machine gun on it, or have the aiming a little slower. little to unbalanced, i understand its a mech but if you are going to have one spawn every 2 minutes then they should be more balanced.
I would say just remove the mechs, i would rather them be in just the bodycount matches then warzone. made for going for the objectives near impossible
makingmusic476
Member
Talk here has been non-existent since GT5 came out.
Imagine if GT5 hadn't been delayed. :lol
Imagine if GT5 hadn't been delayed. :lol
Lince said:
wow thats really promising to hear. But they not updating the beta and test out the changes is a risk IMO. Hope they come through at the end and the release game is glorious!
By the way I played another session this weekend and finally got in a balanced match with 8vs8 (both teams were actually working for the objectives, no K/D whoring). And I can tell you despite the recoil, low health issues etc, problems that we have been complaining on here and official forums, I really enjoyed the game. And there was little to no lag for some reason. Which helped a lot to say the least. If they fix the core problems and have some well designed maps, this game will be a winner.
European Killzone 3 editions detailed!
http://www.killzone.com/kz3/en_US/blog/news/2010-11-30_helghast-edition_eu.html
KZObsessed
Member
I'll probably just get the "steelbook" edition to go with my KZ1/KZ2 "steelbooks" 
Looks like just the Standard and Higg edition for the US.
Looks like just the Standard and Higg edition for the US.