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Knives Out trailer - Rian Johnson's murder mystery

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Movie was very good and very funny. I laughed a lot and laughed out loud. It's an interesting story, not your typical murder mystery. The cast was all great and I'd love to see Daniel Craig reprise this role. And damn Chris Evan's was great.
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Sharing a review I found that made me laugh, flick sounds like something I would expect from Roundhead, beware spoilers:

Knives Out: Interracial cuck porn in the form of a murder mystery.

A boomer contrives to have his entire fortune passed down to his Latina live-in nurse instead of his actual progeny. We're supposed to find them despicable for being upset about this.

The progressive stack is rigorously observed. The one charismatic white man is of course the killer. The other white men are weak, ineffective, greedy, and stupid (we get an actual on screen slap fight). The white women are grasping and evil, but get some grace notes that were denied to the white men. No hispanic character gets a negative character trait, and the primary one is basically a saint.

This isn't me projecting racial intent. The movie drags racial issues to the foreground over and over again. It even features an on screen immigration debate. The movie ends with the hispanic saint standing on a balcony looking down on all the white people, a blanket draped over her shoulders like a cloak, sipping from a coffee cup emblazoned "my house, my rules."

Rian Johnson's subvert your expectations schtick works better in a mystery than an action movie, but he turned the woke dial up to MAX for this one.
 

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Every Rian film suffers with bad dialogue and I think he could desperately use a co-writer. But he’s also a good conceptual filmmaker, so it’ll be interesting to see how this turns out.
He is the kojima of film making.
 
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This will be a pointless discussion because yet again it's a situation where I have seen the film and I'm just replying to someone who hasn't seen the film and they haven't formed their own opinion.

This forum really is an echo chamber in a way, ya'll read shit to confirm your agendas and biases. Don't want to read or watching something that might challenge your sensibilities.
 
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This forum really is an echo chamber in a way, ya'll read shit to confirm your agendas and biases. Don't want to read or watching something that might challenge your sensibilities.
Without exception, every single time I've seen the "This forum is an echo chamber.." line wheeled out, it's from someone who isn't getting the validation they believe their opinion deserves.
 

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Without exception, every single time I've seen the "This forum is an echo chamber.." line wheeled out, it's from someone who isn't getting the validation they believe their opinion deserves.
Nah, I'm just sick of people posting reviews as if to say "told ya so" without seeing the film themselves and forming their own opinion.

As for validation, if I really need that, it's getting great critic and audience scores on Rottentomatoes, Metacritic and Letterbox'd.
 

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Nah, I'm just sick of people posting reviews as if to say "told ya so" without seeing the film themselves and forming their own opinion.
Who said "told ya so" lol? I was sharing an opinion that made me laugh, and would be similar to my own, that is from a trusted source whom I know to have similar tastes to my own.

The facts about the movie listed in the review I posted are not really up for debate, are they? You didn't dispute anything it said. I would have had a similar take on those things. If that was from me and not the reviewer, you just would have said that I was the one posting hate and rage, and that my life is the miserable one because I'm obsessed with these topics. You observably have a problem with people not liking things on a woke basis across multiple threads, you reply to almost anyone who critiques something on a woke basis.
 
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I saw a murder mystery film, not a woke fest. The characters were all hilariously over the top.
 

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Eh, I saw the movie too and despise how elements on the left/right are eager to find propaganda in art.

But that review is right in that it looks to stack negative traits on the characters based on their position on the oppression ladder. Daniel Craig is the only character who escapes the formula.

And it does inject bits of real-life politics into the movie; there’s no question which side is meant to be right and which side is meant to be wrong. Fortunately it didn’t take over the entire two hours and the movie is actually okay.

But after seeing this, TLJ and Looper I’m close to declaring Rian a talented hack.
 

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My take is that the film pokes fun at both sides of the fence and any scene that involved them whinging about politics was hilarious. You certainly aren't meant to take any of it seriously, all the arguments are set up to be presented as humor. They put a lot of shit on the SJW kid.
 

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This will be a pointless discussion because yet again it's a situation where I have seen the film and I'm just replying to someone who hasn't seen the film and they haven't formed their own opinion.

This forum really is an echo chamber in a way, ya'll read shit to confirm your agendas and biases. Don't want to read or watching something that might challenge your sensibilities.
By this logic I need to read the Communist Manifesto before I understand communism and "challenge my sensibilities".

But in all seriousness, the guy directed like two Breaking Bad episodes, and one was experimental and pretty good and the other one was some of the best TV I've ever seen, so he does deserve credit as a director.
 
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Watched it on Wednesday and enjoyed it throughout. But the main villain reveal wasn't as surprising as it should have been. Chris Evans has always been an idiot in my opinion.
 

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the thought of paying to see one smug rich millionaire directing other smug rich millionaires in a story about how smug rich millionaires are bad is just too much, LOL, good luck mining that woke Hollywood gold Rian, making movies about how people like you are bad.
 

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My take is that the film pokes fun at both sides of the fence and any scene that involved them whinging about politics was hilarious. You certainly aren't meant to take any of it seriously, all the arguments are set up to be presented as humor. They put a lot of shit on the SJW kid.
It definitely doesn’t poke fun at both sides. One character literally brings up SJWs and that character is morally one of the worst in the movie.

Even if it were true that the movie was fair - and it isn’t - that’s not the point. I’m not looking for a murder mystery film to “speak truth to power.” There’s a difference between propaganda and art.
 
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Entertaining film. I was never bored. Solid, almost great.

Love the cast.

If TLJ had never happened (which I don’t hate as much as most do), RJ would probably be widely considered a legitimately good filmmaker
I'm pretty sure he is still considered a legitimately good film maker within the industry. Man, I couldn't stop laughing when Daniel Craig kept on talking about donuts towards the end of the film.
 
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It definitely doesn’t poke fun at both sides. One character literally brings up SJWs and that character is morally one of the worst in the movie.

Even if it were true that the movie was fair - and it isn’t - that’s not the point. I’m not looking for a murder mystery film to “speak truth to power.” There’s a difference between propaganda and art.
It definitely does poke at both sides. The character he refers to as SJW betrayed a person the minute money is involved and all her supposed values go out the window. Which was definitely poking at performative woke liberals.
 

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It definitely does poke at both sides. The character he refers to as SJW betrayed a person the minute money is involved and all her supposed values go out the window. Which was definitely poking at performative woke liberals.
Yeah, I'm totally sure that was his intention. Not simply establishing that woke morals are the best but some people don't follow them trully for selfish reasons.








Yeah, I'm sure Rian is the type to make a movie that totally pokes fun at both sides, that's why SJW are so happy with it, right? Because it totally pokes fun at both sides.
 
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Yeah, I'm totally sure that was his intention. Not simply establishing that woke morals are the best but some people don't follow them trully for selfish reasons.








Yeah, I'm sure Rian is the type to make a movie that totally pokes fun at both sides, that's why SJW are so happy with it, right? Because it totally pokes fun at both sides.
What was his intention then in your opinion? Have you seen the film?
 

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Yeah, I'm totally sure that was his intention. Not simply establishing that woke morals are the best but some people don't follow them trully for selfish reasons.








Yeah, I'm sure Rian is the type to make a movie that totally pokes fun at both sides, that's why SJW are so happy with it, right? Because it totally pokes fun at both sides.
Rian sure comes off like a total bitch. Another reason not to see anything hes involved in.
 
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It definitely does poke at both sides. The character he refers to as SJW betrayed a person the minute money is involved and all her supposed values go out the window. Which was definitely poking at performative woke liberals.
Yes, she betrays the trust of the pure women of color at the behest of her evil white family and the two make amends near the end.
She’s not quite high enough on the oppression ladder to skate all negative attributes.

Anyway, the point is that most people, I assume, aren’t looking for a film to make political statements. It doesn’t need to come down on one side or the other, nor sit squarely in the middle casting aspersions equally in the name of fairness. Again, there’s a difference between propaganda and art.
 

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Yes, she betrays the trust of the pure women of color at the behest of her evil white family and the two make amends near the end.
She’s not quite high enough on the oppression ladder to skate all negative attributes.

Anyway, the point is that most people, I assume, aren’t looking for a film to make political statements. It doesn’t need to come down on one side or the other, nor sit squarely in the middle casting aspersions equally in the name of fairness. Again, there’s a difference between propaganda and art.
I'm not sure why you need to mention woman of colour and white family. I mean there have been hundreds of films that have been made that have involved rich white arseholes. The majority of these films also involve a while lead, either male or female. Why do you have such negative tone and disdain just because the main character is someone of colour?

Would you be happier and more accepting if the story was about a white house keeper and the SJW daughter / family was protecting her mother from doing something illegal rather than being an illegal immigrant?
 
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I saw this movie tonight. I thought it was great. Apart from the a few on the nose references to alt-right and trump the whole movie was not some virtue signalling cringe fest and has a universal appeal. Rich family are assholes. News at 11. But I find the description of Ana De Armas as a 'person of colour' to be utterly ridiculous. She is a cuban of Spanish descent. If she came directly from Spain, or even France or Italy she would be described as white. It does not matter to the story, Marta's character was wonderful. Maybe it is just best to recognise all people as persons, full stop.
 
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Totally underrepresented genre - psychological thrillers and mysteries are my favorite. When I read the descriptions I was stoked, but like others said, that trailer's dialogue and tone didn't do anything for me. And some of the delivery of the lines was way over the top. It's a shame, because there needs to me more thrillers/mysteries in general.
 
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This was pretty good. Could've been better, but it was really entertaining once it really started going.

The beginning of the movie was bad. I couldn't get into it at all and wondered if it's going to be this uninteresting for the whole movie, but after maybe 20 minutes or so it got very interesting.

Sadly a lot of the characters were pretty thin and it wasn't really the type of a movie where everyone really is a suspect and you get time to wonder who's the killer. It goes to a whole another direction.
 
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Apart from the a few on the nose references to alt-right and trump the whole movie was not some virtue signalling cringe fest and has a universal appeal. Rich family are assholes. News at 11. But I find the description of Ana De Armas as a 'person of colour' to be utterly ridiculous. She is a cuban of Spanish descent. If she came directly from Spain, or even France or Italy she would be described as white. It does not matter to the story, Marta's character was wonderful. Maybe it is just best to recognise all people as persons, full stop.

Yeah, if we dismiss and ignore all the political bias and indoctrination of the movie, then the movie will not have any political bias or indoctrination!
 
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Yeah, if we dismiss and ignore all the political bias and indoctrination of the movie, then the movie will not have any political bias or indoctrination!
I'm not really sure what movie you watched but I certainly didn't see any indoctrination within it's time frame. There are probably 3 main scenes where the whole Trump/immigration .... thing comes up.

Near the start of the film we have Harlan Thromby basically spewing exposition at the audience to explain what Marta's situation is with her mother. There is a scene where the whole family is arguing about illegal immigrants, there are members on the left and on the right, the scene is played up for laughs. And lastly a scene with Walt in the hall way threatening Marta with having her mother arrested and deported.

Obviously this does flow through the film as it's part of the story line but the film primarily stick to the murder mystery and trying to solve the case. Like I mentioned, the family has various political viewpoints and they are all a bunch of arse holes. The reason they are arse hole is because they are greedy, self centered and want their fathers money. It has nothing to do with politics at all and .......
if Marta was for example a white female, they'd still find out any dirt on her to get her out of the picture.
 

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Yeah, if we dismiss and ignore all the political bias and indoctrination of the movie, then the movie will not have any political bias or indoctrination!
I take it you haven't seen the movie.

If it's anything, it's more of a "both sides" movie politically. One person calls another person he's an alt-right nazi troll in a manner that's very clearly an "unhinged sjw" caricature. Another person gets to say something quite right-leaning about illegal immigrants. If her yelling "alt-right nazi" can be seen as political bias or indoctrination, then you could tell the same about the guy who talks about illegal immigrants too. You could as well say that this movie supports conservative immigrant politics because a character says the US shouldn't be for people entering there illegally.
 
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Yeah, I'm totally sure that was his intention. Not simply establishing that woke morals are the best but some people don't follow them trully for selfish reasons.








Yeah, I'm sure Rian is the type to make a movie that totally pokes fun at both sides, that's why SJW are so happy with it, right? Because it totally pokes fun at both sides.
God i hate this cunt...
 

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You could as well say that this movie supports conservative immigrant politics because a character says the US shouldn't be for people entering there illegally
Is that character generally portrayed negatively or positively just out of curiosity?
 

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Is that character generally portrayed negatively or positively just out of curiosity?
Well they are all rich elitists who are smug in one way or another.
It's pretty hard to say anything about it to not spoil the plot.

There is a secret he doesn't want to get out and that's what's first played as what would be his motivation to commit a murder.

But there is this twist quite early on in the movie that puts things a bit upside down and it's hard to say much about any person's possible negative portrayals without spoiling at least some of it.

Hmm... I'll write it to the next post so that if anyone wants to quote this post wouldn't accidentally see the spoiler.
 
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Here's the first plot twist of the movie (see my above post for my reasons to post this here):

The first question is if the old dead man really killed himself or if he was actually murdered. Turns out he really did kill himself after the main character who is his caretaker and his nurse accidentally gave him wrong stuff too much and it's too late to reverse the certain death that will soon happen. He likes her and hates his family so much that he kills himself to cover for the accident, and he instructs her to do certain things to cover her tracks. Because her mother is an illegal immigrant she decides to proceed with the plot because if she gets caught of having caused his death, her mother will certainly be in a whole lot of trouble. From that point on the plot is about her trying to hide all the evidence while the investigation is going on, and what makes it tougher is that she is unable to lie because everytime she lies her stomach goes crazy and she has to vomit. It's also revealed that the dead man left all his relatives out from his will and made the caretaker the only heir of his fortunes. So while she is trying to cover her tracks, the dead man's relatives are trying to have the caretaker denounce the will and give the inheritance back to the them.


That said, to answer Nymphae's question:
He is claimed to have an extramarital affair and the old dead man had said to him he knows about it and he has proof of it and that's initially the motive for him being the possible murderer. This is his biggest negative portrayal outside of being someone who supports tougher immigration politics (if you want to see that as a negative thing).

Now what comes to the "sjw" character, she does not end up being a clean character either. A lot of these people end up letting greed take the best of them, no matter what their political leaning is. And as I said, pretty much all of them are smug in one way or another.


Don't let these spoilers from the first half or so of the film be too big spoilers (as in making you think there's nothing left to see after knowing that twist) as there will be other twists and turns, and especially right after what I said in the first spoiler is shown it's actually pretty hilarious and tense to watch the story go forward.

I must say though, the movie could've been a lot better. I think there are several characters who don't really get used in the plot much at all, and the first 10-20 minutes was tough to watch as I didn't seem to get in the movie at all. It got much better after that and at it's best it was really good and funny, but I think they could've gone much further with the idea.
 
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I take it you haven't seen the movie.

If it's anything, it's more of a "both sides" movie politically. One person calls another person he's an alt-right nazi troll in a manner that's very clearly an "unhinged sjw" caricature. Another person gets to say something quite right-leaning about illegal immigrants. If her yelling "alt-right nazi" can be seen as political bias or indoctrination, then you could tell the same about the guy who talks about illegal immigrants too. You could as well say that this movie supports conservative immigrant politics because a character says the US shouldn't be for people entering there illegally.
I don't need to see the movie. I know who the director is (A crazy feminist & SJW) and I know that SJW all over are praising it for being the perfect movie against Trump and his evil supporters.

It's impossible that is a “both sides” movie when it's only one side the one who is happy with it.