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Koch network considers supporting Democrats in revamp of influence operation

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The Koch network is shaking up how it tries to influence Washington heading into 2020, starting with plans to spend money to reelect lawmakers from either party who back its issues and are facing primary challenges.
Once a pro-Republican electoral powerhouse, the network that was long led by Charles and David Koch has made major changes to the way it operates in recent years, focusing more on policy and philanthropy and even renaming itself Stand Together to reflect its less political tone. As part of this transition, Americans for Prosperity, the policy and political arm of the network, is retooling for the 2020 election cycle.
Some — but definitely not all — of the group’s policy plans may intrigue Democrats. For instance, one of the Koch network's top priorities is extending protection to Dreamers; its stance on that issue has sometimes been met with pushback from its own donors. Under its new approach, the network says it will help defend incumbent lawmakers in primaries, encouraging lawmakers to be less risk-averse and work together on Koch-backed policies.
The moves are designed to enable the network to further its priorities and, in the words of a new memo, “elevate civil discourse” in Washington and elsewhere. The network will also start four new PACs focused on policy issues to reward lawmakers that are in step with Koch policy. Though the network has changed, it still has the ability to pour millions into television ads and knock on thousands of doors to help candidates, in addition to donating directly to their campaigns.
“We expect policymakers to unite people and build coalitions. We’re committed to forging a new way forward with political discourse,” said Emily Seidel, CEO of Americans for Prosperity, said in an interview. “We’re excited for how this new approach will help policymakers work together.”

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The Koch name rose to infamy in the past decade due to their influence on the Republican party via the Tea Party movement as well as their financial ties with Fox News.

How do you view this new (potential) development? Would you support candidates backed by the Koch conglomerate, or is this an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation, due to the circumstances of civil war within the Democrat party?
 

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I wonder how many leftists who used to act like the "koch brothers" were the right wing boogeyman of politics and the cause of all of America's problems will now start singing a new tune.

I'm already seeing democrats quote the Cato Institute, and that always makes me laugh
 

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I wonder how many leftists who used to act like the "koch brothers" were the right wing boogeyman of politics and the cause of all of America's problems will now start singing a new tune.

I'm already seeing democrats quote the Cato Institute, and that always makes me laugh
100% of them, guaranteed.
 

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I wonder how many young, dumb, Liberals believe this is because the Koch's have had a sudden change of heart on all political issues. Nothing to do with establishment crony ism.
 

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I wonder how many young, dumb, Liberals believe this is because the Koch's have had a sudden change of heart on all political issues. Nothing to do with establishment crony ism.
It sounds to me like they are defending pro-immigration Republicans, which actually fits what many liberals believe. One side wants cheap workers; the other wants more voters.
 

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These koch brothers are as crooked as they come and they will go whatever way the wind is blowing. They supported conservatism when that was the prevailing sentiment, and now they take the moderate left route because that is the trendy thing for corporations to follow. They are one of the problems with American politics, always swaying and tipping public opinion for corporate interest while not solving any of the social problems they generate, like illegal immigration, crime and poverty.

They hate Trump because they can't control him, who for all his personal failings, seem to care more about the well being of the nation than these corporate loyalists do.
 
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Um people.

They want to keep the far left policy ideas under ground. If they were in the same house district, they would rather get Biden elected than AOC.

Their aim is to support pro corporate moderate Democrats, over further left Democrats.
 
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Um people.

They want to keep the far left policy ideas under ground. If they were in the same house district, they would rather get Biden elected than AOC.

Their aim is to support pro corporate moderate Democrats, over further left Democrats.
It's delusional. The far left is becoming mainstream. Those moderate democrats are dying of old age.
 

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Um people.

They want to keep the far left policy ideas under ground. If they were in the same house district, they would rather get Biden elected than AOC.

Their aim is to support pro corporate moderate Democrats, over further left Democrats.
😂😂😂 Uhhh....no shit. That's the problem. It's a direct contradiction to all the talk from leftists that they opposed the Koch brothers. Apparently they are a good influence on politics when the money flows to your party
 
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😂😂😂 Uhhh....no shit. That's the problem. It's a direct contradiction to all the talk from leftists that they opposed the Koch brothers. Apparently they are a good influence on politics when the money flows to your party
What leftists? The moderate dems don't even like the smoke brothers either.

As for politicians, not the people, money talks.
 
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What leftists? The moderate dems don't even like the smoke brothers either.

As for politicians, not the people, money talks.
"What leftists"

Is this the part where we pretend democratic socialism and left-wing politics aren't popular in the democratic party?

The "moderate" democrats might say they don't like them, but I don't see them turning down the money
 
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I don't see how money from the Koch network elevates the political discourse in the US. People like Pres. Trump and Bernie Sanders have an audience because a lot of Americans are looking to drain the swamp.
 
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"What leftists"

Is this the part where we pretend democratic socialism and left-wing politics aren't popular in the democratic party?

The "moderate" democrats might say they don't like them, but I don't see them turning down the money
Corprorate Democrats who don't have to go further right to get the money, will take the money. Hopefully for them it's worth it because it's gonna be a problem.
 
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Corprorate Democrats who don't have to go further right to get the money, will take the money. Hopefully for them it's worth it because it's gonna be a problem.
Who in the Democrat party do you think will hold them responsible? As in, if establishment Democrats take Koch money, how should that be handled in your opinion?

As an aside, I find it interesting how Koch used the up-and-coming Tea Party Movement to subvert the Republican party yet is using establishment Democrats to... subvert the Democrats?

And the Democrats' own "Tea Party" (the Justice Democrats) will most likely be the only ones within the party to oppose them.
 

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Who in the Democrat party do you think will hold them responsible? As in, if establishment Democrats take Koch money, how should that be handled in your opinion?

As an aside, I find it interesting how Koch used the up-and-coming Tea Party Movement to subvert the Republican party yet is using establishment Democrats to... subvert the Democrats?

And the Democrats' own "Tea Party" (the Justice Democrats) will most likely be the only ones within the party to oppose them.
Koch is a boogeyman to much of the left. The amount of people they'd target is small I think. Even Corey Booker before he ran didn't fit the MO and he's a corporatist through and through. So basically, I wouldn't give Koch too much hype on these efforts.
 

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Elites are all the establishment politicians in DC... They get money from PACs and other lobbyists to keep things business as usual. They don't want change.
 

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Koch is a boogeyman to much of the left. The amount of people they'd target is small I think. Even Corey Booker before he ran didn't fit the MO and he's a corporatist through and through. So basically, I wouldn't give Koch too much hype on these efforts.
When you say "Koch is a boogeyman", are you handwaving the real impact they had on the Republican party?
 

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The Koch brothers and Soros are two peas in a pod. They're both seen as the Boogeyman and both feared for "turning America into an unrecognizable place"...

The fact is, money in politics corrupts absolutely and it seems many don't even care. They don't WANT change... Just a status quo.
 

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The Kochs have always been for open borders because illegal immigrants make good slaves, lower wages, and undermine unionization.
 
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Are we just throwing random images now? I got one for you.



And how about this one?
Hey I wasn't the one saying there's only one party for the elite.
Also, those pictures look like something a random grandma in the US would post on Facebook
 
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Koch Bros have supported Dems for years in fact they are one of the main contributors to NPR. It makes sense if you want to use money to influence politics that you wouldn’t throw all your eggs in one basket

This is one reason mainstream media “left” is really just “corporate left”. They spread their cheeks for anyone with money
 
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Open border activists are planning to back open border activists? That's crazy talk.

one of the Koch network's top priorities is extending protection to Dreamers
I'll never understand why people think we should reward criminal foreign aliens for invading our lands.
 

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Open border activists are planning to back open border activists? That's crazy talk.



I'll never understand why people think we should reward criminal foreign aliens for invading our lands.
Because they're just kids, not adults who decided to come here.
 

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Corprorate Democrats who don't have to go further right to get the money, will take the money. Hopefully for them it's worth it because it's gonna be a problem.
Proving that democrats are hypocrites when it comes to their complaints about money in politics.
Because they're just kids, not adults who decided to come here.
Right, it's all just children 🙄
 
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As someone who leans left I still wouldn't be very comfortable with the Koch network throwing its weight behind the Democrats. I mean, it's better than backing the Republicans, who are corrupt and self-serving on levels that make the Dems seem pure by comparison, but I'd rather not have groups like that backing anyone.
 

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Hey I wasn't the one saying there's only one party for the elite.
Also, those pictures look like something a random grandma in the US would post on Facebook
Oof sorry but Pelosi is a lousy head of the Dem Representatives and needs to be replaced.
 

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Proving that democrats are hypocrites when it comes to their complaints about money in politics.

Right, it's all just children 🙄
What Democrats? They aren't all the same. Also you still gotta play the game to win. Some are willing to destroy their cash cows if everyone is playing on the same playing field.
 
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What Democrats? They aren't all the same. Also you still gotta play the game to win. Some are willing to destroy their cash cows if everyone is playing on the same playing field.
What democrats? All of them. The entire party has criticized the Koch's in the past, and have ran on campaign finance.

To pretend that, "well some do and some don't" is bullshit.

Accepting that you might not be playing "on an equal playing field" is part of having principles, which democrats claim to have. Clearly another lie
 

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What democrats? All of them. The entire party has criticized the Koch's in the past, and have ran on campaign finance.

To pretend that, "well some do and some don't" is bullshit.

Accepting that you might not be playing "on an equal playing field" is part of having principles, which democrats claim to have. Clearly another lie
Let's be more realistic. The base hates Koch, and politicians who scheme against them don't knowingly take their money. But not all dem politicians don't.

It generally takes money to win (or to get famous), so money in politics is here to stay unless there's some legislative action. Some candidates make it seem like they don't, but they still have to and wind up just limiting who they accept donations from. Publicly funded elections is a huge change, and there would be momumental super ginormous push back against it from Republicans and Democrats alike.
 

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Let's be more realistic. The base hates Koch, and politicians who scheme against them don't knowingly take their money. But not all dem politicians don't.

It generally takes money to win (or to get famous), so money in politics is here to stay unless there's some legislative action. Some candidates make it seem like they don't, but they still have to and wind up just limiting who they accept donations from. Publicly funded elections is a huge change, and there would be momumental super ginormous push back against it from Republicans and Democrats alike.
Democrats control the House. They’re free to actually do some legislating that you’re proposing here. But since 2018 it has been a lame duck House.

Get used to it. The Dems have two major factions, with no clear winner, in contention: establishments vs populists. Whereas the populists are winning in the Republican Party, mostly thanks to Trump.
 
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