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Kojima started to follow Phil Spencer on Twitter

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You know members of Playstation follow Phil Spencer too.
 
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FunkMiller said:
It’s perfectly possible for Kojima to be working on projects for both Playstation and XBox. I doubt he gives two shits about the console wars, and wants his studio to expand as much as possible.
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Whilst this is probably true. Sony are gonna look stupid after touting KojiPro as a PS STUDIO during Death Stranding. I don't care about whatever squirrelly definition they use. The average person down at GameSpot is gonna think Sony jumped the gun and then couldn't keep him/XB is stealing PS's thunder. Bad PR for no reason. Should have just used XDEV for games that are exclusive to PS+PC, or only timed exclusive, where they don't own the studio.
 
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ksdixon said:
Whilst this is probably true. Sony are gonna look stupid after touting KojiPro as a PS STUDIO during Death Stranding. I don't care about whatever squirrelly definition they use. The average person down at GameSpot is gonna think Sony jumped the gun and then couldn't keep him/XB is stealing PS's thunder. Bad PR for no reason. Should have just used XDEV for games that are exclusive to PS+PC, or only timed exclusive, where they don't own the studio.
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when, where?
 
yurinka

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I also follow Phil.

ksdixon said:
Whilst this is probably true. Sony are gonna look stupid after touting KojiPro as a PS STUDIO during Death Stranding. I don't care about whatever squirrelly definition they use. The average person down at GameSpot is gonna think Sony jumped the gun and then couldn't keep him/XB is stealing PS's thunder. Bad PR for no reason. Should have just used XDEV for games that are exclusive to PS+PC, or only timed exclusive, where they don't own the studio.
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Sony never said that KojiPro belongs to PS Sudios or Sony. They said Death Stranding is a PlayStation Studios game.

Which is true and means Sont publishes the game (and btw they own the IP). Everybody always knew KojiPro is an independent studio, and that Death Stranding is a 2nd party (which means Sony publishes it) game. Their message was clear and isn't a bad PR.

It is also clear that Kojima's next project is Death Stranding Director's Cut.
 
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yurinka said:
I also follow Phil.


Sony never said that KojiPro belongs to PS Sudios or Sony. They said Death Stranding is a PlayStation Studios game.

Which means they publish the game (and btw they own the IP). Everybody always knew KojiPro is an independent studio, and that Death Stranding is a 2nd party game. Their message was clear and isn't a bad PR.
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Sony also say 2nd party doesn't exist, and that Haven's game is the exact same as a 1sr party game like TLOU with no difference between them. Their games are both going to bare a PS STUDIOS logo afterall. Only.... Haven's game is only a timed exclusive, and will eventually move to other platforms, and Jade too may be in Kojima's position where Haven's 2nd game appears elsewhere, possibly exclusive.

I'm saying Sony are marketing stupidly, and are gonna cause confussion/loss of customer confidence for themselves later down the line. XDEV was the perfect branding for these "2nd party game deals"
 
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yurinka

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ksdixon said:
Sony also say 2nd party doesn't exist, and that Haven's game is the exact same as a 1sr party game like TLOU with no difference between them. Their games are both going to bare a PS STUDIOS logo afterall. Only.... Haven's game is only a timed exclusive, and will eventually move to other platforms, and Jade too may be in Kojima's position where Haven's 2nd game appears elsewhere, possibly exclusive.

I'm saying Sony are marketing stupidly, and are gonna cause confussion/loss of customer confidence for themselves later down the line. XDEV was the perfect branding for these "2nd party game deals"
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You're wrong.

Excluding MLB as exception because its licensor asked for it, all PlayStation Studios games will be PlayStation console exclusive forever as they always have been. This is the case of Death Stranding or Haven/Jade's game. PlayStation Studios games which means 1st party games, so means published by Sony. 1st party games include the ones developed by an insternal 1st party studio like ND or (what is known as a 2nd party game) by a an external, independent 3rd party studio like Kojipro or Haven.

The only change Sony made recently is that they decided to port a few (not all their games) old previous gen (not day one, no PS5 exclusive) games to PC to compensate that on average games are purchased at a lower price than many years ago, but the budgets of AAA games keep increaing a lot every generation, so they need some extra revenue source to compensate that. And to get some extra bucks porting old games to PC proved to be a good idea for them after testing it with Horizon and Days Gone.

2nd party game means it's a game developed by an external, independent 3rd party studio but published by a 1st party (a platform holder). 1st party game means it's a game published by the platform owner. So yes 2nd party games are 1st party games too. So yes, Detroit, Bloodborne, Death Stranding and Haven's game are all 1st party in addition to 2nd party games. People, including Sony has been using '2nd party' to highlight that a certain game is 1st party, but developed by a 3rd party (which means not owned by the platform holder) studio since the 8 bits generation. But in terms of PR they prefer to call them first party.

It's dumb to say Sony is marketing stupidly, when their consoles have been breaking gaming history records for years including best selling console launch aligned records for PS4 and PS5, biggest amount of games sold for a console across all its lifetime (over 1500 PS4 games sold), engagement (over 100M MAU), biggest amount of money made by a platform holder in a quarter or a fiscal year, social media record engamement for a gaming brand (PlayStation) on Instagram, Twitter or YouTube, their exclusives dominating the GOTY nominations and winners awards for a decade, their big exclusives selling better than ever, etc. And specially, if you're talking about Death Stranding, it's on track to be the best selling game ever made by Kojima (even if it will be only in a single console brand).

Regarding XDEV, it's their internal support team that handled publishing and communications for European teams, specially for 2nd party ones. And from now on, they will handle the 2nd party publishing of games developed globally. Santa Monica no longer will publish the 2nd party games developed in America, and Japan Studio (now known as Team Asobi) no longer will publish the 2nd party games developed in Asia. XDEV will publish and support all 2nd party games developed across the world.
 
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