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Konami, where is the Suikoden Collection?

Mr Hyde

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Suikoden was my first JRPG. I remember buying it because I wanted to prep for Final Fantasy VII, which at the time, felt like a huge and complex game for me. I was always fascinated by the genre, and that was mainly due to Final Fantasy becoming a big thing in the gaming world, but since I didn´t have a SNES, and lived in Sweden, I didn´t get many opportunities to play one. Final Fantasy didn´t release outside of US until Final Fantasy VII.

Anyway, since the Playstation was brand new, Konami saw their chance to break into the market for japanese role playing games. I remember reading an interview with one of the producers of the first two games, and he said that the higher ups of Konami had held a meeting around 93-94 where they would discuss what new games they would produce for Sonys new console. When he arrived to the meeting, the suits had written three genres on a whiteboard.

- Racing

- Racing

- RPG

The producer picked the RPG, since racing was just too boring according to him. And so he gathered a team and about a year later, Suikoden was brought to the world. And it was a damn fine RPG. The story in particular stood out, and I was so impressed with the twists and turns that unfolded, and the strong character gallery. I had never played anything like that before, my preferences at the time was platforming and action-games. I was floored by the epic adventure I was embarking on, and it captivated me like no other game had before. Suikoden quickly became my favourite game.

So when the sequel dropped, I was in the 7th heaven. It was a direct sequel, building upon the first one. It was grander, bigger, lots of new fun characters, evolved battle system and an even more engaging and well written story. The tragic tale about Jowy Atreides and the hero protagonist (you name your character in the beginning) literally had me in tears by the end. It was so good. It was the best story I´ve encountered in a video game. It dealt with mature and complex themes, about friendship and betrayal, about sacrifices and redemption. Simply, it was a masterpiece.

Sadly enough, Suikoden has never been much of a top seller. Konami produced a couple of sequels, with 3D-graphics, revamped battle mechanics and some experimenting with the franchises original premise. The series ended with Suikoden V on Playstation 2. Konami has never bothered to revisit the series outside dropping the first two on PS Classic and PSP and some spin off-games such as Tierkris.

Today we live in a age of remasters and remakes. Nostalgia is currently a strong force in the industry, feeding off on our childhood memories with new editions and collections and bundles from the past. As we all know, Konami was a power house producer of video games back in the day, with some seriously gifted talent creating some seriously good IPs. Fast forward to the current timeline and Konami is a former shadow of itself, lost in the dark with no clue how to reach sunlight yet again.

Well, a step in the right direction towards redemption would be a release of the first two Suikoden-games on current consoles. I think a collection of those two would actually sell pretty well in the current climate of video games. Not to shit on the sequels by any means, but the first two games are the best representatives for the franchise, and they are also tied together so strongly that it would make the most sense to put only those two on a collection. They have also stood the test of time graphically with their wondrous 2D-graphics. Of course, if Konami would decide to bring all five games I wouldn´t complain.

It´s a piece of culture that I think deserves to be put in a new light to a new audience. It would also be a nice gesture towards us old school fans to relive these adventures again on modern consoles. I can´t possibly think that this would be a difficult or expensive task for Konami to do. A collection could also serve as a potential way to scan the market for interest in a possible sixth entry.

Do you want a Suikoden collection?

 

DunDunDunpachi

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I'd love this, but I don't think RPGs are their priority right now. They know the fans who really care will buy it digitally on PSN and everyone else doesn't know it exists.

Suikoden IV and V in particular would be great (I never played them). I know I'm not alone when I say that Suikoden II was a landmark title for me and I still remember it fondly.
 

PedroPanache

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I still have all the main Suikoden games, I-V, skipped on Tactics because it just wasn't for me. It's a wonderful series, but it's probably doomed to obscurity, given that it's a Konami IP. Aside from Suikoden IV, which is pretty awful, the series is one of the best JRPG franchises I've ever played.
 

Bigmanatee

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Hell yeah. I know I'll be in the minority but I like suikoden more that ff7. I bought it on a whim cause the artwork looked weird; I had the one with the black border and a more asoteric design. I don't think Konami cares though. Maybe they will option it to another studio. I've already gone on a screed about how they should do that with castlevania
 

Breakage

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I'm sure one of the PS1 Suikoden games (I think it's Suikoden II) is rare and quite expensive these days.
 

nocsi

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Considering how you can import saves between many of the Suikoden entries - a collection does make sense. But honestly, Konami doesn't care about Suikoden and its original series creator wants nothing to do with them. As a result, the series kind of tapered off after III and has not had actual world progression since. Closest Suikoden-like game recently was Ni No Kuni 2, but that was fairly awful. Anyways, I agree that a collection is needed, there's no way to play all the mainline games on a modern system.
 
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Aside from Suikoden IV, which is pretty awful, the series is one of the best JRPG franchises I've ever played.
Ironically Tactics is what Suikoden IV should have been. It actually makes the Rune of Punishment worthy of being a True Rune whereas in Suikoden IV it was eclipsed by the Soul Eater and was actually weaker than regular elemental runes.
 

Pallas

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Suikoden was my first JRPG. I remember buying it because I wanted to prep for Final Fantasy VII, which at the time, felt like a huge and complex game for me. I was always fascinated by the genre, and that was mainly due to Final Fantasy becoming a big thing in the gaming world, but since I didn´t have a SNES, and lived in Sweden, I didn´t get many opportunities to play one. Final Fantasy didn´t release outside of US until Final Fantasy VII.

Anyway, since the Playstation was brand new, Konami saw their chance to break into the market for japanese role playing games. I remember reading an interview with one of the producers of the first two games, and he said that the higher ups of Konami had held a meeting around 93-94 where they would discuss what new games they would produce for Sonys new console. When he arrived to the meeting, the suits had written three genres on a whiteboard.

- Racing

- Racing

- RPG

The producer picked the RPG, since racing was just too boring according to him. And so he gathered a team and about a year later, Suikoden was brought to the world. And it was a damn fine RPG. The story in particular stood out, and I was so impressed with the twists and turns that unfolded, and the strong character gallery. I had never played anything like that before, my preferences at the time was platforming and action-games. I was floored by the epic adventure I was embarking on, and it captivated me like no other game had before. Suikoden quickly became my favourite game.

So when the sequel dropped, I was in the 7th heaven. It was a direct sequel, building upon the first one. It was grander, bigger, lots of new fun characters, evolved battle system and an even more engaging and well written story. The tragic tale about Jowy Atreides and the hero protagonist (you name your character in the beginning) literally had me in tears by the end. It was so good. It was the best story I´ve encountered in a video game. It dealt with mature and complex themes, about friendship and betrayal, about sacrifices and redemption. Simply, it was a masterpiece.

Sadly enough, Suikoden has never been much of a top seller. Konami produced a couple of sequels, with 3D-graphics, revamped battle mechanics and some experimenting with the franchises original premise. The series ended with Suikoden V on Playstation 2. Konami has never bothered to revisit the series outside dropping the first two on PS Classic and PSP and some spin off-games such as Tierkris.

Today we live in a age of remasters and remakes. Nostalgia is currently a strong force in the industry, feeding off on our childhood memories with new editions and collections and bundles from the past. As we all know, Konami was a power house producer of video games back in the day, with some seriously gifted talent creating some seriously good IPs. Fast forward to the current timeline and Konami is a former shadow of itself, lost in the dark with no clue how to reach sunlight yet again.

Well, a step in the right direction towards redemption would be a release of the first two Suikoden-games on current consoles. I think a collection of those two would actually sell pretty well in the current climate of video games. Not to shit on the sequels by any means, but the first two games are the best representatives for the franchise, and they are also tied together so strongly that it would make the most sense to put only those two on a collection. They have also stood the test of time graphically with their wondrous 2D-graphics. Of course, if Konami would decide to bring all five games I wouldn´t complain.

It´s a piece of culture that I think deserves to be put in a new light to a new audience. It would also be a nice gesture towards us old school fans to relive these adventures again on modern consoles. I can´t possibly think that this would be a difficult or expensive task for Konami to do. A collection could also serve as a potential way to scan the market for interest in a possible sixth entry.

Do you want a Suikoden collection?


They also had a Card Stories game on the gameboy advance and the other spin off that was like Tierkris (taking place outside of the original series) was for the PSP, Genso Suikoden: Tsumugareshi Hyakunen no Toki (Genso Suikoden: The Woven Web of A Century) both never made it outside of Japan though.

Then there was the two Gaiden games which serve more like visual novels to fill
In info for Suikoden I-II on the PS1(never released outside but translations exist)

Last I heard the original team was broken up unfortunately. Really love this series.

Card Stories



Genso Suikoden: Tsumugareshi Hyakunen no Toki

 
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Ryu Kaiba

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We don't even have a Metal Gear collection on current gen and your reaching for Suikoden...
 

Pallas

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We don't even have a Metal Gear collection on current gen and your reaching for Suikoden...

MGS has several collections though,dating all the way back to PS2 era. Just not 1-5 together.

I think a digital only collection would be at least possible with Suikoden.