Swift_Star
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Still not how this works. You’re wrong and I’m not wasting my time this time.
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Swift_Star
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This is a revenue by segment chart, not the same as marketshare. PC is not owned by anyone, it’s not a brand, therefore, it doesn’t have a marketshare.Gaming marketshare. PC is the biggest platform outside of mobile by a signifcant margin. If you put every console sku on the market combined its just barely above PC. Any single console platform is dwarfed in comparison.
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Swift_Star
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Not how this works. Sony brings more revenue and PlayStation sells more software than Nintendo.
People don’t understand anything about business lol
kingfey
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You are the one who has no clue about it.
Consoles are tiny bit fraction of gaming.
Bernd Lauert
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Shhh bby is ok, EA games will stay multiplatform even if MS buys them.
March Climber
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DICE literally made him the villain in the second Mirrors Edge game. They knew before we did.
Wilson feels like the type who knows how to make quick cash and then cash out. He doesn't care about long term brand recognition. If EA didn't have the sports division they'd be in hot water right now.
kingfey
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What you are arguing are 3rd party sales on those consoles. Those has nothing to do, with Sony output.
Sony doesn't produce more softwares compared to Nintendo.
Also 3rd party sales wise, Steam is the number 1.
Hardware wise, Nintendo is soon to overtake Sony, in just 5 years.
Nautilus
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Lol.
If it was as simple as that, anything could be cloned. Sports FC?Nah, just make a football gane from scratch.Dead Space?Nah, just make a new survival horror from scratch.And so on.
There is a reason why these IPs retain value even if they can be "reproduced" thats beyond obvios.
It feels like some of you let your hate cloud your eyes, or that you didnt even go to school...
Nautilus
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Amiga
Member
Value of Sports games is in the licensing. If another company get the license they get the value. SOme are found games like Dead Space but it's not mass seller IP.
If EA retain several more years of the games license then that would have value.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
Assuming switch continue to sell, or the next gen Switch sold as much as the current gen Switch. Very hard to say 5 years from now, Nintendo have to move on somehow, which they are reluctant currently.
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kingfey
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Something for Sony. All 3 of them, have this issue.
Nintendo still has 3 more years left, and covid shortage to deal with. It makes sense for them to not rush out
kingfey
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That is the most idiocratic comment that I have heard so far.
Please smoke less mushrooms.
Nautilus
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No, its not the FIFA licence that gives value to the game.Not anymore anyway.It was the individual licenses with the football clubs that gave it value.People bought FIFA to play as Madrid, or Manchester United.And EA retained that. FIFA only brought World Cup to the table as value to the games, nothing else has changed.
I mean, time will tell if EA is successful or not without fifa, but considering they are basically the only ones making football games, and has like 2 decades of experience doing it, I doubt anyone will be able to get even close to EA's quality when it comes to that game, even if they decide to pay the 250 million dollars per year to FIFA to get their licence(yes thats what EA payed to them to have basically a title in their game)
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
Playstation always sells though, PS3 being the worst console still sells alot.
Hard to say for Nintendo, Switch is their most successful console. Wii U is the worst, and the previous consoles arent selling that much either.
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yurinka
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Console market now makes 29% of the global market revenue, which is almost a third of the total market share, this is not a tiny fraction. PC games generate a 20% instead (1% of it being casual games), which is a smaller market share.
And yes, the % of the total revenue is the market share. Doesn't only applies to companies, it's also used with any market segments whose revenue you want to compare. In this case, splitting gaming market into platform types.
In addition to this, during the last 5 years console market had a bigger YoY growth than PC, meaning that it's growing faster than PC on a steady way so very likely will continue growing more so will continue being bigger than PC in at least the next few years.
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kingfey
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So Essentially, console gaming has close 30% market, my math was switched from consoles to pc.Console market now makes 29% of the global market revenue, which is almost a third of the total market share, this is not a tiny fraction. PC games generate a 20% instead (1% of it being casual games), which is a smaller market share.
And yes, the % of the total revenue is the market share:
In addition to this, during the last 5 years console market had a bigger YoY growth than PC, meaning that it's growing faster than PC on a steady way so very likely will continue growing more so will continue being bigger than PC in at least the next few years.
In essence, pc+mobile are like 70%. And consoles are 29% with Nintendo +MS+Sony combined.
Also remember that $ and € affects the revenue.
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kingfey
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Nintendo consoles sells alot.
The ps4 benefited massively from wiiU and Xbox one disaster. Which is why most 3rd party went with Sony last gen.
Right now, it's different, with steam attracting all of these 3rd parties. So the ground is even.
yurinka
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Won't happen. EA CEO wants to continue being CEO, and Ubi wants to continue being independent (don't need and aren't interested on merging or selling, even if as any public company they are forced to listen any offer) and with the Guillemot brothers in charge of it.
They also have rival platforms as EA Play and Ubisoft+ are, with deals signed with many parties that would be complicated and too expensive to break in case of merging them (very difficult, but not impossible).
So it won't happen for these reasons, but other than that I think their very successful catalog would be very compatible to merge it and would be something useful to be the clear market leader of 3rd party AAA publishers now ABK has been acquired, taking distance from their main rival: Take 2. They would be also a massive juggernaut that would be in a way better position for future negotiations with partners like the console makers, PC stores or cloud gaming/game sub platforms.
Yes. But also remember that MS (even more if they acquire ABK), Sony and Nintendo aren't limited to consoles. All 3 are important on mobile and MS in PC, where Sony is joining the party now in a limited way.
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AtomicStarving
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If that means Mirror's Edge 3 is coming, I'm all on board. 
Amiga
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I would combine consoles + PC because they sell the same games. In 5 years this market has grown 50%. If the big publishers didn't have a broken business model they would have been very profitable instead of selling themselves off.
Mobile gaming is reason for consoles rapid growth in the past few years. The young who grow up want more sophisticated games. My kids are started to regularly play my PS5(had to pass lock it
), they are playing and completing games they weren't interested in a couple of years ago. same as growing from watching cartoons to live action thrillers. A very hardcore game like Elden Ring selling 10+ million in a short time is a testament to the strength of and growth of traditional gaming.
Bernd Lauert
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EA is making good money. $1B in profits last year.
Really curious if anyone still sees much value in EA outside of their sport deals. I honestly haven't bought a game from them since Mass Effect 2 in 2010..
Lognor
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No, you're wrong. Nintendo sells more hardware. Nintendo sells more first party software. Sony doesn't come close to either. Sony has 1-2 games that have sold over 20m copies. Nintendo has 10-20 times that. Think about that. The Switch outsold the PS4. The PS5 will not sell more than the Switch and likely not going to sell more than the Switch 2 or whatever the successor is called. Nintendo absolutely dominates the industry.
DukeNukem00
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Nintendo sells more hardware at half the price. Sells more 1st party but near 90% of sony's software sales are 3rd party. Nintendo doesnt dominate anything
Lognor
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Wrong. The PS4 was the same price, I believe. And the Switch outsold it. And you're right. Third party games are what sell on PS consoles. So Sony is NOT dominating there. Nintendo does, however.
Swift_Star
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Don’t know about going bankrupt but it’s a fact those companies get the majority of their revenue by selling their games on the PS ecosystem.
you’re clueless as always.
Swift_Star
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Wrong again, not how this works. PlayStation makes more gaming revenue than Nintendo. You’re as clueless as ever.
kingfey
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Both pc and console will grow alot, as more younger generation get in to games.I would combine consoles + PC because they sell the same games. In 5 years this market has grown 50%. If the big publishers didn't have a broken business model they would have been very profitable instead of selling themselves off.
Mobile gaming is reason for consoles rapid growth in the past few years. The young who grow up want more sophisticated games. My kids are started to regularly play my PS5(had to pass lock it
A very hardcore game like Elden Ring selling 10+ million in a short time is a testament to the strength of and growth of traditional gaming.
DukeNukem00
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Switch is 300 while ps4 was 400 and ps5 is 500. Switch will end up selling more than ps4, but at a lower revenue when the price difference is gigantic. So where exactly does nintendo dominate ? Less hardware at the moment, less software. Im not seeing the domination here
Swift_Star
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Segment is not the same as marketshare.Console market now makes 29% of the global market revenue, which is almost a third of the total market share, this is not a tiny fraction. PC games generate a 20% instead (1% of it being casual games), which is a smaller market share.
And yes, the % of the total revenue is the market share. Doesn't only applies to companies, it's also used with any market segments whose revenue you want to compare. In this case, splitting gaming market into platform types.
In addition to this, during the last 5 years console market had a bigger YoY growth than PC, meaning that it's growing faster than PC on a steady way so very likely will continue growing more so will continue being bigger than PC in at least the next few years.
Business 101. PC is a segment. Console is a segment. Mobile is a segment. Those are gaming segments.
That’s not the same as marketshare.
Geez.
Putting the thread on ignore since I can’t stand so much disinformation.
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EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
EA merging with someone will impact the gaming industry forever they’re a major player
EA merger:
EA merger:
kingfey
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Sony doesn't produce 3rd party games period.
What you are arguing is the 30% cut+hardware sales+their 1st party output. In that case, they surpass Nintendo.
But from output wise, Nintendo makes more revenue, due to their 1st party output.
Oddvintagechap
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Nautilus
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Not to mention that Switch has outsold the PS4 and as a 9th gen system, they are far ahead compared to the PS5 and Series (for obvious reasons)
Mibu no ookami
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Not sure where the value is here.
EA makes a ton of money, but don't really have much in the way of strong franchises to rely on.
They own the Madden license, but what happens if they lose the exclusivity deal with the NFL eventually?
They just lost the FIFA name license.
Medal of Honor is dead.
Battlefield is dying.
Only a matter of time until they get no more star wars games.
EA is overvalued.
Maybe this makes sense for Apple or Amazon, but other game companies? Maybe Epic Games.
EA makes a ton of money, but don't really have much in the way of strong franchises to rely on.
They own the Madden license, but what happens if they lose the exclusivity deal with the NFL eventually?
They just lost the FIFA name license.
Medal of Honor is dead.
Battlefield is dying.
Only a matter of time until they get no more star wars games.
EA is overvalued.
Maybe this makes sense for Apple or Amazon, but other game companies? Maybe Epic Games.
kingfey
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EA is master of mtx. They know how to generate profits from mtx.
They made around 70% revenue from mtx.
Lognor
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LOL. Okay, so they won't go bankrupt? Like I said. Don't be clueless like the other guy!
And Nintendo makes a ton more profit. And makes more revenue on first party game sales and more revenue on hardware sales. Not that hard to understand.
Wrong. The PS4 dropped pretty quickly in price from $400. It launched at $400, but within 2 years was down to $350 and soon was down to $300 and now can be had at under $300. $250 or less oftentimes. The Switch has maintained its $300 price point for FIVE years, which is really unheard of. And it is continuing to outsell PS and Xbox consoles. AND with the additional of the Switch OLED the average price is above $300. And let's not forget that there is a disc less PS5 which brings that average well below $500. AND let's not forget that Sony is losing money on every console sold while Nintendo is making a lot of money on every console sold. If that is not leading the market, I don't know what is!
Halo2redvsblue
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I hope whoever it is let's Popcap do more then just Mobile and F2P games.
yurinka
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I didn't say that a market share is the same than a market segment. I said that segments, like companies have their market share.
Market share is the share of a market that something has, measured in % of total revenue. That something doesn't need to be a company, it can be any portion of that market that you want to compare against their peers.
In the game industry sometimes we analyze the market share of platform types, consoles, world regions or countries, demographics, game genres or subgenres, busines models and many more things, social media networks, marketing channels and many more.
It's part of the info we use to analyze the market and try to guess if our game will work, which game and marketing platforms are the ones where our game can work best, to define our target user, to see where we can find it or what he may expect or would like, etc.
Example: when planning the localization of our game, to decide which languages we'll need we look at the market share of each country or language for our genre/subgenre/niche and similar or related ones. Because we want most of our potential customers to have the game localized to their language while at the same time to don't spend too much money localizing the game to languages that aren't worth it.
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GhostOfTsu
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I'm not going to reply to the two others bootleg-Bernd Lauert accounts but please explain to me how 2K, Ubisoft, Activision etc makes money on Nintendo when:
- GTA V and RDR2 are not on Switch
- None of the recent CODs and Warzone are on Switch
- None of the recents Assassin’s Creed or Far Crys are on Switch, Rainbow Six Siege is not on Switch
Please contradict my statement instead of throwing insults. PSN made 14 billions in 2021. Most of that money goes to third-party publishers (less Sony cut).
You think they made as much money on Nintendo in 2020/2021? Please explain how.
Mibu no ookami
Member
Have to sell games to get mtx revenue.
Don't think EA will be successful in keeping their sales revenue high enough to maintain their MTX revenue in the future.
The second t2 partners with FIFA to make a soccer game, it'll at least eat 20-30 percent into their sales, mind you they have the money from the fifa license so it's not a full 20-30 percent loss, but the more that is eroded the more EA will be hurting. It might be their biggest game.
Eventually, the NFL is going to back off this exclusive deal. I think currently it runs through 2026, but who knows maybe this is the end of it.
Battlefield is already a ruined brand.
kingfey
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EA knows how to make games.
Plus battlefield isn't dead. This is just 1 bad part game from a long running franchise.
Its like saying Vanguard ruins call of duty.
Also those other licensed games won't drop EA. They make too much money for them.
Fifa just wanted more money, and will regret it in thefuture, once they see less money.
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kingfey
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I only have a problem with this part.
Rockstar have steam and their launcher. Same with those other companies.
While they might not have their games on Nintendo, they still make money from PC.
Sony got lucky with ps4, due to xbox one and wii U. But before that, it was the x360 that had advantage with those companies.
To make it simple, Sony+MS make little bit higher than PC.
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GhostOfTsu
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Don't bother with Lognor. He's basically Bernd Lauert-level troll. Bernd Lauert was allowed to come back twice even after it was announced on the ban page he would be perm next
they seem to like him for some reason 
Bernd is now trying to keep it low but Lognor took up the mantle. The most spiteful troll left.
Of course you were triggerred by that little comment so you had to come in and throw shade and bring up wii u and 360 and other irrelevant garbage
Look I know all of you here fucking hate Sony and want them to disappear but we don't live in that fairy-tale.
The truth is those third-parties makes most of their money on Sony platforms. They wouldn't survive on whatever they are making on your dream market leader Nintendo and Xbox duo.
But keep dreaming and making those prayers on GAF and it might happen eventually
kingfey
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No one here hates Sony. Don't project your fanboism to me.Of course you were triggerred by that little comment so you had to come in and throw shade and bring up wii u and 360 and other irrelevant garbage
Look I know all of you here fucking hate Sony and want them to disappear but we don't live in that fairy-tale.
The truth is those third-parties makes most of their money on Sony platforms. They wouldn't survive on whatever they are making on your dream market leader Nintendo and Xbox duo.
But keep dreaming and making those prayers on GAF and it might happen eventually
You made a broader point, saying those companies would have went bankruptcy, while ignoring PC and Xbox.
Ps4 is the same story as x360, where big 3rd party games were big on x360. Also those 3rd party games had franchises started on that console.
One more thing, pc is all digital, which means more revenue to these companies. And since those companies have their own launcher, this means 100% revenue belongs to them.
So no, Sony doesn't make alot of money for them.
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Nautilus
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- Mario Kart is on Switch(45+ million)
-Animal Crossing is on Switch(40+ million)
- Ring Fit Adventure is on Switch(15+ million)
-Super Mario Oddysey(25+ million)
- BOTW(25+ MILLION)
-Smash Bros( 25+ million)
- One Pokemon game every year(At least 15+ million each game)
- Luigi Mansion 3(10+ million)
-Splatoon 2(10+ million)
And so many more.
Most these games have DLC or season passes, Nintendo Switch Online has 30 million+ subs, Nintendo makes a hefty profit in each console sold(which Sony and MS dont).
As for indies, they sell best, by far, on Switch compared to Sony and MS(We are talking more than 500k, at least, for each of the bigger indie games).
And while AAA third parties games are found in less numbers on the Switch, they still sell well enough.(Minecraft, Skyrim, Doom, etc)
kingfey
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Keep in mind that those games don't go below $30. Most of them sell at $60 price, even after 4 years of launch.