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Kotaku: Overwatch Incest 'Shipping Tests The Limits Of What's Permissible In Fandom

Saucycarpdog

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http://kotaku.com/overwatch-incest-shipping-tests-the-limits-of-whats-per-1795102769

While it’s possible to play Overwatch and not pay attention to its lore, there’s a part of that game’s fandom that loves it for its lore. These fans theorize about character backgrounds, make fan art, and often obsess over the possible romantic pairing in the game, known as “shipping.” They imagine former friends Reaper and Soldier 76 sharing intimate moments in easier times, or they dream of rivals Widowmaker and Tracer falling in love on the battlefield. There are also fans who ship Genji and Hanzo. That’s where some fans think shipping goes too far, because Genji and Hanzo aren’t former friends or rivals. They’re brothers.

In the ribald world of shipping, incest is an occasional taboo. For some it is a fantasy too far, a normalization of a reviled real-world act that signals to victims of incest that their plight has some admirable allure. To others, creating a drawing of two fictional brothers making out is simply playful and, at most, the exploration of the forbidden within harmless bounds.

This is what Overwatch fans debate when they now argue about “Shimadacest,” a word used to describe the hundreds of written and illustrated depictions of hookups between Genji and Hanzo, the brothers Shimada. The debate is about nothing less than what we consider to be real, what we make of those who fantasize about taboo lifestyles and what we deem the impact of fiction to be.
In that regard, Shimadacest follows a trend of incest ships in fandoms. The ship is nearly identical to two other popular incest ships: Wincest from the CW show Supernatural and Elricest anime Fullmetal Alchemist. All these ships are about brothers in emotionally intense situations that can only rely on each other. The former paired Sam and Dean Winchester, who were raised by their obsessive father as demon hunters but grew estranged until the demon who killed their mother came back to torment them. The latter was a coupling of Edward and Alphonse Elric, two brothers on a quest to find the MacGuffin that will restore their deformed bodies to normal and possibly revive their dead mother.
The Shimadacest tag on Tumblr is nevertheless a battleground. On any given day, if you scroll through the most recent posts, the common discourse is impassioned posts about whether or not shipping incest is okay in fandom. On the one hand, you have shippers who say they understand the boundary between fiction and reality, and they properly tag problematic themes in their work so people who are sensitive to them can avoid them. And on the other you have the “antis,” who say that it doesn’t matter if it’s fiction, the potential for harm for survivors of abuse is too great to allow incestual ships to propagate. Or as one anti on Tumblr said, “I will continue to be a bitter bitch until shimadacest dies.”
Part of the problem lies with Tumblr, the current most popular hub for fandom discourse. At the advent of Wincest and Elricest, fandom activities mainly took place on Livejournal, an online journaling service. Where Tumblr is freeform and very public, Livejournal gave users the tools to be private when they wanted or needed to be. It isn’t as if drama never happened on Livejournal—there were whole communities dedicated to documenting the fallout of fandom spats—but at the very least, users had the ability to created a private, invite only community if you so wished.

Huge article at the link that goes in depth with the shipping and incest fandom and the problems that come up from it. Couldn't quote it all. I suggest people go and read it.
 

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TC McQueen

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People are getting butthurt over this NOW? Where were these fuckers when Supernatural got big or any other fandoms had big, huge incest shipping groups, like Avatar: the Last Air Bender and tons of anime?
 

NESpowerhouse

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Supernatural all over again?
 

patapuf

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Eh, incest shipping is so old overwatch is at least 30 years too late for it to represent any kind of "limit".


Fandom went way beyond incest.
 

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You think that's bad, try the Supernatural (CW show for those unaware) fandom for some seriously creepy shit. Showrunners have been poking fun at them for years now.
 

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In 95% of character select screens Genji and Hanzo are selected instantly and often together, so clearly there's some merit to this idea.

Seriously though this is a ship that should never have left the harbour, sink it quick.
 

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As far as I'm concerned everything is permissible in fandom, including the stuff I don't like myself.

And this kind of incest shipping has probably been going on since the birth of shipping as a concept, it's a bit late to start worrying about it now.
 

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I feel like if incest is the main problem in your fandom, that is pretty tame. Man when I was super into Undertale the amount of fucked up shit I saw was ridiculous. Incest was just one of the fucked up things.
 

DorkyMohr

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What if it's a time traveling young Ana and current day Pharah.

Asking for a friend.

And Tracer is there too.
 

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People are getting butthurt over this NOW? Where were these fuckers when Supernatural got big or any other fandoms had big, huge incest shipping groups, like Avatar: the Last Air Bender and tons of anime?

this isn't about any of those?
 

Saucycarpdog

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People are getting butthurt over this NOW? Where were these fuckers when Supernatural got big or any other fandoms had big, huge incest shipping groups, like Avatar: the Last Air Bender and tons of anime?
The does mention that. I'll put it in the OP.
 

Fantastapotamus

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I don't understand who cares what some people do in their free time.
Shipping is already inherently dumb, so why is this a problem now?
 
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I don't get why this is such a big thing with Overwatch, I never hear of it with other games. So weird how into this sort of thing people are, but whatever floats your boat I guess.
 

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I have serious problems with outlets like Kotaku putting spotlights into these small communities, where crowds like GamerGate can then focus in and target individuals for harassment.
 

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After seeing all those weird as hell pregnancy/vore fanart coming out of the furry fandom, I can't say incest shipping goes very high up the shock ladder.
 

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I don't get why this is such a big thing with Overwatch, I never hear of it with other games. So weird how into this sort of thing people are, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

Incest shipping or shipping in general? Cause this shit happens with every sufficiently popular game with identifiable characters.
 

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I don't get why this is such a big thing with Overwatch, I never hear of it with other games. So weird how into this sort of thing people are, but whatever floats your boat I guess.
You missed out on Mass Effect's weird psuedo-incest/self-cest with default male and female Shepard, plus I'm pretty sure there's some Ryder family incest stuff out there (or there will be).
 

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People are getting butthurt over this NOW? Where were these fuckers when Supernatural got big or any other fandoms had big, huge incest shipping groups, like Avatar: the Last Air Bender and tons of anime?

This have they never heard of wincest? smh.
 

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People have way too much time on their hands to think about stupid shit.
 
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Incest shipping or shipping in general? Cause this shit happens with every sufficiently popular game with identifiable characters.

Both I guess. I mean I'm sure it happens, but with Overwatch it gets so much coverage. I guess just because of the popularity of the game, but there are plenty of very popular games that you don't hear this much about.