I think that if they were smart they would. My opinion though.
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Kotaku: Sony is working on a PS4.5; briefing devs on plans for a more powerful PS4
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I think that if they were smart they would. My opinion though.
Vegetable Lasagna
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Sony probably isn't happy with VR performance on PS4. Holding off to see how PSVR turns out, but if I have to rebuy a PS4 for the best experience... I'll just not even think about getting PSVR and stick with the Vive. I am long due for a few pc upgrades anyway. I have no need to upgrade my PS4.
wapplew
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And all PS 2016/2017/2018/2019/2020 only play different version of PS4 games.
sammyCYBORG
Member
I'm okay with short gens, because technology stagnating sucks, but what has PS4 produced so far? Bloodborne is probably the only great exclusive.
If we get shorter gens, we need more great exclusives.
If we get shorter gens, we need more great exclusives.
Khalifa Jayy
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ITT: Some people are conflating [simply] 4K with "4K @ Ultra Settings."
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Thats exactly what it seems like. There's no way they're ditching the current hardware owners and make games exclusive for PS4K. At best, it'll give you better framerate, a 4K scaler, and a better VR experience.
Sony can't afford to have a GTX 980 equivalent hardware on PS4.
David Ricardo
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PS4 ports will look worse than they would if the game was developed for that console while still holding back the PS4.5 version.
Making the console market a permanent cross-gen environment will make console gaming worse for everyone, IMO.
I don't expect a jump like the one we got from Snes to PS1, but I want to feel like PS4 has given all it can give technically before a PS5 comes out. Mark Cerny said we wouldn't see all PS4 can give until 2017-2018. If Sony releases a PS4.5 before that, we might never see the full potential of PS4. Also, a PS4.5 released in 2017 would be worse than what Sony could release a year later. It just doesn't make sense to me.
Well, Sony let Sega get a 1 year head start and that seemed to work just fine. xbox one looks more like the saturn than OG Xbox to me.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
If this happens, I doubt we will see it till late 2017 at the earliest. I think a lot of the talk may just be due to wanting to be prepared if VR really takes off and they need to push out something as a stopgap till a proper ps5 can be released.
Crayon
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A scalar wouldn't even give you better performance. It would just clean up the picture nicely for 4k displays.
JumPeRJumPzZ
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Agree.
Im fine with more constant upgrades every 3-4 years. Current Consoles already struggle with a lot of stuff and games.
Yep, the news does seem to imply that Sony is reacting to the Microsoft rumours.
Rather than Sony jumping the gun, it is quite likely that Sony will be the last manufacturer to enter 'next gen'.
The downside is that developers are going to struggle to keep up.
Yeah, and here we have it. Fragmentation. The thing that kept the "PC-ness" at bay in the console space, despite Horse Armor and HDDs and Game Updates...
SunBroDave
Member
So does that mean that once again Nintendo will be a gen behind with the NX??
AMD's current gpus don't support HDMI 2.0 which Sony probably wants ASAP for BluRay UHD support in the PS4. Current BluRay UHD players cost $500! Sony would once again be in a position to sell their console as a new format player.
If it's possible to re-design the old gpu, I don't know. They didn't bother for the R9 Fury even though they market it as a 4k ready card. Maybe it was too expensive to re-design.
However, AMD's upcoming gpus will support HDMI 2.0.
Crayon
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NX is going to be black and white, and succeeded by the NX Color.
Where is the money in it for them? They'd maybe get a few more first party sales and then they have to cut good deals with 3rd parties to compete with steam. A lot of the PC release issues are also not Sony's strengths. They sold off the division which had much of the Pc expertise (SOE).
Would the effort be worth it? They need to spend to expand their capabilities and them compete with the folks already on the PC. The PC market is both smaller, demanding, and a few players have most of the money locked up (Riot, Blizzard, Valve, CD project Red).
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Zombie James
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4K is the reason why I don't think the system is launching before late next year or only going to be a minor incremental update. You don't push 4x more pixels with an incremental update.
GasProblem
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If the future is incremental upgrades where some games are optimised for the newer upgrade, but you can still play them on older versions!...with 15 fps, I'd have to think really hard what to buy going forward.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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That's exactly what it's going to be. Quote me on this in 2017 when (and if) it happens.
1. 4K Blu-ray playback.
2. 4K Netflix playback.
3. 4K PSVue playback.
4. 4K Upscaler for existing games.
5. Improved framerate for VR games.
6. Improved framerate for existing games.
7. 4K UI.
8. Better graphics?
That's it. That's all I can expect. There's no way all games will magically be natively rendered at 4K with a $400 hardware. This is a small update before they jump to PS5 by 2021. It's not going to be a 980 equivalent hardware. It'll be a small refresh.
poodaddy
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Games running at 4K necessitates a massive upgrade in terms of GPU horsepower, so I wonder what price that would place it at. It's interesting news to be sure, and I can't help but wonder if VR is the big catalyst for this decision. Regardless, I await hardware specs before making any notable assumptions and speculations.
ShutterMunster
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Because that same machine would be capable of playing 1080p games with additional bells and whistles? Like is this seriously a question?
It's not sillier, it's logical. You're not getting 4K Uncharted 4 experiences on your PS4K. If they really want 4K games expect simplified indie or smaller scale (visually) experiences.
Obliterator
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Leak or speculation?
Fahzgoolin
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With the move of all the consoles going to x86/x64 infrastructure, I'm not surprised at the natural inclination to want to do incremental upgrades. I'm sure Sony/MS are smart enough to not flood the market with tons of variants that confuse and upset the consumers. They know that consoles are appealing to consumers/families because you don't have to be technically savvy to make a informed purchase.
welp
Chobel
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Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
This move is entirely for VR, the 4k speak is just to pull the wool over people "afraid" of VR. I call these people Ostriches because they plunge their head into the sand and ignore what is staring them right in the face (fuck telling me its a myth, its great imagery).
Sony is going all in on VR, because they know the future of video games (and entertainment as a whole) is VR. But they don't want to scare the Ostriches, so they are not upgrading this console for VR, its for 4k guys, no really, we promise.
Well, 5 to 6 years from now, when VR is exploding (BTW, all genres work in VR), Sony will have conditioned the Ostriches into accepting VR so PS5 can be a VR only device.
And guess who will be transitioning from selling multiple types of TVs to multiple types of VR screens/systems used in not only playstation but the PC space?
Sony.
Sony is going all in on VR, because they know the future of video games (and entertainment as a whole) is VR. But they don't want to scare the Ostriches, so they are not upgrading this console for VR, its for 4k guys, no really, we promise.
Well, 5 to 6 years from now, when VR is exploding (BTW, all genres work in VR), Sony will have conditioned the Ostriches into accepting VR so PS5 can be a VR only device.
And guess who will be transitioning from selling multiple types of TVs to multiple types of VR screens/systems used in not only playstation but the PC space?
Sony.
Iacobellis
Junior Member
It sounds more like an iPhone or Android-based device. Newer, more powerful hardware each year, but based on the same architecture. The same apps work without the need for developers to completely rewrite them.
I think that we'll definitely see PSN on PC. There's no way Sony is going to let Microsoft start making money on the PC with their exclusives and they don't and the PS is the same architecture. It just makes sense (and then Sony will be exiting the console market.
I look forward to the day where you choose where you play and your games follow you. It just makes sense to me.
Going to PC is the only way MS will make decent money with their first party games in many markets seeing how XBox performs there this generation. That's the fundamental difference between the current situation of the two publishers. I'm not saying the Windows push wouldn't have happened otherwise as a publisher salvaging their portfolio is the primary motivation in my opinion. Drawing people to their Windows store is a nice side effect.
THE:MILKMAN
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Um....Have you said "stuff" before? Your username is vaguely familiar.
exmachina64
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This makes me so happy. Please call it the PS4K, Sony.
Nintendo will need to catch up in order to do incremental upgrades every three years.
Nintendo will need to catch up in order to do incremental upgrades every three years.
KojiKnight
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I believe the point would be to make it like PC games... you know, where you can take advantage of new hardware and your software isn't tied into anything.
Patrick Klepek
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It's possible that my story is wrong, but then my sources are wrong, too. I specifically asked about a new GPU, and they said it's not just upscaling: it's a new GPU.
My gut tells me we're looking at Sony being able to brag about 4K, even if lots of games don't use it. (I'll take 1080p/60fps, thanks!) You know, like using a Vita as a second monitor, 3D games, and PS3 releases at 1080p.
I could also see them doing a die shrink and maybe getting SATA 3.2, USB 3.0, better wifi. That's would be the standard stuff in a new SKU and all that stuff would be on the OS side to handle.
god damn
i thought generation 9 would be the last, not generation 8. i had expected this sort of thing to start happening with 'playstation 5' where dedicated hardware becomes increasingly meaningless as upgrades happen more often.
nx, xb1, and now playstation all seem to point to this sort of future though.
i thought generation 9 would be the last, not generation 8. i had expected this sort of thing to start happening with 'playstation 5' where dedicated hardware becomes increasingly meaningless as upgrades happen more often.
nx, xb1, and now playstation all seem to point to this sort of future though.
Their username seems familiar too but I forget where I saw it.