Still not Ubisoft numbers
Still shows what's wrong with AAA gaming sucking up all other games like a leech though.
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Kotaku Sources: Destiny 2 coming to PC [UPDATE: Loads of extra info]
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Still not Ubisoft numbers
Still shows what's wrong with AAA gaming sucking up all other games like a leech though.
There will be new shaders, new emblems, and new other stuff to prolly decorate your avatar.
SolidSnakex
Member
It worked out fine for GTAV. There isn't a specific number, but Leslie Benzies was asked if the game had 1,000 people working on it and he said "probably much more".
Yeah, but in 10 years (probably being a bit optimistic) when the Destiny 1 servers shut down, you lose it all anyway. You're renting the characters, they aren't yours. That is the joy of an online game.
Primethius
Banned
I don't see this is as a issue, if this depletes the talent pool to work on these tentpole releases than do be it.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
and what exactly do people mean when they want their "characters to carry over"?
Do you mean your super powered weapons and equipment from 1 to 2? If so, wouldn't that wildly imbalance the game, and destroy it for newcomers? As well as cripple the single player portion?
Do you just mean shaders and looks for your character profiles? That seems easier and more reasonable.
Otherwise, if they rebalance and revamp the gear and weapons system for the better, then obviously they would need to drop the old shit for the future.
They're talking more about game cohesiveness and making D2 a true sequils in terms of mechanics and design.
I don't think they're alluding to the story really getting rebooted. It'll just be the next major chapter before adding in more episodic expansions.
D1 had 3-4 major storylines, and only 1 was completed with Crotas End and the Taken King (with some threads left hanging). RoI kinda take care of the fallen, maybe, but there's still more to do.
The Travler hasn't even been touched, besides D1 generally being Guardians defending themselves and the city that grew under it
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Wasn't one of the initial selling points of Destiny's ten year plan was that you were carrying your character over the whole journey?
BlackBuzzard
Banned
750! jesus christ.
Obliterator
Member
Yeah and Jason has hinted before that Destiny 2 may not hit its normal September release slot. I don't think its impossible this gets pushed back to 2018.
That said the team is enormous and you can get a lot done with 750 people.
A simple way to appease most people would be vanity slots. You can use them to alter appearance only, and it only uses Year 1 gear.
Killer Queen
Banned
Honestly let them do a fresh start with d2 and use that as a framework then go from there instead of Destiny 1, leave all that behind then try again with Destiny 2, have the original vision fully realized then focus on the future with a strong foundation.
MisterShine
Member
For my character transferring to Destiny 2, the minimum required in my opinion would be three things:
If we're doing whole new characters, they need to move the timeline somewhat and explain what happened to our old guardians and why we can't play as them. I'm okay with losing them if NECESSARY to make the story work, and if they can promise we won't have to lose them again in future games.
- Appearance transfer- if it can't be one to one, let me edit the details. I should still be a purple-skinned blue-haired Exo lady
- I should remain my old class, or be allowed to select a new one with an accompanying story explanation for how this change happened
- An acknowledgement in the story for who I am. I slew Oryx and became the first new Iron Lord in centuries, the other characters need to know me!
If we're doing whole new characters, they need to move the timeline somewhat and explain what happened to our old guardians and why we can't play as them. I'm okay with losing them if NECESSARY to make the story work, and if they can promise we won't have to lose them again in future games.
I'm not sure anyone is opposed to people getting to bring stuff over, just not in favor of that being the thing holding D2 back from its potential ceiling. If your character is the thing holding us back from getting the game Bungie promised us all those years ago, I will come to your house and delete your stupid looking character myself.
Sure, but if it means Destiny 2 / 3 / 4 / etc. will be better off for it, put my Guardian in the ground. I don't mind.
Obliterator
Member
I like the Diablo comparison. You can play for hundred of hours, get a shit ton of loot etc but when the next game hits its a new start. I'm not going to be salty my stuff from Diablo 3 doesn't transfer into Diablo 4. I'm gonna be all over that shit regardless.
Jawbreaker
Member
Never really understood why Destiny wasn't on PC aside from them citing it being a massive undertaking to bring the game to current and last gen consoles. How were sales on the PS360? I can't imagine it would have done better than a PC release.
Didn't hear me bitch about starting over in guild wars 2. Seemed pretty obvious to me that a new game means starting over. I have never heard of a sequel carrying data from the original over for any mmo Esque games outside of a realm reborn. That was more of a reboot than anything else or a huge overhaul to the original system while labeling it as a new game version instead of final fantasy XIV-2
I mean basically the game's entire business model is stuff that's been on PC for decades.
I don't think a 2017 release is going to happen. Unless it's a strict mandate from ATVI. Which would most likely result in a total rush job considering the semi-late leadership and vision changes. But maybe they already had the new/revised tools and engine work already well underway...who knows.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Sorry Bungie, but if it still won't have any sort of meaningful solo campaign, then I'm still not in.
The original plan was something of multiple updates, major and minor, over 10 years; but you always bring your character (and I guess loot?) with you.
So I think they're leaking this to temper expectations. As originally it's not what they were saying when hyping Destiny.
tedrotheredro
Member
Good. Destiny still feels like a hollow shell of a masterpiece game.
CertifiedFP
Member
Character reset is a given. Destiny 2 needs some serious changes for a lot of us who left the first game early on to take it seriously. Serious changes of the type that make using the same characters again not make sense.
It needs to be some serious Final Fantasy XIV tier changes.
Man, I really hope I can still recognize Bungie after all this is over. Weren't they a 100-man studio when Reach launched? And last I heard most of the pre-Halo guys left the company during the gap between Reach and Destiny.
Really hope that with the 650+ new guys Bungie's hired in the past six years that they're not another In Name Only studio by the time their contract with Activision is up - But I'm not getting my hopes up of course, Marty's gone and he isn't coming back.
It needs to be some serious Final Fantasy XIV tier changes.
Man, I really hope I can still recognize Bungie after all this is over. Weren't they a 100-man studio when Reach launched? And last I heard most of the pre-Halo guys left the company during the gap between Reach and Destiny.
Really hope that with the 650+ new guys Bungie's hired in the past six years that they're not another In Name Only studio by the time their contract with Activision is up - But I'm not getting my hopes up of course, Marty's gone and he isn't coming back.
Person reporting in: Yes I do.
PvP is shit and will remain shit, I don't see hackers changing much there.
They have never stated you would be able to bring loot through multiple Destiny games. Hell you couldn't even bring loot from Year 1 to Year 2, they re-released some of the guns instead.
shinobi602
Member
Yea, it's coming to PC. From what I'm told the decision to restructure was made thanks to a major memory ceiling being reached on last gen with regard to the Rise of Iron expansion, which was set to launch in the spring, not fall. Bungie decided to push out D2 since it was behind and needed much more iteration, and took advantage of the Rise of Iron delays to use that as the content stop gap for the fall of this year.
Destiny 2 is being overhauled so that they can build upon it in the future without having to work within the frame work limitations that D1 setup. Right now, the way things play out, they have to introduce playspaces so that players can engage in systems or activities, but it creates a huge barrier that must be overcome on both the networking & design side so, they're going to do more open playspaces that incorporate towns, outposts, etc into more common areas. This means fewer hardlines for areas and having them be gated by menus. Goal is to have players conducting things & making activity decisions while still in control of their character, instead of having to exit out into an activity hub. Think of how in WoW, you hit a button and queue into activities you want to do all while still playing your character.
Major narrative changes are on board for D2. Both in terms of plot direction, pacing & structure. Major focus is going to be on the Cabal & Saturn. Saturn is a playspace is set to be bigger than all of the playspaces currently implemented in the game combined. This is in large part of the scale of playspaces being redesigned, so it'll be both bigger & denser with activities. There's a reason Guardians take the fight to Saturn.
Major changes to the engine are occurring. Their render tech has gone through some major iteration thanks in large part to getting to approach it without having last-gen as a limit. Because of this, they are still undecided what, if any, of Destiny's old content, both in terms of playspace, areas, Strikes & raids, will be available through D2. There is talk in possibly allowing D1 remain as its own client, which flies against how Destiny currently operates, where as the new content renders the old client & content obsolete.
Live team has been going through some iteration so that they may continue to support Destiny with content after a major content drop, but they are stuck between a rock & a hard place. The live team is trying to support a game running on an old engine with its older tools, whereas the bulk of development is on the engine framework & enjoying new tools. Because of this, the Live team is largely handcuffed, so don't really expect a whole lot of post-launch content for D1 in the next year.
However, starting with the launch of D2, we will see far more substantial content dropping in the time between yearly releases, as the game & engine & live team have all been planned to support that going forward. Team is aware that they need more substantial content throughout the year, not just at the end of it.
If they do drop D1 content, it likely won't be permanent - they might reintroduce areas in a more 'D2' fleshed out way. So we might lose temporary access to these places, then regain it or have to fight back for control of it at a later point in the plot. This means we'll get to see older areas or activities through the perspective of the newer content, which also means the older areas might expand considerably by the time we get back to them, since the design goal for playspaces is to now make them both way bigger & way denser with activities.
Edit: New races & factions are planned. No idea on whats happening with regards to classes however. New enemies within factions are also going to be introduced. Take the Psions for the Cabal for example - they are going to get fleshed out in D2.
Destiny 2 is being overhauled so that they can build upon it in the future without having to work within the frame work limitations that D1 setup. Right now, the way things play out, they have to introduce playspaces so that players can engage in systems or activities, but it creates a huge barrier that must be overcome on both the networking & design side so, they're going to do more open playspaces that incorporate towns, outposts, etc into more common areas. This means fewer hardlines for areas and having them be gated by menus. Goal is to have players conducting things & making activity decisions while still in control of their character, instead of having to exit out into an activity hub. Think of how in WoW, you hit a button and queue into activities you want to do all while still playing your character.
Major narrative changes are on board for D2. Both in terms of plot direction, pacing & structure. Major focus is going to be on the Cabal & Saturn. Saturn is a playspace is set to be bigger than all of the playspaces currently implemented in the game combined. This is in large part of the scale of playspaces being redesigned, so it'll be both bigger & denser with activities. There's a reason Guardians take the fight to Saturn.
Major changes to the engine are occurring. Their render tech has gone through some major iteration thanks in large part to getting to approach it without having last-gen as a limit. Because of this, they are still undecided what, if any, of Destiny's old content, both in terms of playspace, areas, Strikes & raids, will be available through D2. There is talk in possibly allowing D1 remain as its own client, which flies against how Destiny currently operates, where as the new content renders the old client & content obsolete.
Live team has been going through some iteration so that they may continue to support Destiny with content after a major content drop, but they are stuck between a rock & a hard place. The live team is trying to support a game running on an old engine with its older tools, whereas the bulk of development is on the engine framework & enjoying new tools. Because of this, the Live team is largely handcuffed, so don't really expect a whole lot of post-launch content for D1 in the next year.
However, starting with the launch of D2, we will see far more substantial content dropping in the time between yearly releases, as the game & engine & live team have all been planned to support that going forward. Team is aware that they need more substantial content throughout the year, not just at the end of it.
If they do drop D1 content, it likely won't be permanent - they might reintroduce areas in a more 'D2' fleshed out way. So we might lose temporary access to these places, then regain it or have to fight back for control of it at a later point in the plot. This means we'll get to see older areas or activities through the perspective of the newer content, which also means the older areas might expand considerably by the time we get back to them, since the design goal for playspaces is to now make them both way bigger & way denser with activities.
Edit: New races & factions are planned. No idea on whats happening with regards to classes however. New enemies within factions are also going to be introduced. Take the Psions for the Cabal for example - they are going to get fleshed out in D2.
DrROBschiz
Member
I agree wholeheartedly
Not really. All The Taken King gear and weapons can be maxed out to the new Max Light level. They already solved the issue of that gear going away.
Thank god.
AHA-Lambda
Member
Given ATVI has had to put VV on this, and we've seen the reports before on troubles with Bungie's development pipeline.
As said earlier in the thread, much of this sounds quite conceptual for a game a year out, and seeing as they love their annualised franchises, I can't imagine ATVI is very happy with them =/
SlipperyFishes
Banned
If that means no console exclusive content bullshit I'm in.
AHA-Lambda
Member
This is becoming more and more common with ultra tier AAA games.
Ubisoft has more than that on many of their large franchises. Rockstar, and probably a few others as well.
Killer Queen
Banned
Sounds absolutely amazing. Anything else you wanna give us a few hints towards?
-New factions races?
-returning factions?
-classes?
destiny was always going to have that character/Mass Effect like progression problem from the beginning. I never believed that it was possible to bring one character over a course of 10 years through each thing. Destiny doesn't seem the type of game right now to even accomplish a feat like that and once it was brought up that they are reworking the hell out of the core of the series, I knew it was a wrap.
If PvP and PvE get hacked to shit, it still might be the smart choice. It's going to be interesting to see how they deal with pushing such a curated experience, to an open platform.
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
It's better that Bungie isn't totally boxed in by "Destiny 1" design decisions, this is good news.
Since they're ditching last gen consoles hopefully.
Salty Rice
Member
Sounds like good news to me if characters dont carry over.
Leave that old shit completely behind and start anew with a good game this time.
Leave that old shit completely behind and start anew with a good game this time.
Clark W Grizwald
Banned
Lets hope that one thing that doesn't carry over is Xbox players getting locked out of content for a year or more.