Yeah, if you are constantly buying new hardware. If you're trying to approach it from a value standpoint, the gap will still be there.
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Kotaku: XB1 Slim 2016, More Powerful XB1 Scorpio/VR 2017, iterative boxes from now on
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Yeah, if you are constantly buying new hardware. If you're trying to approach it from a value standpoint, the gap will still be there.
MatrixMan.EXE
Member
What do you mean by 'start'? Games as a services has been happening for years. Some of the biggest games this gen follow that strategy. You should have bailed out long ago.
Xbone and PS4 use virtually the same architecture though, right? How big of a deal is this, really? Probably more of a pain on the QA side of things.
SneakersSO
Member
Except no one knew what the power level of these systems actually was until launch, even though we had specs on hand for the most part. The end consumer didn't necessarily know or care, although the resolution differences were a big deal, but that was an issue that the X1 faced in its launch window, not at its reveal. During the reveal, all people heard were 60fps 1080p for the next Halo and a few other games.
As for the diluted focus of the Xbox - all the stories we got today are basically amounting to the dilution of the Xbox brand across multiple fronts, PC in particular. I'm not pointing this out to say that any of this is bad for MS, more just to point out that this isn't some massive course correction for the brand towards core-focused gaming like many hoped it might be.
cripterion
Member
Sounds like a shitshow when it comes to the future of consoles. Then again, if both Sony and MS are doing they must have thought this through. I might just stay gaming on pc for a while and see how all this thing goes down.
People buying Xboxs to play Xbox games is still a market though
If people would just immediately gravitate to PC by default, FIFA sales would be alot higher on Origin. The console market and PC market rarely overlap.
What you have with Windows 10/XB1 is 'ecosystem exclusives' where the only choice is do you want a convenient console, or to use a PC. Either way, you're in and supporting it.
And they wont be just kind of related like Wii U+3DS, theyll be fused by the hip
Smash just had a bunch of DLC & was cut off after February. And judging by the recent patch, they may be done with balance updates period. As for the NX port, I wouldn't get your hopes up for more significant content (except maybe the Ice Climbers). You have a point with Splatoon & SMM, though.
No way. Why kill the current sales.
Papacheeks
Banned
Games as a service is the end of a era for me. And end to gaming freedom. Now they lock you in to a contract for however long for the life of the game. From a business perspective yes for a gaming perspective fuck no.
Do you think steam will survive if they partner with big games and make people sign of to steam access or whatver where it's the only way to play Dota, Counterstrike, and many others games?
You dont own them, so once you stop the service there goes your games.
Look at PS+ if there's a game your really into like rocket league and you have to resub or you lose access, it pisses people off. Plus side is they can just buy the game, and usually for a cheap price.
But if these games as a service lock content for multiplayer behind the sub, you are forced to resub to keep up with everyone.
Buyer's choice goes out the window, no more hunting for deals, no more owning physical media, just pay a sub to play games you would like to own.
Fuck that.
Like what? COD? it's all still optional, I can still buy the game and play it. Down the road only way you will have access will be through a subscription. That is not a future im cool with when that happens I will be out completely as its only a matter of time before it goes to PC. I'll just get out of gaming, and continue on not caring so much about a indistry that destroyed itself.
Michael Pachter will be right for once on the industry crash.
AcceptableGhost
Member
Perhaps the Microsoft made Xbox machines would become something like the Nexus for Google, the flagship product.
How? Unlike these iterative consoles, you generally don't have to cross your fingers hoping that a game let's you play at your preferred settings. Then there's being unable to tweak settings to decrease gaps in multiplayer.
I'm just not sure why people want consoles to be PCs without any PC benefits/advantages.
KennyLinder
Member
Yep, that will be where the main issues will lie. Additional TCRs and testing requirements.
I just remembered that Win 10 Microsoft games are going to come in the form of UWAs like Quantum Break. That is a bit concerning because that game was a such a mess that I got upset and sold my key, instead playing the Xbox version. They really, really need to put out a solid performing game with maybe Forza, Sea of Thieves, or Scalebound if they want to convince me to buy their PC offerings.
Well there are a lot of people that just won't move to PC and I'm one of them. That said you don't think it's less risky for them to do iterative consoles pretty much locking you into their ecosystem as opposed to launching a new gen in 5 years and potentially losing all those customers?
And also games will be forward and backward compatible. That alone is enough reason to either not upgrade or stay in that exosystem. You're not forced to upgrade.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Didn't they reference I/O transfer speeds? That's could be an HDD issue and nothing to do with RAM, right?
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Not if the games are sold through their store.
MisterXDTV
Member
It was just an idea I had....
The only reason to have an Xbox Console would be the comfort of "fixed hardware". But with this move by Microsoft you can build a "locked PC" that does the same things INSIDE the most popular operating system in the world (Windows)
Basically there's no reason to own an Xbox console anymore, unless the price is VERY attractive. True 4K gaming is still far away for mainstream users I think
People who are interested in buying a new Xbox? Don't get your question?
Who buys slim models of past gen's?
ShutterMunster
Junior Member
To be honest, their PC integration strategy would have been way more impressive 10 years ago. Unifying the platforms is cool, I guessthe ability to run full Windows 10 apps on an Xbox is the most fascinating aspect of this allbut I'm not sure what they gain by doing so. What will be the UWP Xbox Exclusives to sway PC gamers? And will it sway enough to make a difference?
Interesting things will happen in the next few years.
Will be interesting to see if this can bring the XBox brand to new levels.
On the console side that could help to get market leader again in the US (won't happen outside of that though). Next XBox will probably be more powerful than NEO and will get the superior multi-platform games.
Even if I really dislike the idea of iterative consoles, it's exciting to see what the future will bring for console gaming.
Will be interesting to see if this can bring the XBox brand to new levels.
On the console side that could help to get market leader again in the US (won't happen outside of that though). Next XBox will probably be more powerful than NEO and will get the superior multi-platform games.
Even if I really dislike the idea of iterative consoles, it's exciting to see what the future will bring for console gaming.
RealityCheque
Banned
Here's the mascot:
SneakersSO
Member
input/output transfer speeds? I mean, that is usually to do with things sitting in RAM, but I could be misinterpreting what the article is saying or maybe they didn't know what they were trying to say. Sounds like RAM though.
Also, them having to stick to ESRAM + DDR3 for Scorpio makes sense, as forward compatibility is a key component to making this iterative model work for the platform, and there is no way they are going to produce a box that is strong enough to emulate the memory configuration of the current X1. They'd have to stick it out with ESRAM & DDR3.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It is in the same x86/64 AMD family, it probably means the removal of their Achilles Heal in the ESRAM.
maverick40
Junior Member
True but how are they going to compete with Steam?
Also what is the future of Xbox live gold if this is the case?
Benefit of long generations is that you reap the financial rewards of producing cheap hardware as you refine the design. For the most part, the old consoles were close, which is good enough for the consumer. Constantly pumping out new ones is more risky. More chances to fail. They really should focus on rebranding Xbox as a service ala Netflix, rather than trying to pump out these boxes first.
Games for Windows failed horribly and people haven't forgotten that. If they intend to compete with PC in a way they haven't before, they had better have a compelling reason beyond what few exclusive games you can't get on PC.
Maximilian Kolbe
Member
"as of right now there is no planned upgrade to the consoles I/O transfer speedthe speed at which the console can transfer assets from a disc or hard drive to its memory. This could mean long loading times for games specifically designed to support 4K, due to their larger assets."
Doesn't sound like RAM.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
What would be the point, no really? People either game on their PC or their Xbox.
Metalingus5150
Member
With how bad they're doing sales wise. I imagine the trade in value of an Xbone will be good.
DagnastyEp
Member
From the article:
From permanent storage medium into RAM. Basically saying no SSD, from how I read it.
SneakersSO
Member
Scorpio seems to be the codename. All those other ones were names that were just thrown out there.
GregLombardi
Member
The end of traditional gaming console has arrived.
It basically says SATA 2 is going to stay. Or that they are keeping hdds and don't want to make ssds mandatory.
Last gen was a totally different story.
Fact: Xbox One is falling behind (slightly above 20 mio,big guns already fired) and the slim model won't change that.
Starting this fall folks that plan to buy a new console will have to choose amongst several products in the near future: Xbox One Slim, Xbox 2, NX, PS4, PS4 Neo.
If you think that slim will do for One or Xbox Brand in general what it did for 360, I'm calling you Optimistico.
Papacheeks
Banned
Indeed. Not to thrilled about it either.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
Yeah. The worry is load times and not resolution. I don't see how an ESRAM issue would be assumed from those worries.
People have friends who are split between Xbox and PC and want to play with them
Its also nice to effectively unlock the game for usage on whatever device im on
Like its just a good thing
Its just a nice thing to have, its an inherently positive thing, its a consumer friendly thing. It was good whenever they did it on the PS3/PS4/Vita, its good here.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
But your console will likely play new games for 6 years or so. That's not bad.
backbreaker65
Banned
This is the guy who broke the news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=811&v=EQnTcwe1t5U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=811&v=EQnTcwe1t5U
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
Problem with a true XB2 is that they'll be starting with an install base of 0 as a major revamp of the architecture would lose backwards compatibility with XB1.
Starting a new console gen with an XB2 would see it go right up against the combined might of a PS4K and PS4 with an install base of, what, 60 million at the time of its release? Of course, MS will make games 100% cross-compatible between PC and XB2, but still.