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Late Night Wars - Conan's last Tonight Show was TONIGHT a long time ago

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http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2010/01/13/130-conan-obrien/

The recent news that Conan O’Brien will be replaced by Jay Leno has caused white people to erupt with rage and hostility. You might even expect them to lash out and do something about it like take to the streets or write a letter to NBC to voice their dissatisfaction with the network. But no, white people will solve this problem the way that they solved the election crisis in Iran – through Facebook and Twitter status updates. In 2009, millions of white people took 35 seconds to turn their twitter profiles green, and consequently sent a very powerful message to the leaders of Iran. Their message was that they wanted their friends to know that they would stop at nothing to ensure freedom and democracy for the Iranian people. Thanks in large part to that effort Iran is now completely democratic. With that issue settled, white people are launching a similar campaign for Conan that is sure to have similar results.

It is not hard to understand why white people love Conan O’Brien, he embodies so many of the things they already like before he even opens his mouth: Ivy League Schools, Red Hair, the Boston Red Sox, Self Deprecating Humor, The Simpsons, and Bad Memories of High School (likely, but not confirmed). Seeing him on television five nights a week is a comforting reminder of community to the white people who still have televisions.

But if your plan is to try to use Conan O’Brien as a way to get white people to become more interested you, then it is imperative that you understand a few key rules. Firstly, all white people love “the masturbating bear,” if you don’t know what this is, do not worry. Just state your love for the character, and the white person you are talking to will simply fill in the rest. Secondly, all white people believe that Andy Richter never should have left the show. And finally, you should do your best to develop a “Triumph the Insult Comic Dog” impression. All white people already have one, so you might as well try to fit in. Complete these steps and watch your friendship with white people become considerably smoother.

Now, the biggest and most important thing to remember is to never, under any circumstances bring up a Conan O’Brien sketch or joke that has taken place in the last three years. You will be met with only blank stares. For you see, while white people will fiercely support Conan O’Brien in any public forum, they always fail to support him in the only way that actually helps – by watching his show.

Note: Under no circumstances should you ever mention that you prefer Jay Leno. This might cause white people to think you have the same taste in humor as the wrong kind of white people, or worse, their parents.
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beermonkey@tehbias said:
Can you even imagine how badly the Tonight Show with Jay Leno would have crashed and burned if Johnny had moved to 10pm instead of retiring?
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That is really an amazing way to put it. Definitely brings in a new perspective. I don't think the Tonight Show with Leno would have a shot in hell with a Johnny Carson show airing at 10pm.

Same thing here with Leno and Conan. I'd like some other replies to you post.
 
I feel sorry for Jay Leno. I think the reason why he's getting all this hate from TV lately is because of the screwjob he pulled back in the early 90's. Apparently people haven't forgotten.
 
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Internet hates Jay confirmed. :lol
 
Jason's Ultimatum said:
Kimmel had Leno on his show like a few months back or something, and they seemed to be good friends.
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Is there anyone before this whole thing, besides Howard Stern and David Letterman that Leno didn't appear to be great friends with? That's his thing. He gets along with everyone b/c he is such a great down to earth guy....right?
 
thetrin said:
A well established late night show is doing better than a show that's had a new host for 7 months? YOU DON'T SAY.
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He was also soundly trouncing Letterman in the ratings for the first month. He had those viewers and then lost most of those viewers to Letterman. Also, he's not a NEW host. Why can't people understand this? He's been in the public eye for more than 15 years. Everyone here seems to apply the idea that Jay Leno is the same guy at 10:00 that he was at 11:30. Why doesn't this apply to Conan?

thetrin said:
When did I say anything about commercials?
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You were whining about how Conan's show is never mentioned during Leno's. Part of promoting a show is commercials--NBC used to air a ton of commercials about Late Night with Conan O'Brien during the Tonight Show. NBC could have done the same thing during the Jay Leno Show, but they didn't. It's not Jay's fault they didn't air them.
 
Plinko said:
He was also soundly trouncing Letterman in the ratings for the first month. He had those viewers and then lost most of those viewers to Letterman. Also, he's not a NEW host. Why can't people understand this? He's been in the public eye for more than 15 years. Everyone here seems to apply the idea that Jay Leno is the same guy at 10:00 that he was at 11:30. Why doesn't this apply to Conan?



You were whining about how Conan's show is never mentioned during Leno's. Part of promoting a show is commercials--NBC used to air a ton of commercials about Late Night with Conan O'Brien during the Tonight Show. NBC could have done the same thing during the Jay Leno Show, but they didn't. It's not Jay's fault they didn't air them.
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The people watching at 11:35 are quite different than those at 10:35. The high ratings at first indicated that people were interested to see what the 'new guy' (in terms of the time slot) had to offer but that once they saw that Conan was very, very different from Leno, they decided to tune in to Letterman, a more established name. That's my take, anyway.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
The people watching at 11:35 are quite different than those at 10:35. The high ratings at first indicated that people were interested to see what the 'new guy' (in terms of the time slot) had to offer but that once they saw that Conan was very, very different from Leno, they decided to tune in to Letterman, a more established name. That's my take, anyway.
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It seems to me that the wheels started falling off right around the start of The Jay Leno Show / the real Fall season with networks that had actual content.
 
Schlep said:
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It seems to me that the wheels started falling off right around the start of The Jay Leno Show / the real Fall season with networks that had actual content.[/QUOTE]
my thought is that the swap between Conan and Letterman happened right when that big blackmail scandal with Letterman was happening (October) - people tuning in to see what Letterman would say. Same with the huge spike with last nights tonight show.
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Schlep said:
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It seems to me that the wheels started falling off right around the start of The Jay Leno Show / the real Fall season with networks that had actual content.
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September was also when Letterman's sex/extortion scandal broke, so that definitely gave his ratings a boost.
 
Most of the Letterman results are about him being a creepy old pervert, and people seem to think both Jay and Conan are Republicans?
 
thetrin said:
A well established late night show is doing better than a show that's had a new host for 7 months? YOU DON'T SAY.
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Don't forget how that big rise for the Late Show got there: Dave was caught with his pants down :lol

edit: late :(
 
Plinko said:
Leno also wasn't on TV for 15 years previously to his taking over the Tonight Show.
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Leno was the permanent guest host for Johnny for a number of years and had hosted the Tonight Show hundreds of time before he took over. Moreover, his ratings were occasionally higher than Carson's were when he was the guest host thanks largely to the younger demographic and female viewers. Some executives saw this as an excuse to push Carson (who had a $20 million contract) out the door, and Leno sped things up with some underhanded and downright unethical tactics. But that's another story altogether...

In any case, Leno already had an audience when he took over the Tonight Show, and the viewers watching at 11:30 knew exactly who he was. It's worth noting that the ratings for Leno's first week as host were 22% higher than the ratings for Johnny's last year as host and 53% higher than the ratings from the same time period the previous year. Rest assured, Leno already had an established audience when he took over the show. People were interested when Leno took over and they tuned in when he was just starting out. His ratings quickly dissipated, however. As it turns out, Leno simply wasn't able to appeal to Johnny's audience on a long-term basis and it took him the better part of two years to build an audience of his own. It should also be pointed out that Leno's show only became a success after his show was retooled. He got a new band leader, his set was redesigned, and new writers were brought in. The fact that Leno's rise coincided with NBC's prime time lineup dominating the ratings was no coincidence.

Anyone who knows anything about television should expect there to be a transition period when a show changes host. NBC is obviously run by idiots, but I refuse to believe that the executives in charge of this transition expected Conan's ratings to be as high as Leno's were right from the beginning. More likely, Conan's ratings are doing exactly as expected. Conan's ratings are not the issue here. The fact of the matter is that NBC has contracts with both Conan and Leno. This fuck up is going to cost them millions of dollars regardless of which direction they go. Rest assured, any decision they make has more to do with current contracts than it does with either man's viability as a late night talk show host.
 
Schlep said:
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It seems to me that the wheels started falling off right around the start of The Jay Leno Show / the real Fall season with networks that had actual content.
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Given what people have been saying you would think that Letterman is doing far better relative to Conan than this chart indicates.
 
Zeliard said:
Given what people have been saying you would think that Letterman is doing far better relative to Conan than this chart indicates.
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Its the 18-49 male demographic, not ratings overall.

However, its the most important demographic, and where advertisers will spend a lot of money.
 
Zeliard said:
Given what people have been saying you would think that Letterman is doing far better relative to Conan than this chart indicates.
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In short. Monkeys run NBC.

Sorry, that is an insult to primates. They can do a better job than NBC executives.
 
Zeliard said:
Given what people have been saying you would think that Letterman is doing far better relative to Conan than this chart indicates.
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Letterman has him (by quite a bit, for late night TV) in overall, and not that much in the 18-49 demo

But thats not the only demographic, just the most important one.
 
BrandNew said:
Jesus christ, is the a humored bone in your fucking body?

Oh wait, you're a Leno white knight, guess not.
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fuck off. Ive already said I like Conan more than I like leno.

Its just fucking old and ridiculous all the shit Leno is getting for this, from idiots like you and the 5 other people that quoted me.
 
captive said:
fuck off. Ive already said I like Conan more than I like leno.

Its just fucking old and ridiculous all the shit Leno is getting for this, from idiots like you and the 5 other people that quoted me.
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People should probably stop making jokes and just sit in silence from now on.
 
captive said:
fuck off. Ive already said I like Conan more than I like leno.

Its just fucking old and ridiculous all the shit Leno is getting for this, from idiots like you and the 5 other people that quoted me.
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I think the famous guy with the piles of money can handle being hassled by some nerds on a message board that he never reads. You, however, can't seem to, so maybe you should relax your shoulders and think a happy thought.

This made me laugh earlier, maybe it'll help you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of4xW5SnzfY
 
captive said:
fuck off. Ive already said I like Conan more than I like leno.

Its just fucking old and ridiculous all the shit Leno is getting for this, from idiots like you and the 5 other people that quoted me.
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We get it already, stop making our point for us over and over again!
 
captive said:
fuck off. Ive already said I like Conan more than I like leno.

Its just fucking old and ridiculous all the shit Leno is getting for this, from idiots like you and the 5 other people that quoted me.
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Kano On The Phone said:
I think the famous guy with the piles of money can handle being hassled by some nerds on a message board that he never reads. You, however, can't seem to, so maybe you should relax your shoulders and think a happy thought.

This made me laugh earlier, maybe it'll help you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of4xW5SnzfY
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That's an awesome video. Especially the South Park segment. :lol I also like the vid of Conan's first episode of the Tonight Show where he runs from NY to LA.



Btw, Captive, it's obvious that gaf is so overwhelmingly part of team Conan, that Leno is made out to be Satan himself, and Conan a poor poor angel of a chap. We all know the reality lies somewhere in between, but you don't have to get all up in arms over every single post in this thread that's (perhaps over the top) pro-Conan or anti-Leno. Don't sweat it and give the Conan fans the chance to be enraged now, because the situation is pretty shitty for Conan.
 
BrandNew said:
Leno definitely reeks of Republican, but who cares about that.
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I find him to be pretty balanced which is why I like his monlogues better than Letterman who is unabashedly a Republican hater:lol .

Between the Bush jokes and the Palin jokes, was there ever a question who he was voting for?
 
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