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Late Night Wars - Conan's last Tonight Show was TONIGHT a long time ago

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Number 2 said:
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edit: knowing the context behind it makes it all the crazier. Like when he starts reciting the story of the 3 little pigs. If it was just random bullshit, wouldnt be as scary imo.
And with that, another Simpsons reference becomes clear to me.


Homer doing the "Heeeeere's Johnny!" scene in the Treehouse of Horror Episode where but instead he says "Daaaavid Letterman!" and "I'm Mike Wallace, I'm Morley Safer, and I'm Ed Bradley. All this and Andy Rooney tonight on 60 Minutes".

Nice.
 
In regards to Stern, he could go either on Thursday or Friday. I'd bet Friday so he doesn't fly on a workday.

Thats if he's going. He's off on Monday, so if he goes, he'll let us know starting Tuesday.
 
Do you guys remember when Conan's show was rerun the next day on Comedy Central? That was awesome, in fact, thats when I started watching Conan.

Why'd they stop doing that?
 
gdt5016 said:
Do you guys remember when Conan's show was rerun the next day on Comedy Central? That was awesome, in fact, thats when I started watching Conan.

Why'd they stop doing that?

If I'm not mistaken, it was getting great ratings on CC, and NBC got upset about that. They moved the show from CC to CNBC, and then that too eventually stopped.

JzeroT1437 said:
There are people who don't know who Johnny Carson was? That's so freaking weird to me.
There are people who don't even know who Letterman is, and he's still on TV. The fact that people think the last week or so was uniquely funny for him is scary. He's been doing that exact same style of comedy for 30 years.
 
gdt5016 said:
Do you guys remember when Conan's show was rerun the next day on Comedy Central? That was awesome, in fact, thats when I started watching Conan.

Why'd they stop doing that?

They also showed it for awhile on CNBC when I was in high school. That was awesome.

edit: Watching Season 5 of the Simpsons right now in honor of Conan. I know he was mainly Season 4 and left during 5, but it's my favorite season dammit!
 
Anyone else noticed that now when Conan doesn't really care about anything anymore he's resurrecting all of his Late Night entrance moves like the string dance and the jump+twirl thing? I love it.
 
DungeonO said:
If I'm not mistaken, it was getting great ratings on CC, and NBC got upset about that. They moved the show from CC to CNBC, and then that too eventually stopped.
I remember in high school that is how I was able to watch Conan by watching him on Comedy Central. It was the best.
 
Souldriver said:
And with that, another Simpsons reference becomes clear to me.


Homer doing the "Heeeeere's Johnny!" scene in the Treehouse of Horror Episode where but instead he says "Daaaavid Letterman!" and "I'm Mike Wallace, I'm Morley Safer, and I'm Ed Bradley. All this and Andy Rooney tonight on 60 Minutes".

Nice.
dude how old are you? I mean i fully get that the simpsons is so great that you can watch shit over and over and pick up new references each time, but dayum, you didnt know the shinning reference? That entire portion of treehouse of horror WAS the Shining.

Grounds keeper willie "you mean the shinning do you want to get sued"
 
So what's the schedule going to look like after next Friday? I thought the Leno show was supposed to go until the Olympics. If Conan is done next week, what's going to be aired until then?
 
Guy Legend said:
So what's the schedule going to look like after next Friday? I thought the Leno show was supposed to go until the Olympics. If Conan is done next week, what's going to be aired until then?

Reruns, I guess.
 
Guy Legend said:
So what's the schedule going to look like after next Friday? I thought the Leno show was supposed to go until the Olympics. If Conan is done next week, what's going to be aired until then?
We dont know for sure but prob this week will be conans last. Before olympics they will prob just show reruns. And then after olympics jay will start
 
ugh, just last week I bought an HD antenna for my new TV because I don't get cable. I finally got to watch coco in HD for free. That didn't last long : (
I'm not a huge Leno hater, I just never thought he was funny or a good comic. I'm going to go listen to Bill Hicks' bit about Leno shooting himself in the head on the Tonight Show set.
 
captive said:
dude how old are you? I mean i fully get that the simpsons is so great that you can watch shit over and over and pick up new references each time, but dayum, you didnt know the shinning reference? That entire portion of treehouse of horror WAS the Shining.

Grounds keeper willie "you mean the shinning do you want to get sued"

He means the "Herreeee's Johnny" bit, from when Nicholson/Homer takes the axe to the door.

Which would in turn make the Letterman/60 Minutes bits Homer tries on the next doors go right over someones head if they didn't know it was a Carson reference.
 
captive said:
dude how old are you? I mean i fully get that the simpsons is so great that you can watch shit over and over and pick up new references each time, but dayum, you didnt know the shinning reference? That entire portion of treehouse of horror WAS the Shining.

Grounds keeper willie "you mean the shinning do you want to get sued"
Souldriver isn't American. If I'm not mistaken he's Belgian.
 
I am so curious to see what exactly Leno is going to say on his first night back in the Tonight Show. Do you guys think he is just going to pretend like nothing happened? That would be so creepy.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
I am so curious to see what exactly Leno is going to say on his first night back in the Tonight Show. Do you guys think he is just going to pretend like nothing happened? That would be so creepy.

i think a couple small jokes about it during the monologue but thats all.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
I am so curious to see what exactly Leno is going to say on his first night back in the Tonight Show. Do you guys think he is just going to pretend like nothing happened? That would be so creepy.

That seems to be his schtick. I can't see him saying anything other than "it's good to be back" or some bullshit and then moving on with the show as if he never left.
 
quadriplegicjon said:
I am so curious to see what exactly Leno is going to say on his first night back in the Tonight Show. Do you guys think he is just going to pretend like nothing happened? That would be so creepy.
Not only that, he'll have NBC destroy the episode of Tonight where he handed the torch to Conan.
 
I think the only way Jay could possibly turn this thing into something remotely tolerable is if he started an occasional segment on what shows he'll take over next.
 
This Carson talk makes me feel very old. :( In my mind he'll always be the gold standard. I guess Letterman comes the closest these days, but he's not as great as he was in his Late Night heyday. I really feel like Conan and Andy had the potential to get the Tonight Show back to the standards set by Steve Allen, Jack Paar and Johnny Carson. I just feel like Leno is a pandering suck-up and not entertaining in the least. He was a very good stand-up in the 80's but he just seems like a soulless automaton to me since taking over TTS. I was talking to a friend of mine the other day about Leno's failure in prime time and wondering why his fanbase didn't seem to follow him over. My friend said, "People were actually awake and realized he's not very funny."
 
quadriplegicjon said:
I am so curious to see what exactly Leno is going to say on his first night back in the Tonight Show. Do you guys think he is just going to pretend like nothing happened? That would be so creepy.
The morons in his audience will give him a super long ovation. He'll make a joke about having a horrible nightmare that he was gone for 8 months. Cue Eubanks and the jazz roll.

You couldn't pay me to watch that idiot.
 
Tobor said:
The morons in his audience will give him a super long ovation. He'll make a joke about having a horrible nightmare that he was gone for 8 months. Cue Eubanks and the jazz roll.

You couldn't pay me to watch that idiot.

That nightmare joke is probably exactly what he is going to say.
 
Revolver said:
This Carson talk makes me feel very old. :( In my mind he'll always be the gold standard. I guess Letterman comes the closest these days, but he's not as great as he was in his Late Night heyday. I really feel like Conan and Andy had the potential to get the Tonight Show back to the standards set by Steve Allen, Jack Paar and Johnny Carson. I just feel like Leno is a pandering suck-up and not entertaining in the least. He was a very good stand-up in the 80's but he just seems like a soulless automaton to me since taking over TTS. I was talking to a friend of mine the other day about Leno's failure in prime time and wondering why his fanbase didn't seem to follow him over. My friend said, "People were actually awake and realized he's not very funny."
This is what I was most interested in. I wanted to look back and have Leno be this shitty 17 year blemish on the program, and that Conan had brought it back to it's cultural and creative zenith. Now Leno gets 5 more years at least to burn The Tonight Show to the ground.
 
Regarding carson im old enough to remember his last few years and he wasnt funny tOo me. Im sure he had his moments he was on for 30 years but ed next to him being a personal laugh track (the same kevin is for jay) is lame and things like carnac was much more miss then hit to me. Carsons place as a tv legend is secure he had a hit show from early 60s to the early 90s. And a lot of that run there were very few tv channels he was a big dog and everyone knew it. My personal favorite is letterman but he wont have the influence carson did just like conan wont that letterman does. They each build off each other and put their spin and ideas on it but as society becomes more fragmented and had more entertainment options they have less power.
 
jwj442 said:
So if Conan gets a show on Fox, what do you think the chances are of Andy and Max coming with him?

150%. Max is fine with juggling Springstein with Conan, and Andy, well, sadly he's never going to achieve the status he wants to.
 
goldenticket said:
Regarding carson im old enough to remember his last few years and he wasnt funny tOo me. Im sure he had his moments he was on for 30 years but ed next to him being a personal laugh track (the same kevin is for jay) is lame and things like carnac was much more miss then hit to me. Carsons place as a tv legend is secure he had a hit show from early 60s to the early 90s. And a lot of that run there were very few tv channels he was a big dog and everyone knew it. My personal favorite is letterman but he wont have the influence carson did just like conan wont that letterman does. They each build off each other and put their spin and ideas on it but as society becomes more fragmented and had more entertainment options they have less power.

Carson slowed down in his last few years, and as a kid growing up in the 80's, Dave was the hipper edgier host, just like Conan was.

But the thing about Carson, it was like watching your Grandpa every night. He was charming , and when a joke bombed his reaction would save the day. He was just comfortable, and even though you knew Letterman was technically funnier, you never dissed your Grandpa.
 
The other day, I watched David Letterman's biography on tv and for about halo an hour, they also talked about Jay Leno.
Basically, when he was younger, he went on the Tonight Show and Johnny Carson hated him, and never invited him back.

David Letterman though, started inviting him, and gave him a weekly sketch at his show. Which means Letterman basically "launched" Leno.

This is when I found out that Leno is a awful backstabber because - knowing that Letterman, the man who helped him be famous, wanted to host the Tonight show for years - got an agent to secretly try to get Carson's place on the Tonight Show. Yes Jay Leno, you betrayed a person who was a friend and who helped you go up in your life and now you're screwing Conan.

Oh, and you're not funny.
 
goldenticket said:
Regarding carson im old enough to remember his last few years and he wasnt funny tOo me. Im sure he had his moments he was on for 30 years but ed next to him being a personal laugh track (the same kevin is for jay) is lame and things like carnac was much more miss then hit to me. Carsons place as a tv legend is secure he had a hit show from early 60s to the early 90s. And a lot of that run there were very few tv channels he was a big dog and everyone knew it. My personal favorite is letterman but he wont have the influence carson did just like conan wont that letterman does. They each build off each other and put their spin and ideas on it but as society becomes more fragmented and had more entertainment options they have less power.

Yeah Carson was pretty unfunny his last few years. Of course, no one would dare say it publicly at the time, and nobody is going to say it now. Leno to me, was tolerable, but I'd only watch him if he had certain celebs or musicians on that I really wanted to see. Same with Letterman. As for Conan, I just don't get him. I guess its a generational thing. The generation behind me all seem to love him, but I don't get it. He's had some hilarious skits, but his monologues are nothing special compared to his late night competition. My all-time favorite late night show was the Arsenio Hall show from back in the late 80's-early 90's. They pulled the plug on him too quickly.
 
bill0527 said:
Yeah Carson was pretty unfunny his last few years. Of course, no one would dare say it publicly at the time, and nobody is going to say it now. Leno to me, was tolerable, but I'd only watch him if he had certain celebs or musicians on that I really wanted to see. Same with Letterman. As for Conan, I just don't get him. I guess its a generational thing. The generation behind me all seem to love him, but I don't get it. He's had some hilarious skits, but his monologues are nothing special compared to his late night competition. My all-time favorite late night show was the Arsenio Hall show from back in the late 80's-early 90's. They pulled the plug on him too quickly.

Any die-hard Conan fan will tell you the best parts of his monologue are when a joke completely bombs and he has to figure out some way to save it. The written parts of his monologue have always been passable at best, it's the frantic clowning that makes it stand out.
 
jwj442 said:
So if Conan gets a show on Fox, what do you think the chances are of Andy and Max coming with him?

Max is 100% on board I suspect, but I really do hope Andy doesn't come along. Conan was doing just fine without Andy in the Late Night show and would have done well without him in Tonight show. Also what are the chances Conan growing his beard back if he gets a show on fox ?

Bring back the beard Conan !
 
bill0527 said:
Yeah Carson was pretty unfunny his last few years. Of course, no one would dare say it publicly at the time, and nobody is going to say it now. Leno to me, was tolerable, but I'd only watch him if he had certain celebs or musicians on that I really wanted to see. Same with Letterman. As for Conan, I just don't get him. I guess its a generational thing. The generation behind me all seem to love him, but I don't get it. He's had some hilarious skits, but his monologues are nothing special compared to his late night competition. My all-time favorite late night show was the Arsenio Hall show from back in the late 80's-early 90's. They pulled the plug on him too quickly.
Yes, Arsenio was awesome! But I liked Conan too. At least, I loved him back in college. He was absolutely on fire the election year 1996. The Clinton and Dole cutouts were the start of the whole bit IIRC. PEACE.
 
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