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But in TLoU2 they’re obviously rubbing it on everyone’s face especially with that scene that add N O T H I N G
Yes, in a story clearly about taking revenge after seemingly a bunch of people Ellie cares about are killed, establishing that the main character is romantically involved with another "adds nothing" :pie_eyeroll:
 

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Seems to me people just use that as an excuse more than anything. Ellie is a perfect example; it may have been established she's gay 5 years ago, some people still lost their shit because of the TLOU2 trailer and pretty much demanded any scenes relating to her sexuality be removed totally because "virtue signalling", SJW, whatever other buzz word and not because they're homophobic or anything, yo. No matter that a lot of these people say they find gay people to be disgusting and don't want it in their games, it's TOTALLY just because of "no politics in games". Because apparently being gay and having gay characters is a political statement now.
Aside from the fact the sight of two gay men kissing has been scientifically proven to be disturbing for straight men, it also is totally is a political statement if it's a nod to these people.



That is why it's usually lesbians and never gay men, it's dishonest pinkwashing, because a lot of men don't mind sapphic material however political it is, so it's sort of a trojan horse.
 
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But in TLoU2 they’re obviously rubbing it on everyone’s face especially with that scene that add N O T H I N G
>im smelly LOLE
>teehee silly boy i am actually a lesbio!!!
shit was embarrassing honestly. sounds like the game was written by a bunch of male feminists.

Yes, in a story clearly about taking revenge after seemingly a bunch of people Ellie cares about are killed, establishing that the main character is romantically involved with another "adds nothing" :pie_eyeroll:
>10 second long tongue sucking scene
yeah that was clearly needed :rolleyes:
 

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Yes, in a story clearly about taking revenge after seemingly a bunch of people Ellie cares about are killed, establishing that the main character is romantically involved with another "adds nothing" :pie_eyeroll:
Yes it adds nothing especially by how they forced it. And in TLoU DLC they had a kissing scene between two under aged girls. Here goes Druckmann the prick pushing it
 
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>10 second long tongue sucking scene
yeah that was clearly needed :rolleyes:
If it was a man and a women you wouldn't even be questioning it.
Aside from the fact the sight of two gay men kissing has been scientifically proven to be disturbing for straight men, it also is totally is a political statement if it's a nod to these people.



That is why it's usually lesbians and never gay men, it's dishonest pinkwashing, because a lot of men don't mind sapphic material however political it is, so it's sort of a trojan horse.
This only really works in a word where everything is a conspiracy theory. Different people run this through their own filters, SJWs & Anti-SJWs. Doesn't really change much to the fact that being gay and having gay characters and actually showing that they are isn't a political statement.

Yes it adds nothing especially by how they forced it.
lol how did they "force it"? Also I'm curious to know how exactly any game can show gay characters are actually romantically involved without you seeing it as being "forced", then.

And in TLoU DLC they had a kissing scene between two under aged girls.
Terrible. Have you tried calling the FBI, yet?
 
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If it was out of nowhere and forced I’ll question it...
How was it "out of nowhere and forced"? And how would you do the scene without it being "out of nowhere and forced"?
 
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Eh, I think the line to actual homphobia has been crossed a few times in this thread now.

Goes to show how relevant a tweet like that can be.

Don´t get me wrong - I do believe that there is something like too much SJW bullshit in some places and cases, but Kratos being gay or not or two girls kissing is not it.
 
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Eh, I think the line to actual homphobia has been crossed a few times in this thread now.

Goes to show how relevant a tweet like that can be.

Don´t get me wrong - I do believe that there is something like too much SJW bullshit in some places and cases, but Kratos being gay or not or two girls kissing is not it.
Oh so discussing forcing unnecessary shit in games is now homophobia? Cool
 

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Simply build it up, give us a background. Don’t throw it their out of nowhere. It doesn’t need a rocket scientist
...In a trailer? How? Have it be 30mins long?

Why do you think I´m talking to or about you?
Because he's clearly one of the most homophobic people here and knows it :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
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...In a trailer? How? Have it be 30mins long?
In the game. What did anyone benefit out of that scene? Please enlighten me. I’d also criticise a man and a woman kissing or fucking out of nowhere too btw. Just saying it so you understand that I don’t give a fuck if anyone is straight, gay or whatever
 

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Because he's clearly one of the most homophobic people here and knows it :messenger_tears_of_joy:
A homophobic when two of my best friends are gay? Keep going to prove how much of an idiot you are. Good luck try harding showing your support for LGBTQ. Keep trying you’ll win their love🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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What's a genderfluid?

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Gender fluid is a gender identity best described as a dynamic mix of boy and a girl. A person who is Gender Fluid may always feel like a mix of the two traditional genders, but may feel more boy some days, and more girl other days. Being Gender Fluid has nothing to do with which set of genitalia one has, nor their sexual orientation.
 
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Seems to me people just use that as an excuse more than anything. Ellie is a perfect example; it may have been established she's gay 5 years ago, some people still lost their shit because of the TLOU2 trailer and pretty much demanded any scenes relating to her sexuality be removed totally because "virtue signalling", SJW, whatever other buzz word and not because they're homophobic or anything, yo. No matter that a lot of these people say they find gay people to be disgusting and don't want it in their games, it's TOTALLY just because of "no politics in games". Because apparently being gay and having gay characters is a political statement now.
Played the first game, if I'm not mistaken there's no indication of Ellie being lesbian? Well of course after Left Behind came out everyone knew about it.

Maybe for some, there's a sense of attachment to Ellie's character for them, and her being lesbian changed a big part of the equation that was first established from the first game. We had seen hints where there're boy/girl interaction from Ellie.

It's the same thing with LGBTQ people who are not so interested in the story of a straight char. focusing on his/her love story, well those whiny people may not be so interested anymore for the sequel, based on what was shown in the trailer.

It sucks, but that's just the way it is.
 
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Kratos was a Spartan, yup, he was bisexual, it was just how they operated, men would sleep with their wives at home and sleep with each other when off at war.

Not that ancient cultures like Rome and Greece put labels on human sexuality like we do today.

Played the first game, if I'm not mistaken there's no indication of Ellie being lesbian? Well of course after Left Behind came out everyone knew about it
There is one hint when she reacts with utter indifference to the nude men magazine she picks up from Bill's place.
 
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Seems to me people just use that as an excuse more than anything. Ellie is a perfect example; it may have been established she's gay 5 years ago, some people still lost their shit because of the TLOU2 trailer and pretty much demanded any scenes relating to her sexuality be removed totally because "virtue signalling", SJW, whatever other buzz word and not because they're homophobic or anything, yo. No matter that a lot of these people say they find gay people to be disgusting and don't want it in their games, it's TOTALLY just because of "no politics in games". Because apparently being gay and having gay characters is a political statement now.
"If you don't like forced propaganda you are an homophobe!"

 

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There is one hint when she reacts with utter indifference to the nude men magazine she picks up from Bill's place.
Is this where she talks with Joel in the car about cliffhanger in mags? I don't remember any indication of her actually seeing nude men in the magazine. It's just that she jokes about seeing people having sex, and her having weird face seeing it.

Maybe you should elaborate more, but for me that was kinda of stretching the point.


She have her first kiss with he black lady friend in the DLC
Yep Left Behind is the dlc.
 
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"If you don't like forced propaganda you are an homophobe!"

What about it is forced though? And how is it "propaganda"?

Some people are gay - nothing you can do about it.

Some people choose to represent those people in their creations (books/movies/games) - cool, no?

99% of everything is still aimed specifically at you and me - the straight dudes.

I think we can handle it.
 
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What did anyone benefit out of that scene? Please enlighten me.
Establish that Ellie has a romantic connection to another character in a game about revenge... This seems like the most obvious thing possible to show her motivations for wanting to kill a bunch of people. It's also a trailer so chances are it is built up in the game yet you don't know and still already raging and it was built up in Left Behind yet you still mad at that.
A homophobic when two of my best friends are gay?


I thought "I can't be X, I have Y friends" was a myth. I'm now a believer.

Played the first game, if I'm not mistaken there's no indication of Ellie being lesbian?
This is the case with most games, though. There was no indication she was straight. I mean fuck, Joel is a single father without any evidence he cares about Sarah's mother (no pictures, no mention of her), who later pals around with a women he vaguely at one point has a first date joke with but otherwise it's pretty clear they aren't in anyway romantically involved and his only other "friend" is gay. At what point are we ever meant to assume Joel is straight?

That's just a reality with a lot of games; we generally don't learn about which way a character leans because it's irrelevant to the plot in place. But other games, like Days Gone, God of War, Max Payne, Dante's Inferno and a bunch of others it serves a purpose to show that when the main character is motivated by the death or capture of a loved one, that said loved one actually exists and the main character actually, you know, loves them.

forced propaganda
Ah yes, that propaganda pushed by the evil nation of Gaytopia and it's ministry of gay information to destroy all straight people and have the gay master race reign supreme.
 
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Is this where she talks with Joel in the car about cliffhanger in mags? I don't remember any indication of her actually seeing nude men in the magazine. It's just that she jokes about seeing people having sex, and it her having weird face seeing it.

Maybe you should elaborate more, but for me that was kinda of stretching the point.
Well, keep in mind I haven't seen that scene since 2013, but from what I remember, it's implied to be a porn mag and you can thus surmise that it's gay pornography since Bill is gay.

What I found stupid about that scene though was Joel being upset that she was looking at it, as if anyone 20 years into a post-apocalyptic world would care about that.
 

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I thought "I can't be X, I have Y friends" was a myth. I'm now a believer.
My point was clear from the very beginning but IQ toooo low to understand apparently. Not repeating myself again. Good luck with the try harding and stupidity
 

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What about it is forced though? And how is it "propaganda"?

Some people are gay - nothing you can do about it.

Some people choose to represent those people in their creations (books/movies/games) - cool, no?

99% of everything is still aimed specifically at you and me - the straight dudes.

I think we can handle it.
If you can't see the difference between the Ghostbusters reboot or Alien, for example, then I understand that you couldn't see the obvious political indoctrination behind all the recent "diversity" pushed in videogames.

Ah yes, that propaganda pushed by the evil nation of Gaytopia and it's ministry of gay information to destroy all straight people and have the gay master race reign supreme.


Thank God we the people of Whitetopia are always here to destroy your dreams of diversity and put all gays into concentration camps.

Are you literally shaking right now? You should.
 

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If you can't see the difference between the Ghostbusters reboot or Alien, for example, then I understand that you couldn't see the obvious political indoctrination behind all the recent "diversity" pushed in videogames.
Apples and oranges.

Also: first "Propaganda", now "Indoctrination" - come on.
 

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My point was clear from the very beginning but IQ toooo low to understand apparently. Not repeating myself again. Good luck with the try harding and stupidity
Dude, your point is pretty much "I don't want gay people in games but I'm totally not a homophobe but because vague politics I won't go into."

I've asked you multiple times how you can show gay characters in a trailer and a game without it being "forced" and your reply is just a vague"build it up", then you don't reply to anything else. You should get a medal for all of the dodging you've been doing in this thread. But either way, good luck with your totally non-homophobic crusade against gay characters in games. Keep firm grip on that "Politics" shield you're hiding behind, though.

If you can't see the difference between the Ghostbusters reboot or Alien, for example, then I understand that you couldn't see the obvious political indoctrination behind all the recent "diversity" pushed in videogames.
Why can't anyone answer the simple question how is it "forced" and how could you show gay people in games without it being "forced"?

Thank God we the people of Whitetopia are always here to destroy your dreams of diversity and put all gays into concentration camps.

Are you literally shaking right now? You should.
lol I don't even know what this is meant to mean XD
 

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I thought "I can't be X, I have Y friends" was a myth. I'm now a believer.
But why?
I mean, how/why would anyone make friends with people one hates?

...establishing that the main character is romantically involved with another "adds nothing" :pie_eyeroll:...
Have we seen the same trailer?
I saw a drunk girl (who, I recall from Title Something proceedings, cannot control herself) who is in straight relationships with a guy, sexually assault (?) a girl, who she knew was homosexual, in front of... everyone, I guess.

Is that the "romantic involvement" you meant?
 

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Apples and oranges.

Also: first "Propaganda", now "Indoctrination" - come on.
Apples and oranges? It's literally the same modus operandi coming from the same movement.

And propaganda an indoctrination are almost the same thing.

Why can't anyone answer the simple question how is it "forced" and how could you show gay people in games without it being "forced"?
By not making it a feat in itself? By not making it a political statement? By not making it something it had to be done? By not being confrontative with it?

lol I don't even know what this is meant to mean XD
Gaytopia send their regards.
 

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This is the case with most games, though. There was no indication she was straight. I mean fuck, Joel is a single father without any evidence he cares about Sarah's mother (no pictures, no mention of her), who later pals around with a women he vaguely at one point has a first date joke with but otherwise it's pretty clear they aren't in anyway romantically involved and his only other "friend" is gay. At what point are we ever meant to assume Joel is straight?
Of course they will assume she's straight when they are straight themselves. It's the 'norm' for them, and I hate to say it, but it's their so called 'market' in the first place.

You having having this analogy will only rile them up and not solving their problem. For example they totally have no problem when they area attracted to someone, no need to ask/ infer or anything, just gungho onto the business. It's not the same thing at all with gay people.
 
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watch every character be gay in Death Stranding.

Anyways, Kratos hanging out too much with Alexander III of Macedon.
 

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Mario was progressive raging homo first.

Kratos is opressive hwite mail
 
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Of course they will assume she's straight when they are straight themselves. It's the 'norm' for them, and I hate to say it, but it's their so called 'market' in the first place.
It's the norm in the entire world, lesbians are a super tiny minority of the population.

You having having this analogy will only rile them up and not solving their problem. For example they totally have no problem when they area attracted to someone, no need to ask/ infer or anything, just gungho onto the business. It's not the same thing at all with gay people.
Yeah, I fucking hated Renly Baratheon for being interested in Loras Tyrell instead of the true Queen of Westeros, that smirking whore from Highgarden.



How dare he! Fucking gaytopians.
 
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Are there still people irrationally salty about the TLoU2 scene? Ellie is gay and it was very well done being outright revealed in Left Behind.

Also, I assume this is clearly a joke from the onset, especially since it was prefaced with "not to get all J.K. Rowling", because if he added "btw, Kratos is now bi" it would literally be doing a Rowling. It's easy to throw meaningless factoids for creators, but it's generally just degrading and makes very few happy. Most gay people I know would just want someone who's intended gay from the on set, or if they're supposed to be only hinted gay, then they want it not to be thrown out there like the worst cliché, unless it's meant to be cheesy in the DMC1 way. Some don't mind the clichés as they're a part of the community, but generally it's a desire for more diverse showing of gay people. A lot of them dislike flaunting as a way for developers to pat themselves on the back, treating the character as the label instead of as the character they're supposed to be, whereupon sexuality is just one aspect.
 
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Have we seen the same trailer?
I saw a drunk girl (who, I recall from Title Something proceedings, cannot control herself) who is in straight relationships with a guy, sexually assault (?) a girl, who she knew was homosexual, in front of... everyone, I guess.

Is that the "romantic involvement" you meant?
I think the biased lenes you saw that trailer through definitely means we didn't see the same one, no.

By not making it a feat in itself? By not making it a political statement? By not making it something it had to be done? By not being confrontative with it?
How is it any of those things? By simply existing? This is all stuff people are applying to the trailer in their own headspace. It's a catch 22 because any situation where a gay character appears is going to be perceived as a "political statement", so the only way around it is to have no gay characters or extremely vague, hiding the fact gay characters where it's only said but never shown.

How can you show gay characters kissing in a game without it being any of those things to you?

Of course they will assume she's straight when they are straight themselves. It's the 'norm' for them, and I hate to say it, but it's their so called 'market' in the first place.
I agree, being straight is statistically the norm so unless told it's perfectly normal to assume a character is straight if nothing tells us otherwise. My issue is we weren't told though, and when a characters turns out to be gay, not being told either way is seen as actually being told the character was straight all along.

You having having this analogy will only rile them up and not solving their problem. For example they totally have no problem when they area attracted to someone, no need to ask/ infer or anything, just gungho onto the business. It's not the same thing at all with gay people.
lol I don't care too much about how many fee-fees I hurt and I think their problems aren't ever going to be solved on an internet forum. It just blows my mind how many people take this "no gays in games" stance, either because they do just hate gay people or they're so entwined in the "Anti-SJW" movement (to a cult-like level) that they push racist/homophobic/transphobic talking points just because they think they're enlocked in a "culture war" they need to win by siding with the worst kinds of people and unknowingly advance their political agendas. Everything relating to gay rights, multiculturalism, whatever is a left wing conspiracy that only aims to destroy them no matter from who, no matter the context.

I used to be all anti-SJW, I still believe GG was a noble cause but It's so apparent that disagreeing with SJWs has been hijacked by far right political talking heads just like GG was. A lot of these "free thinking anti-SJWs" don't even realise they're having their strings pulled and are almost drowning in kool aid.
 

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Seems to me people just use that as an excuse more than anything. Ellie is a perfect example; it may have been established she's gay 5 years ago, some people still lost their shit because of the TLOU2 trailer and pretty much demanded any scenes relating to her sexuality be removed totally because "virtue signalling", SJW, whatever other buzz word and not because they're homophobic or anything, yo. No matter that a lot of these people say they find gay people to be disgusting and don't want it in their games, it's TOTALLY just because of "no politics in games". Because apparently being gay and having gay characters is a political statement now.
I understand what you say. But this is diferent. I know Jeff is joking. But lets asume he is not. Whats the point of say after 15 years Kratos is Bi ? Why now ?
I think it's ofensive for gay community.
Imagine Neil saying after some years Ellie was Bi, but for some reason he forgot to said because "reasons".

But in TLoU2 they’re obviously rubbing it on everyone’s face especially with that scene that add N O T H I N G
We know now that Ellie is seeking revenge for Dina. She loves her. At least the trailer sugest that.
 
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