Tizoc
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League of Legends |OT13| Diamond is Unreachable
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Morde isn't weak by any means.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Hes super weak. No cc.
.....in which metric would you call him "not weak"?
Mordekaiser is a juggernaut. Of course he doesn't have CC. His job is to do a lot of damage and also be hard to kill. The rest of your team is supposed to provide the gapclosing.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
THIS PICTURE
is pretty good
Other Juggernauts with CC-
Nasus
Darius
Illaoi(Only if they run from the spirit)
Trundle
Olaf
Udyr
Mundo
Volibear
Yorick
Hmm yeah, Juggernauts do have CC. Also Mordekaiser is surprisingly squishy. And if he doesn't build damage, unlike other Juggernauts, he ends up not doing..alot of damage.
Sure, he wants to buy those items and they might help, but that doesn't change the fact that he still has zero built-in CC compared to other champions in his same role. The items are also gold-dependant, so he can be kept in a CC-less state for longer if he gets an unfavorable match-up or lots of gank pressure, I guess.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Ive probably played more morde pre and post rework than you have in those two years. You aint fooling anyone newt.
What is "the same role"? Morde flexes between bot lane carry and solo lanes. When people talk about having CC they obviously mean hard CC, because having someone like Nasus or Yorick do not actually control fights or make up for an absence of hard CC on the rest of your team. Morde is decent and has uses into certain matchups or with certain comps. Not all champs need the same toolkit.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
When I say CC
I mean any form of CC. Slow, stun, physical blockation.
Also you insult Nasus. He gets in an adcs face, adc runs away, bam controlled fight.
And you apparently learned nothing from those games, because you seem to think that morde is somehow a weak pick because of lack of cc.
Morde is resourceless and has infinite sustain with w Max. He's deceptively tanky with his W spellvamp and he can be flexed in a solo lane or as an ADC.
Guess the concept of a "niche" is too much for this thread. Guess I shouldn't be surprised, after all it was just a month ago where people where complaining that ADCs without gap closers were weak.
ppl so dramatic lately -__-
can we have a constructive discourse without being sardonic (lol)
be kind to one another
anyways, yeah, i'd say morde's lack of cc makes him one of the 'truest' juggernauts. he has issues because that rework was a bit of a mess but he's not weak atm, or at least that's not what his winrate indicates or that one time khan played him as a renekton counter heh
can we have a constructive discourse without being sardonic (lol)
be kind to one another
anyways, yeah, i'd say morde's lack of cc makes him one of the 'truest' juggernauts. he has issues because that rework was a bit of a mess but he's not weak atm, or at least that's not what his winrate indicates or that one time khan played him as a renekton counter heh
Hydrophobic
Member
Or the enemy team has picked a disengage support/jg and Nasus gets in no one's face?
Nah, I'll save my constructive discourse for where people actually play the game / have at least a basic understanding.
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BreezyLimbo
Banned
Just because hes a niche pick doesnt mean hes secretly strong. Hes ok against people who dont know how to play against him. He has no escapes, and his burst is reliant on him walking up next to a person and hoping they dont move away. Not to mention the heal is lackluster.
Morde is a bad pick. No cc, no escape, burst reliant on being next to a person who can easily run away from him...hes deffo niche in the sense that hes only pickable against scrubs and noobs.
Nasus dont care
Nasus keeps going in while damaging everyone
Shreds their armor and perma slows carries
Now Nasus is a niche beast
Anivia and Malzahar are both fun and interactive champions to play against.
Prove me wrong.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
The funny thing about Newt is that he cant directly engage my arguments. In his ego, he cannot validate someone who makes an understood critique of the game, in this case a champion. What he doesnt know is that I know the innards of Morde more than he ever will. So he deflects with "bu bu but you dont play!" its the same reason why newt rails against the riot devs who dare make balance changes when theyre only Silver. Maybe its a jealousy that a "worse in rank" player is balancing the game. Either way, this has spilled to his personality on here. He cant accept that someone who doesnt play the game can make observations about said game.
Its quite sad.
Its quite sad.
Ghost is Bad
Banned
tfw a silver level player makes a silver level analysis in order to try and sound like he knows what hes talking about
no wonder everyone moved to the discord
no wonder everyone moved to the discord
http://www.surrenderat20.net/2017/10/pbe-preview-death-sworn-viktor.html
New Viktor Skin, sick. When did Creator Viktor get dropped again?
New Viktor Skin, sick. When did Creator Viktor get dropped again?
It up to the person who made the claim to provide evidence. You made the claim that Mordekaiser is a weak pick, and the only evidence you made to support that was "he doesn't has cc". Shortly after, others pointed out that Morde is a juggernaut, so obviously it was a class attribute for him to have a lack of CC. Then you bring up Nasus and Yorick who get kited harder than Morde? And both are pretty much objectively weaker.
Also, Riot deserves to be blasted for those Janna changes. The "silver yasuo player" was a joke, but yeah I stand by what I said there. Janna isn't even a contested pick in low elo. This is not about my ego, this is about improving the game.
Also, Riot deserves to be blasted for those Janna changes. The "silver yasuo player" was a joke, but yeah I stand by what I said there. Janna isn't even a contested pick in low elo. This is not about my ego, this is about improving the game.
Before I started playing which was January 2014
Stone Ocean
Member
This is the part where I mock the fact that another champion that has recieved a grand total of 1 skin in 6 years gets another one before Illaoi
Brewster123
Neo Member
Aw... A Viktor skin? I was hoping for another Teemo skin. Being serious, It does look pretty good. I personally am hoping for another Tahm Kench skin (I don't like his current options).
I think his last skin was Lil' Devil, around this time last year.
EDIT: Patch Notes are out.
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-720-notes
Brewster123
Neo Member
The emotes seem like a cool concept; I'm curious to see how many options we eventually get. As for gameplay, more Janna debuffs as expected. I am happy to see Ornn and Kench buffed though, and I'm curious to see if they nerf coin anymore after this.
On a side note, those Annie and Gnar skins look great.
On a side note, those Annie and Gnar skins look great.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Actually I brought up more than Nasus and Yorick. I brought up multiple Juggernauts like Volibear, who doesnt get kited as easily. Likewise Trundle and Mundo have effective catch up tools as well as tools that speed them up or reduce the CC they get. You just focused on Nasus and Yorick because it suited your viewpoint.
And it is about your ego. It always has been. "Newt knows best" isnt an argument for improving the game, fortunately. The Janna balance was a misstep, but luckily that Silver ranked dev still has his job.
Hydrophobic
Member
Ornn seems like he might be kind of good with the change from %current health to %max health on his W
I think he'll be *much* better with those changes, especially against tanks. I'm a little nervous since his numbers might be too high, but we'll see.
Stone Ocean
Member
His damage with current health already felt stupid, giving him max health on top of his brittle procs it's gonna be overkill, I feel
considering new eve is tomorrow, i think you know where you should start
SenorArdilla
Member
I forgot that I owned Tango and Masquerade.
Does the new Eve seem fun?
yeah, pretty much every one of her spells got a fun twist to it
not having her invisibility and having to telegraph your ganks makes me think she'll be like a nocturne type of afk farm until 6 which is not super exciting tho
kind of a mystery but i'm no jungle main
I don't think I'm always right, but I can definitely see how you could reach that perspective. It makes sense for someone who is always wrong, and will continue to be that way, as long you don't bother to play the game and continue to infest your posts with pseudo troll armchair analysis.
I feel bad for the poor soul who tries to play voli in this meta.
Not eve because she'll be pick ban for the next two weeks =p
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Thinking does seem to be an issue, newt, we can agree on that about your style of conversation. The fact is the best you can come up with is "but you dont even play!". Yes, you dont need to play to make observations.
I feel bad for the people that pick Morde in this meta. If you take him top, there are better picks top. If you take him mid, there are mages who can do just as good damage, faster, at range, with some form of cc. If you pick him bot, then youre either replacing an adc or replacing a support, both of which are more valuable than Mordekaiser.
Mordekaiser is a bad pick.
Keep in mind these win rates are for Plat+ players in Patch 7.19 only. Taken from lolalytics.com.
Volibear win rate:
No denying it, Volibear is just a bad pick. Not tanky enough, not strong enough in lane, gets kited too hard, the works. There all manner of picks that do what Voli does, but better. Basically a stat stick of a champion.
Now that's interesting. I suppose Morde isn't a bad pick after all, considering the win rate, perhaps it's mostly mains playing him. The data seems to suggest so.
Volibear win rate:
No denying it, Volibear is just a bad pick. Not tanky enough, not strong enough in lane, gets kited too hard, the works. There all manner of picks that do what Voli does, but better. Basically a stat stick of a champion.
Now that's interesting. I suppose Morde isn't a bad pick after all, considering the win rate, perhaps it's mostly mains playing him. The data seems to suggest so.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Keep in mind these win rates are for Plat+ players in Patch 7.19 only. Taken from lolalytics.com.
Volibear win rate:
No denying it, Volibear is just a bad pick. Not tanky enough, not strong enough in lane, gets kited too hard, the works. There all manner of picks that do what Voli does, but better. Basically a stat stick of a champion.
Now that's interesting. I suppose Morde isn't a bad pick after all, considering the win rate, perhaps it's mostly mains playing him. The data seems to suggest so.
Good thing this isnt an comparison between just morde and voli then, kappa.
And if you go check Diamond stats, Voli rises up to 52% winrate.
Overall across all ranks Morde has a 49% winrate and voli has a 48% winrate. But like I mentioned, there are better picks than morde.
Heck even Yorick and Nasus have a higher winrate overall, and those two can get kited easily lol. Poor morde cant even catch up.
Stone Ocean
Member
Mordekaiser is decent enough, I dunno what you're talking about Breezy. Sure, there are better picks, but no one is trying to pass morde as some secret op pick. He's decent, its not that unusual to see him in high elo streams.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
And thats what Ive been saying. There are better picks that can simply do more than just damage, ie CC.
Stone Ocean
Member
That's not what you said
The existance of better picks is a moot point because at any given time, that's 80% of the champions in League of Legends
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Yup, morde is a bad pick imo. Ive already outlined that. So me agreeing that morde is decent at dealing damage, does not negate the fact that that is all he does and that he is overall a bad pick. Decent damage that can be matched by other mids or tops, who do have CC and other self steroids not constricted to a successful ultimate.
Morde sucks. Good damage. Thats about it.