Krizalidx11
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Evil Sony blocking companies from making money again
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Leaked Marketing Agreement for RE8 Forces Parity and Blocks the Game From GamePass
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Evil Sony blocking companies from making money again
Zekra Dezivad
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Oh no, corporations deal is actually a corporation deal
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AdjudicatorHead
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The title is misleading, they didn’t make a deal to stop it from going to Gamepass. That implies that they were intending to launch it on Gamepass and Sony swooped in with a deal to stop it.
Sony has a marketing deal with Capcom for RE Village. As part of that marketing deal, understandably, they don’t want the game going on a competitor’s subscription service as a free title for existing subscribers, as that wouldn’t be much of a “marketing deal” for PS.
Nothing unusual about this, in fact I’m sure that big Gamepass titles like Outriders have a clause where they can’t go on any other subscription service etc for a minimum period, as MS paid for that deal for publicity.
Sony has a marketing deal with Capcom for RE Village. As part of that marketing deal, understandably, they don’t want the game going on a competitor’s subscription service as a free title for existing subscribers, as that wouldn’t be much of a “marketing deal” for PS.
Nothing unusual about this, in fact I’m sure that big Gamepass titles like Outriders have a clause where they can’t go on any other subscription service etc for a minimum period, as MS paid for that deal for publicity.
Wandering Leopard
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Why is that people take tweets from random people on the internet as statements of fact?
Wake me up when there's more concrete information.
Wake me up when there's more concrete information.
SLB1904
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dcmk7
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Isn't it a leaked document?
MrSarcastic
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Yeeeees (Jack Nicholson nodding head). And people say the console war is not real. No baby, console war has never been so alive.
Captain Toad
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Way to twist the actual agreement to suit a narrative.
Men_in_Boxes
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GamePass is the destroyer of worlds.
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Deleted member 17706
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They've got a co-marketing agreement. No shit they would have a clause like that. It's not some "secret deal."
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Strider Highwind
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lol what a twist
Krizalidx11
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Sony is doing a lot to stop the GAMEPASS train, it doesn't seem to work after all
AdjudicatorHead
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Every day I become more convinced that evolution might not be working too well after all, either...
Krizalidx11
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SlimeGooGoo
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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So uh, they did this with RE Village, but not their OWN FUC'ING BASEBALL GAME FROM THEIR OWN 1P STUDIO? Major whoops if true.
Just how credible is this Twitter person, btw?
But this makes no sense; they somehow "remembered" to do this with RE Village, but forgot to do it with their own in-house MLB The Show '21?
The nature of them having such a specific clause for Capcom would seem reactionary to finding out about the MLB GamePass situation, because I can't see them locking it down for RE Village in advance but somehow failing to do it with their own game. If it's down to the fact they have to release The Show on other platforms at all, well...technically RE Village is coming to other competitor platforms too and it's not even a game they're developing, merely co-marketing on.
When you break it down logically the Twitter "leak" honestly doesn't make any sense, so my BS switch is set to ON for this one.
AdjudicatorHead
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They can’t make deals for MLB The Show, they’re the developer but MLB is the publisher on Xbox and the IP owner. MLB holds the rights to any negotiations with Xbox and while Sony will get a portion of the GP money, they likely weren’t in a position to veto the deal without having the rights to the IP revoked.
There is nothing reactionary here, this is standard legal documentation in every single exclusive marketing agreement in every company on the planet.
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Exanthus
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Do you want to go and ask them for us?
Krizalidx11
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Starfield will likely be on Gamepass day 1 which is awesome, PS triple A exclusives will go on full 70$ for base games without seasons/DLC stuff day1
I mean you have to hand it to MS, that is a sweet deal, also on PC day 1
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Entroyp
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My man!
ethomaz
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Wut?
myharlequin
Member
I much prefer Sony to compete with a similar subscription rather than blocking by contract
Skifi28
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It's still a secret, it's staying between us. A few thousands of us that is.
Abriael_GN
RSI Employee of the Year
Looks like a pretty normal temporary exclusivity/marketing deal? Fanboys sure meltdown for very little nowadays.
You can't make a deal with a publisher that doesn't want to make a deal. Capcom was ok with it, MLB was not. What part of it is hard to understand again?
You can't make a deal with a publisher that doesn't want to make a deal. Capcom was ok with it, MLB was not. What part of it is hard to understand again?
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Blocking companies?
How are they blocking companies from making money when Capcom agreed to do a deal with Sony? If Capcom believed they would make more money, then they wouldn't bother signing an exclusive deal with Sony.
It doesn't say they're blocked from releasing the game on Game Pass, neither does it say they had any intention of releasing the game day one on Game Pass.
It says Sony signed one year agreement with Capcom and they have the right to first negotiate with them if they want to bring the game to PlayStation Plus or PlayStation Now. MS likely made similar deals with other companies.
SenjutsuSage
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Sony likely has a similar agreement with Bethesda on Ghostwire and Deathloop. The reason it may not work out for them the way it will with Capcom is likely due to the fact that the contract clearly says any "third party" to "publisher" (publisher being capcom/bethesda).
Microsoft and Xbox are quite clearly no longer any kind of third party to Bethesda. They own Bethesda. Bethesda is Xbox, Bethesda is Microsoft. So while those two games can't touch Xbox consoles, and thus can't touch Game Pass on consoles for up to year after Playstation 5 release, this means nothing for Game Pass on PC since the game isn't restricted from PC release for a year, and will also hit PC simultaneously. Because Sony's clause didn't include more than just third parties.
They can't authorize any third party to include the game in any competitive subscription service that is competitive with any PS Subscription service. The fact that Game Pass and Microsoft are later mentioned in the same clause is made irrelevant by the fact that Microsoft is no longer "any third party." They are Bethesda's owner.
Microsoft and Xbox are quite clearly no longer any kind of third party to Bethesda. They own Bethesda. Bethesda is Xbox, Bethesda is Microsoft. So while those two games can't touch Xbox consoles, and thus can't touch Game Pass on consoles for up to year after Playstation 5 release, this means nothing for Game Pass on PC since the game isn't restricted from PC release for a year, and will also hit PC simultaneously. Because Sony's clause didn't include more than just third parties.
They can't authorize any third party to include the game in any competitive subscription service that is competitive with any PS Subscription service. The fact that Game Pass and Microsoft are later mentioned in the same clause is made irrelevant by the fact that Microsoft is no longer "any third party." They are Bethesda's owner.
dcmk7
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This. No one seems to get this, it's like such simple logic is too much for them to handle.
If people want to blame someone for this, they would be better off blaming Capcom for entering into this agreement, they chose to do this.
Sony didn't force them to do anything.
SenjutsuSage
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If Sony didn't want Xbox gamers having it they shoulda just bought Capcom or paid more money to keep it off Xbox. Also, we are still supporting developers when we play their game on Game Pass because a deal was made to get their game onto Game Pass. As for Microsoft first party games, they have no issue with everybody who wants to play the games playing them via game pass. It's what they want.
Ass of Can Whooping
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It's a good thing both Sony and Microsoft don't disclose their deals
I don't think you could handle the sheer amount of shit they do behind the scenes
I don't think you could handle the sheer amount of shit they do behind the scenes
Craig of War
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Is this real big if true.
VFXVeteran
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Where is the print that says the resolution has been capped?
StreetsofBeige
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Great to see real contracts leak. Everyone knows dumb deals happen, but nice to see it with your own eyes as every company will shut their mouths about it.
Good to see MLB with control of their own destiny, said FU to Sony and if they want to do a MS GP deal they can.
Good to see MLB with control of their own destiny, said FU to Sony and if they want to do a MS GP deal they can.
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captainraincoat
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In b4 someone trying to defend this shit
arrogant is back baby....shut up and take Jack’s big...
arrogant is back baby....shut up and take Jack’s big...
graywolf323
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isn't this just different random no name account tweeting out the same thing as the other thread about all of this?
reinking
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I'm not wearing my glasses but I can't seem to find that either. As for limiting Game Pass, Stadia and other streaming. I have expected that as I expect MS/Google/Amazon to limit releases on competing streaming platforms.
SoloKingRobert
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2 months later Microsoft acquires Capcom
VFXVeteran
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Damn, people are pissed at Sony on that tweet thread.
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