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Let's talk about Final Fantasy XIII
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meltpotato
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i expect FFXIII to be a total snorefest picture show. the combat, based on the HUD and the action shots does not look fun and im imagining a story of the shittastic FFVII/FFVIII caliber. also, its looks as though we will have to deal with a bunch of Hot Topic inspired character designs.
CompositeMolar
Member
The setting doesn't cut it for me. The trailer was impressive graphically but I was expecting something much more original. Plus I don't like Nomura.
DarknessTear
Banned
Funny you guys say that considering the whole SMT series is boring and generic. The only thing big about it is the music and the whole "omg we r cool becuz we put religious references in satan satan 666 rah rah".
DarknessTear said:
meltpotato
Member
Error2k4 said:
Himuro said:
you know i was thinking the other day about what the possiblity of seeing an SMT game (most likely one of the side games) on the 360 is. Barring all judgement about PS3 price and all, SMT seems to be getting more and more popular here and less there. I wold definitely be shocked to see it happen but i wouldnt be blown away. especially when you think about Xbox games like Gears being absolute gorefests, it seems like the content would be a little more successful. and with MS courting jrpg makers, a smaller seires like this that wouldnt need to be a FF sized coup would be a little more feasible much like how they have secured a Tri-Ace rpg but not an actual square IP. just something i was running through my head on the traint he other day. some not so serious dreaming.
/derail over
DarknessTear
Banned
Himuro said:
Yeah. It's SATANIC POKEMON LOLOL it did nothing to improve on the genre and it has no storyline and it's supposed to be a fucking RPG.
Error2k4 said:
What storyline? You just make a few choices, go through 50 hour long annoying/boring/teleporting you randomly dungeons and beat the last boss and get the most unrewarding endings ever. I'll agree the music is awesome though.
DarknessTear
Banned
Ruas said:
That's honestly never happened anyway. FFXII is as close to it as you get. The old games all had airships and stuff which is a futuristic element. Plus some sort of mechanical ruin type stuff. FFT was kind of that way though.
the storyline is not in the usual RPG way, you know by talking to NPC you get to know what's going on in the Vortex World also doing the bonus dungeon helps a lot to understand the story. if you say there is not storyline in SMT you didn't attention or didn't play through the game at all.DarknessTear said:
DarknessTear
Banned
Himuro said:
Uh yeah, I think it was called Digital Devil Saga. Digital Devil Saga has a decent storyline but was ruined by unfun gameplay. When they decide to make their games fun, I'll openly praise them.
DarknessTear
Banned
Error2k4 said:
There's not many lines of dialogue, no real deepness to the plot. They leave the decisions to you which is FINE but DDS is a good example of doing it right. They at least awarded you for the pain of playing the game.
Himuro said:
Two, and they're totally different games.
Himuro said:
Umm... if I liked the main game, I'd be sure to check out the spin offs.
If they're reusing assets, then even if only 10-15% of people pick up on the spin offs, it's still not a bad money maker.
The FFXIII female lead looks completely bad ass... and this time, instead of people complaining about it been a guy that looks like a girl lead, it'll be people impressed by the girl that's stronger than previous FF guys
Greenpanda
Banned
ahhh, HERE's the bashing I've been missing
DarknessTear
Banned
Himuro said:
They've already said that they won't be involved with each other. It'll most likely be in the same world, though. And as they've said before THEY'RE REALLY DIGGING THIS COMPILATION STUFF. So that's what they're going to do. They've been doing it for a while now, I don't see why you're so shocked. You've always been "omg h8 square" so I'm not shocked at your reaction myself.
brandonh83
Banned
I'll just need to see more. But for right now, I know a few things for sure:
*visuals are fucking ace, hopefully they remain at this quality
*LOVE the main character design -- she looks cool and likeable
*nice music, at least, the music in the trailer (which is obviously all we've heard)
That's about all I can make out. Before I draw preemptive conclusions about the art direction, whether it's generic sci-fi or not, well, again I'll need to see more. To me, honestly, it doesn't look any more advanced than Final Fantasy VIII did, especially Esthar. In fact FFVIII was the first thing that came to mind. So far, I admit that I do like what I do see. Striking visuals, a cool lead character design, and the typical Square-level presentation. The menu looks funky and the gameplay looks crazy, if that's even remotely close to what the final game will be like, but to me about 85% of that trailer was Final Fantasy-ish. If you put the designs, the lead character, and the enemies in a traditional battle screen ala FF 1-10, it would look like a next-gen FFVIII to me.
*visuals are fucking ace, hopefully they remain at this quality
*LOVE the main character design -- she looks cool and likeable
*nice music, at least, the music in the trailer (which is obviously all we've heard)
That's about all I can make out. Before I draw preemptive conclusions about the art direction, whether it's generic sci-fi or not, well, again I'll need to see more. To me, honestly, it doesn't look any more advanced than Final Fantasy VIII did, especially Esthar. In fact FFVIII was the first thing that came to mind. So far, I admit that I do like what I do see. Striking visuals, a cool lead character design, and the typical Square-level presentation. The menu looks funky and the gameplay looks crazy, if that's even remotely close to what the final game will be like, but to me about 85% of that trailer was Final Fantasy-ish. If you put the designs, the lead character, and the enemies in a traditional battle screen ala FF 1-10, it would look like a next-gen FFVIII to me.
Of course. But it's one thing to say that you simply have a bad feeling about it based on Square's recent track record (which clearly has been kind of meh, the FF12 delayfest has not treated the company well, and the merger really messed some things up in the transition process perhaps). But it's completely different to damn near write the game off as sucking, as you basically did on IRC. How can you make such a bold prediction based on a very basic announcement and a 1:14 trailer from a game that probably isn't even 30% complete? I'll agree that we have much to be concerned about considering Square has not been so hot lately, but I think Square realizes there has been a big gap in the FF universe for a while, and they do not want to disappoint. Wait until there's more information about the story, setting, characters, GAMEPLAY, etc. before you write it off as sucking as if you've already made up your mind for good. And if it appears to, I'll be right there with you calling bullshit, but we can only assume so much based on the extremely limited amount of information that we have. Hell, we hardly have any.Himuro said:
I will say that their recent output (the Square side of S-E that is) has been anything but impressive, but FF12 was also originally intended to come out in like 2003, so there's been a big void that can only be filled by what was supposed to be there a long time ago, and it's FINALLY on the way.
The spinoffs I am not too thrilled about. But they are not the primary focus, FF13 is first and foremost. You don't HAVE to play the spinoffs. I like FF7, I hate Advent Children. And all of the other stuff looks dumb to me. But, it doesn't change my opinion of FF7.
But yeah, I'd much rather have, for example, a new Chrono, a new FFT, and a new Parasite Eve instead of a bunch of FF13 spinoffs. But what can you do. Here's hoping that this implies that Square is going to be very aggressive in what they are releasing. Think about it. This is their first step into PS3 territory. We cannot assume this is all we'll be getting from the Square side of S-E. I'd expect more than just FF13 spinoffs.
As for what I'm expecting from the game? I'm expecting a completely futuristic setting, much like FF7, with a very detached and gloomy kind of feel, perhaps with a stronger emphasis on technology in weaponry and such. It's been a while (it'll be over 10 years when it comes out over here, most likely) since we've had a FF like that, so I think it's good that we're finally getting that again. What do you want? Another FFXII? X? IX? We just had all of that. Let's go back to the future again, it's been a while. Give it a chance, Himu. We haven't even seen enough to know what it will really be like. But I do not expect FFXIII in itself to be "boring and generic." I expect quite the opposite.
As for the gameplay, despite what you may think from the few frames of action that you saw, we have no idea what to expect out of the battle system. We only saw one character. They probably haven't even finalized plans as to what they are doing. But as I said in the channel, I believe one of the spinoffs is supposed to be "more like Kingdom Hearts" which is labeled as an "Action RPG," so you can put your fears of FFXIII being like that to rest. No doubt it will be different than the FF's we're used to, but then again, so is FFXII. As you get further and further away from the 8, 16 and 32-bit FF's you can only expect Square to keep changing things, and I can't blame them, there's nothing wrong with that. The battle system is in need of desperate change, IMO. Playing FFX on the PS2 was pretty fun, but at times things seemed so... out of balance. Here you are in this vast 3D world with actual battle gameplay that really hasn't changed that much since the 8 and 16-bit days. You can only stretch that for so long. Square knows that.
I'm sure you will start to see a lot of backlash soon, specifically, journalists calling Square out for putting so much emphasis on FF13 games instead of other great things they have done that they could bring back. I talked to someone (can't remember who) that actually blamed Enix for kind of forcing Square to do things that will rack up sales, like releasing a bunch of FF7 crap, so that it has tons of appeal and is very profitable. If so, that's a damn shame.
DarknessTear
Banned
Himuro said:
And R&D1 made a direct sequel continuation to one of their games planning to make double off of what could have been one game. It's not like your company of choice is all perfect.
BlueTsunami
there is joy in sucking dick
I don't think theres enough information as far as the scope of the game and the actual setting of the game to allow an honest answer. All I know is that I think it visually looks great.
brandonh83
Banned
I don't have a problem with sci-fi elements in a Final Fantasy game, I think it's just as cool as "castles and dragons." And besides,
The graphics engine. They will use it for everything to the games they make all the way up to prerendered CG.
brandon: Thank you. I don't want ANOTHER medieval FF. There's FFIX, and soon FFXII. FFX was kinda futuristic but mostly modern like FFVIII (but even LESS technical; save a couple parts, the whole game was pretty much in a very modern realistic setting). FFVIII was pretty futuristic but more relatable to the present, but also seemed kind of soft, bland and overdramatic at times.
If you think about it the realllllly futuristic FF's are the most rare. Well, there's only two. Three if you count XIII, but it's not out yet. So VI and VII.
FFVI, FFVII, FFXIII have this kind of setting, and that's it. Whereas I, II, III, IV, V, IX and XIII all have a medieval feel to them in one way or another.
VIII and X are kind of in a class of their own; they're futuristic yet really really modern at the same time. FFX being in a "post modern world," yes. But it still feels more modern than a medieval FF. Yet not technological enough to be overly futuristic.
FFVII is really gloomy and detached in the distant future. FFVI has its similarities.
brandon: Thank you. I don't want ANOTHER medieval FF. There's FFIX, and soon FFXII. FFX was kinda futuristic but mostly modern like FFVIII (but even LESS technical; save a couple parts, the whole game was pretty much in a very modern realistic setting). FFVIII was pretty futuristic but more relatable to the present, but also seemed kind of soft, bland and overdramatic at times.
If you think about it the realllllly futuristic FF's are the most rare. Well, there's only two. Three if you count XIII, but it's not out yet. So VI and VII.
FFVI, FFVII, FFXIII have this kind of setting, and that's it. Whereas I, II, III, IV, V, IX and XIII all have a medieval feel to them in one way or another.
VIII and X are kind of in a class of their own; they're futuristic yet really really modern at the same time. FFX being in a "post modern world," yes. But it still feels more modern than a medieval FF. Yet not technological enough to be overly futuristic.
FFVII is really gloomy and detached in the distant future. FFVI has its similarities.
CharlieDigital
Banned
More Einhander and Vagrant Story, less FF please (FFT excepting).
brandonh83
Banned
And I hope that changes for you. Like I said, I'll need to see more.
Himuro said:
Why would they make 2 different games?
Well... different story/character perspective, different gameplay genre.
Pretty good reasons, and it fleshes out the universe (which is local to each iteration of FF) better then could be done from a single game.
I mean... can you imagine fusing an action game into a FFXII RPG? The game would be lambasted for been a mess of directions, even if the individual parts worked really well.
CosmicGroinPull
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brandonh83 said:And I hope that changes for you. Like I said, I'll need to see more.
:lol
edit: Eh? I like your earlier comment.
Himuro said:
FFX is more post future society; a world after advanced technology has collapsed and become relics. Not the direct aftermath, or a dystopia, but a world where that future past (so to speak) has become a memory.
It was an intresting concept... but probably a bit difficult to convey.
brandonh83
Banned
I will say this: I'm not a fan of spinoffs or sequels. I thought Advent Children was a load of bullshit and it made me feel like everything I did in FFVII was pretty much pointless. Almost every Final Fantasy game, mainly 6-10, have made me feel sad that, during the ending in each one, that it was over. That I'd never get to spend more time with these characters or places. But that was a great thing IMO, as it made everything that much more special. Spinoffs ruin that feeling by a country mile and when I saw the multiple FF13 projects, I wasn't too enthusiastic. For me it's just a game of wait-and-see, but I do like the look of FF13.
DarknessTear
Banned
Yeah but an action game spinoff outside of FF13's story with Kingdom Hearts team awesomness and Advent Children team cutscenes?
SolidSnakex
Member
I'm really looking forward to it. FFXII and its look just bores me so i'm glad they're going back to the series looking like this.
Pedigree Chum
Banned
FXIII looks incredible graphically and that's about it for me. I'm not a big RPG fan so I'm not the type of person to comment on this kinda of stuff, but I found Mass Effect to be the most interesting looking RPG at E3. It has something that I really want out of all RPGs which is more involving gameplay during battles. Squad tactics, destructible environments affecting battles, 3rd person aiming affecting shooting, all very interesting and making what seems like a chore in most RPGs a hell of a lot more fun.
Some of my other favorite RPGs are Paper Mario, Valkyrie Profile, Vagrant Story and Grandia. All of them have one thing in common, really involving battle systems.
Some of my other favorite RPGs are Paper Mario, Valkyrie Profile, Vagrant Story and Grandia. All of them have one thing in common, really involving battle systems.
SolidSnakex
Member
Himuro said:
Why are you comparing it to the movie they made instead of the game?
Himuro said:
Why? Why do you hate choice? Do you hate the cynicsm?
It's only cynical if they're intentionally shit products to begin with (and in some cases (DoC) they are).
If the market demands it, and you meet that demand, that's not a bad thing.
Jesus christ man, get your head screwed on straight.
DarknessTear
Banned
Well it definitely keeps it from being dull. I'll take over the top action animations over simplistic stuff as long as it doesn't get too extensive and pointless. Anyway, the AC team has worked on the games as well, they know what they're doing.