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Liberal Policies are Ruining San Francisco

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Just saw this, it's fucking clown world. People openly steal with no fear of being charged with anything. Piss on the doors, needles in the hallways. Leaks in the ceiling. At one point, Carlson asks the owner why he doesn't leave and the man responds that it isn't that easy, that he has a home and other responsibilities in the city. It amazes me though that the proprietor of the store (the good guy, who pays taxes and follows the law) has to be violated by the bad guys, but isn't that kind of the Liberal M.O. these days?
 

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Very sad that you can't make an honest living there anymore due to years of pandering to the lowest common denominator for lifetime votes.

How many just look at this and call this man privileged and disregard his struggles? Meanwhile, they think the junkie bums aren't getting enough free stuff. All voted on for by illegals. Disgusting
 

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Has been for years.

Leftism ruins everything it touches.
I used to balk at the idea that GAF is just a less-anonymous offshoot of 4Chan, but you guys are making it really hard.

Then again, what did I expect? The site's very name is a Chan reference.
(Neo = New. Reverse 'GAF.' ...Surprise!)

It's like GAF and ERA are competing to see who can radicalize the fastest, but in opposite directions.
 

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It's like GAF and ERA are competing to see who can radicalize the fastest, but in opposite directions.
Since when do radical websites allow people to debate their ideas*?

I think it's fair to criticize Leftism, especially in the case of the OP's video where having more Conservative values could help.

Meanwhile, if you see a case where Conservatism has ruined a city, feel free to create a thread about it.

*I'm speaking of Neogaf by the way. Resetera bans anyone who is to the right of Stalin and has only mod approved narratives.
 
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It's like GAF and ERA are competing to see who can radicalize the fastest, but in opposite directions.
I mean Gaf can ban you for saying the word "faggot" but not "dyke" but that is as far as that goes.
I used to balk at the idea that GAF is just a less-anonymous offshoot of 4Chan, but you guys are making it really hard.

Then again, what did I expect? The site's very name is a Chan reference.
(Neo = New. Reverse 'GAF.' ...Surprise!)
Wait did you just compare Gaf to fucking 4channel?

 

DeepEnigma

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I used to balk at the idea that GAF is just a less-anonymous offshoot of 4Chan, but you guys are making it really hard.

Then again, what did I expect? The site's very name is a Chan reference.
(Neo = New. Reverse 'GAF.' ...Surprise!)

It's like GAF and ERA are competing to see who can radicalize the fastest, but in opposite directions.
Alright, which corner of the street is your shitting spot?
 
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DeepEnigma

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The guy responsible for this is now governor of CA, and there’s already a recall effort underway. Hell liberal CA colleges are helping collect signatures to get rid of him.
Nancy's district she turns her back on too. Yet they keep voting her in cause of the D next to the name.
 

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I visited San Francisco with my parents in the 90's. It was a beautiful city. I can't even begin to imagine what it's turned into now.
 
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SoulUnison

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Alright, which corner of the street in your shitting spot?
It's almost as though packing people into dense urban population and culture centers tends to result in issues with overpopulation and limited resources.
Have you noticed that nearly all large cities are "liberal?'
It's as if packing millions of humans into a relatively small space that necessitates them to live, work together and experience a myriad of new viewpoints results in a population that's literally more 'social.'

I like how you completely disregard any chance to have an actual conversation and defuse the risk of actually having to think about or learn something by going straight for the low effort meme-response, though.

What's your solution? It can't involve mental health or outreach services, because those are socialism. (Hissssss...! Boo...!)
Is your answer to just incarcerate vagrants, homeless and the mentally ill in our for-profit prison system?

You think if you just make life harder for people in the "right" way they'll suddenly become suburban wage-workers?

Yeah, that sounds totally plausible. If all of society would just ridicule, marginalize and deincentivize people harder I'm sure they'd start doing everything in their power to gain the acceptance of those that want them to be out-of-sight, out-of-mind. Nothing gets the disenfranchised, vulnerable, compromised and homeless more psyched up than less warmth, less food, less shelter and less humanity. The depressed and downtrodden respond so well to louder yelling and more aggressive finger pointing.

At a certain point, it's almost like you're waging a war on the very concepts of empathy and compassion.
 
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DeepEnigma

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It's almost as though packing people into dense urban population and culture centers tends to result in issues with overpopulation and limited resources.
Have you noticed that nearly all large cities are "liberal?' It's as if packing millions of humans into a relatively small space that necessitates them to live and work together results in a population that's literally more 'social.'

I like how you completely disregard any chance to have an actual conversation and defuse the risk of actually having to think about or learn something by going straight for the low effort meme-response, though.

What's your solution? It can't involve mental health or outreach services, because those are socialism. (Hissssss...! Boo...!)
Is your answer to just incarcerate vagrants, homeless and the mentally ill in our for-profit prison system?

You think if you just make life harder for people in the "right" way they'll suddenly become suburban wage-workers?

Yeah, that sounds totally plausible. If all of society would just ridicule, marginalize and deincentivize people harder I'm sure they'd start doing everything in their power to gain the acceptance of those that want them to be out-of-sight, out-of-mind. Nothing gets the disenfranchised, vulnerable, compromised and homeless more psyched up than less warmth, less food, less shelter and less compassion. The depressed and downtrodden respond so well to louder yelling and more aggressive finger pointing.
You are the one coming in here attacking and trying to compare a forum to another in the first contribution to this thread. So I met your projection with a smartass comment.

I don't need the mental gymnastics for the left packing in slave voters (yes, that is what it ultimately comes down to), loading up voting blocks at all costs, regardless of the regression it will cause.
 
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Taxes aren't the only things going up in these liberal strongholds. Homelessness and wage inequality are also on the rise.
 

SoulUnison

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I don't need the mental gymnastics for the left packing in slave voters (yes, that is what it ultimately comes down to), loading up voting blocks at all costs, regardless of the regression it will cause.
It's troubling that you basically just called psychology, anthropology and well-documented historical trends "mental gymnastics."

Again: What's your solution?
How do you get the people you're dedicated to complaining about to become citizens you approve of without it costing any money?

Is "slave voters" just what you call anyone who votes in their own interests?
It's the Conservative party that's most egregiously guilty of both gerrymandering and voter suppression.

At a certain point it feels like you're flirting with the idea that people who don't meet your standards shouldn't be allowed to vote, and that's just plain literally Un-American.

"All men created equal," "Your huddled masses yearning to breath free," and so on.

It's super easy to dismiss and demean, but what's an actual plan that reduces the problem and meets your criteria of not being "socialist" or costing any money?
As long as you only want to have this conversation from the angle of mocking, dehumanizing and hamstringing these people while disapproving of any and all attempts to solve the situation, you're part of what keeps them marginalized and convinced that there's no place for them in this world.
 

DeepEnigma

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It's troubling that you basically just called psychology, anthropology and well-documented historical trends "mental gymnastics."

Again: What's your solution?
How do you get the people you're dedicated to complaining about to become citizens you approve of without it costing any money?

Is "slave voters" just what you call anyone who votes in their own interests?
It's the Conservative party that's most egregiously guilty of both gerrymandering and voter suppression.

At a certain point it feels like you're flirting with the idea that people who don't meet your standards shouldn't be allowed to vote, and that's just plain literally Un-American.

"All men created equal," "Your huddled masses yearning to breath free," and so on.

It's super easy to dismiss and demean, but what's an actual plan that reduces the problem and meets your criteria of not being "socialist" or costing any money?
As long as you only want to have this conversation from the angle of mocking, dehumanizing and hamstringing these people while disapproving of any and all attempts to solve the situation, you're part of what keeps them marginalized and convinced that there's no place for them in this world.
We have been around this block in the past.

I would rather laugh my way through clown world, personally.
 
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Then again, what did I expect? The site's very name is a Chan reference.
(Neo = New. Reverse 'GAF.' ...Surprise!)
Categorically wrong.

New Gaming Age Forums.

This is easily accessible.

Your last three posts don't have any attempt at conversation in them. They insult the forum, or intentionally misrepresent what other posters have said.

Anything on topic, or lazy back handed insults?
 
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It's almost as though packing people into dense urban population and culture centers tends to result in issues with overpopulation and limited resources.
Have you noticed that nearly all large cities are "liberal?'
It's as if packing millions of humans into a relatively small space that necessitates them to live, work together and experience a myriad of new viewpoints results in a population that's literally more 'social.'

I like how you completely disregard any chance to have an actual conversation and defuse the risk of actually having to think about or learn something by going straight for the low effort meme-response, though.

What's your solution? It can't involve mental health or outreach services, because those are socialism. (Hissssss...! Boo...!)
Is your answer to just incarcerate vagrants, homeless and the mentally ill in our for-profit prison system?

You think if you just make life harder for people in the "right" way they'll suddenly become suburban wage-workers?

Yeah, that sounds totally plausible. If all of society would just ridicule, marginalize and deincentivize people harder I'm sure they'd start doing everything in their power to gain the acceptance of those that want them to be out-of-sight, out-of-mind. Nothing gets the disenfranchised, vulnerable, compromised and homeless more psyched up than less warmth, less food, less shelter and less humanity. The depressed and downtrodden respond so well to louder yelling and more aggressive finger pointing.

At a certain point, it's almost like you're waging a war on the very concepts of empathy and compassion.
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SoulUnison

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Arguing on a forum like we are some delegates is not going to solve the issues. We have been around this block in the past.

I would rather laugh my way through clown world, personally.
Then that's what you're putting out into society and society is reflecting that.
You want to mock, you don't want to help, and you're fine never changing.
Multiply those sentiments by a couple hundred million people and you get...this.

Ironically, the rationale seems to be that the hardluck and homeless just need to stop taking the easy way out and do "work," coming from people like you just now who admit that it's more fun to do the easy ridiculing and you have no intention of ever doing any "work" to fix the problem that's so big you can't stop talking about it.

Arguing on a forum probably won't fix this, but you know what definitely doesn't fix anything? Refusing to have a conversation about solutions because it's more fun to complain and you've decided that the problem is unsolvable before you've even tried, anyway.

All voted on for by illegals. Disgusting
Noncitizens have not been allowed to vote in federal elections since 1996.
Noncitizens have not been able to vote in state elections since 1926.
There are only 11 local governments in the entire nation that allow noncitizen voting, and 10 of them are in Maryland.

What you've just said is incredibly ignorant and - even more than that - dangerous, since you apparently feel a lot of anger about this and base a signifigant portion of your beliefs, politics and worldview on something that hasn't been possible for at least 2 decades, and much longer in most of the US.
 
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SoulUnison

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Categorically wrong.
New Gaming Age Forums.
Because it's impossible that something have a double meaning, right?

Your last three posts don't have any attempt at conversation in them. They insult the forum, or intentionally misrepresent what other posters have said.
I'm not sure I understand your idea of "conversation" then, because you're acting as though asking questions and attempting to have people explain their thought processes around issues is somehow unfair. I'd argue that it's the users who go out of their way to not engage with any of the topics at hand that aren't making "any attempt at conversation." Additionally, I'm worried by how you get offended at the thought that someone is "insulting the forum." It's probably not healthy to use an online discussion forum as your identity. (Or your sole source of news, for that matter.)

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Wow. What an attempt at conversation.
 
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I simply disagree that many of the recent ideas and polices implemented help anyone. I believe that the only "positive" impact is found in the ego of the elites in the area, the pats on their own backs. But thats just my opinion.

I think the far right and far left is equally dangerous. I think a lot of this far left "progressive" ideas are actually regressive.
 

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Wow. What an attempt at conversation.
Just think of me like a studio audience, providing needed laughter at just the right time.

I used to balk at the idea that GAF is just a less-anonymous offshoot of 4Chan, but you guys are making it really hard.

Then again, what did I expect? The site's very name is a Chan reference.
(Neo = New. Reverse 'GAF.' ...Surprise!)

It's like GAF and ERA are competing to see who can radicalize the fastest, but in opposite directions.
When you come into a thread with a start up like that and then follow it up with a pathetic response that includes shit like this

I like how you completely disregard any chance to have an actual conversation and defuse the risk of actually having to think about or learn something by going straight for the low effort meme-response, though.
you don't deserve real conversation. Get over yourself.
 
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SoulUnison

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you don't deserve real conversation. Get over yourself.
It must be super convenient to live in a world where anyone who asks questions and expects answers doesn't "deserve" conversation.
What are you even doing on the political section of a message board if you're completely unwilling to engage with any viewpoint you don't already agree with?

I'm pretty sure GAF comes from Gaming-Age. A website that still exists and has been around since the 90s. 4chan was started in 2003.

'Neo' is a reference to the fact when the forum went independent and EviLore EviLore basically assumed new ownership which was around 2006 I think.
Right, and that's all common knowledge.
It's a fun coincidence that years after 4chan popped up this board rebranded in such a specific way, though.
 

DeepEnigma

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Then that's what you're putting out into society and society is reflecting that.
You want to mock, you don't want to help, and you're fine never changing.
Multiply those sentiments by a couple hundred million people and you get...this.

Ironically, the rationale seems to be that the hardluck and homeless just need to stop taking the easy way out and do "work," coming from people like you just now who admit that it's more fun to do the easy ridiculing and you have no intention of ever doing any "work" to fix the problem that's so big you can't stop talking about it.

Arguing on a forum probably won't fix this, but you know what definitely doesn't fix anything? Refusing to have a conversation about solutions because it's more fun to complain and you've decided that the problem is unsolvable before you've even tried, anyway.



Noncitizens have not been allowed to vote in federal elections since 1996.
Noncitizens have not been able to vote in state elections since 1926.
There are only 11 local governments in the entire nation that allow noncitizen voting, and 10 of them are in Maryland.

What you've just said is incredibly ignorant and - even more than that - dangerous, since you apparently feel a lot of anger about this and base a signifigant portion of your beliefs, politics and worldview on something that hasn't been possible for at least 2 decades, and much longer in most of the US.
You come back from time to time, open with attacks in your very first post, then cower back behind a wall of text as if "you were the one" trying to have an intelligent conversation. This is what one would call, intellectually dishonest.

Pulling this 'bait and switch' is your MO. You try and set the toll, troll, get trolled back, then unload your pseudo intellectual journal.

Here, I have a plan for you to help clean up the streets. Head to San Fran (if you are not already there) and eat shit.
 
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Musky_Cheese

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SoulUnison SoulUnison if you really believe this, why are you here?

Honest question. If I believed it, or even thought it was a possibility... I wouldn't be here.
 
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I used to balk at the idea that GAF is just a less-anonymous offshoot of 4Chan, but you guys are making it really hard.

Then again, what did I expect? The site's very name is a Chan reference.
(Neo = New. Reverse 'GAF.' ...Surprise!)

It's like GAF and ERA are competing to see who can radicalize the fastest, but in opposite directions.
Who are you talking about? The only person who'd cry about criticizing leftist scum... would be leftist scum.

If I belong on 4Chan despite being a libertarian, then you belong on Era. What a whiny child.

Larger cities attract liberals because they cater to the lowest common denominator and aim to abolish the top tiers despite the fact that they're responsible for 90% of your government funding, what would you call it if it were the other way around? Discrimination. Wealth tax, promises of free things you have to pay for... your entire ideologue is backwards.
 
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SoulUnison

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You come back from time to time, open with attacks in your very first post, then cower back behind a wall of text as if you were the one trying to have an intelligent conversation. This is what one would call, intellectually dishonest.

Pulling this 'bait and switch' is your MO.

Here, I have a plan for you to help clean up the streets. Head to San Fran (if you are not already there) and eat shit.
"Cower" behind a wall of text? That's... I know you can't see or hear this, but I'm laughing uproariously at that statement.
Yeah, on a political message board I'm the one "cowering" by asking questions to try to clarify and understand individual politics.
If that's "cowering," what do you call the posters who - like yourself - go out of the way to never have an actual discussion of policy and instead just complain about someone asking questions you can't or won't answer?

Ooh! Is this "tone policing?"

You're the one projecting. If you had a response to these questions you were confident in you'd just say it. You wouldn't have to whine about being "attacked," bail out of the topic with feigned outrage, or pretend that the one who keeps participating even through actual insults and attacks is the cowardly one.
 

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I used to balk at the idea that GAF is just a less-anonymous offshoot of 4Chan, but you guys are making it really hard.

Then again, what did I expect? The site's very name is a Chan reference.
(Neo = New. Reverse 'GAF.' ...Surprise!)

It's like GAF and ERA are competing to see who can radicalize the fastest, but in opposite directions.
Maybe fuck off then?
 
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DeepEnigma

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"Cower" behind a wall of text? That's... I know you can't see or hear this, but I'm laughing uproariously at that statement.
Yeah, on a political message board I'm the one "cowering" by asking questions to try to clarify and understand individual politics.
If that's "cowering," what do you call the posters who - like yourself - go out of the way to never have an actual discussion of policy and instead just complain about someone asking questions you can't or won't answer?

Ooh! Is this "tone policing?"

You're the one projecting. If you had a response to these questions you were confident in you'd just say it. You wouldn't have to whine about being "attacked," bail out of the topic with feigned outrage, or pretend that the one who keeps participating even through actual insults and attacks is the cowardly one.
 

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SoulUnison SoulUnison if you really believe this, why are you here?
Because part of being part of an educated electorate is trying to understand the viewpoints of others.
When someone refuses to explain their beliefs or how they arrived at them, though, it's basically an admittance that those beliefs don't hold up.
At the very least it signals that, as passionate as an individual might seem about what they're saying, they don't find it worth defending or fighting for.

Who are you talking about? The only person who'd cry about criticizing leftist scum... would be leftist scum.

If I belong on 4Chan despite being a libertarian, then you belong on Era. What a whiny child.
Oooh, this is like a "Greatest Hits" compilation of avoidance-dismissal.
We've got "shaped like itself" indoctrination leaning into "wrongthink," political dehumanization, and the tacit assertion that GAF is in fact a reactive mirror of ERA.

You think "whiny" just means "disagrees with you and doesn't submit," don't you?

I'm sure this is a "hot take" or a "sick burn" or whatever in your mind, but it's just cementing the idea that you aren't able to tolerate ideas that disagree with you and aren't able to articulate for yourself.
 
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DeepEnigma

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I'm sure this is a "hot take" or a "sick burn" or whatever in your mind, but it's just cementing the idea that you aren't able to tolerate ideas that disagree with you and aren't able to articulate for yourself.
Nah, I just know your game.

Poor doggy in that gif, there is so much human shit on the streets in San Fran, they have to resort to using the walls.
 
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Pretty sure we're on the "Politics" board.
You know what I said. Screechers who show up to argue are a dime a dozen on the internet and you've been carving out that reputation for yourself over the past year.

Unwind a bit. It makes it easier for people to take your opinion seriously and discuss in good faith. Otherwise, you look like an attention-seeking narcissist.
 

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It's almost as though packing people into dense urban population and culture centers tends to result in issues with overpopulation and limited resources.
Have you noticed that nearly all large cities are "liberal?'
It's as if packing millions of humans into a relatively small space that necessitates them to live, work together and experience a myriad of new viewpoints results in a population that's literally more 'social.'

I like how you completely disregard any chance to have an actual conversation and defuse the risk of actually having to think about or learn something by going straight for the low effort meme-response, though.

What's your solution? It can't involve mental health or outreach services, because those are socialism. (Hissssss...! Boo...!)
Is your answer to just incarcerate vagrants, homeless and the mentally ill in our for-profit prison system?

You think if you just make life harder for people in the "right" way they'll suddenly become suburban wage-workers?

Yeah, that sounds totally plausible. If all of society would just ridicule, marginalize and deincentivize people harder I'm sure they'd start doing everything in their power to gain the acceptance of those that want them to be out-of-sight, out-of-mind. Nothing gets the disenfranchised, vulnerable, compromised and homeless more psyched up than less warmth, less food, less shelter and less humanity. The depressed and downtrodden respond so well to louder yelling and more aggressive finger pointing.

At a certain point, it's almost like you're waging a war on the very concepts of empathy and compassion.
I get what you're saying and depending on the policy, I am often supportive of liberal policies (like marijuana decriminalization, for example), but the reality is that a lot of these homeless folks who are on meth or heroin do not want help and will actively refuse it. Even when given countless chances, they will choose to stick with their current lifestyle until the inevitable end comes.

I feel with you in regards to empathy and compassion. I really do, but I've had too much experience with the drugged up homeless situation here in Seattle, and even how it can completely transform close family members into complete fiends who live for nothing but another hit and will do anything to anyone to get it, to have hope that changing laws to be more lenient towards these people will improve the situation for anyone.

Shit like decriminalizing petty theft is only enabling their lifestyle and putting the cost on local shop owners. When you embolden people to steal in broad daylight and let them know they will face no consequences, you just get situations like this, which end up hurting even more law-abiding poor folks, who actually have homes in the area and can't just move on to the next tent camp in another part of town. https://komonews.com/news/local/crime-prompts-sodos-only-grocery-store-to-close

In my honest opinion, imprisonment is a far better path for these people than what we're seeing them turn to today, which is basically one of moving between disheveled tent cities, in which violence, theft, rape are commonplace and the sanitary situation is a complete disaster. Piling on policies that create and encourage this kind of lifestyle are not empathetic or compassionate. They are hateful.
 
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It's almost as though packing people into dense urban population and culture centers tends to result in issues with overpopulation and limited resources.
Have you noticed that nearly all large cities are "liberal?'
It's as if packing millions of humans into a relatively small space that necessitates them to live, work together and experience a myriad of new viewpoints results in a population that's literally more 'social.'

I like how you completely disregard any chance to have an actual conversation and defuse the risk of actually having to think about or learn something by going straight for the low effort meme-response, though.

What's your solution? It can't involve mental health or outreach services, because those are socialism. (Hissssss...! Boo...!)
Is your answer to just incarcerate vagrants, homeless and the mentally ill in our for-profit prison system?

You think if you just make life harder for people in the "right" way they'll suddenly become suburban wage-workers?

Yeah, that sounds totally plausible. If all of society would just ridicule, marginalize and deincentivize people harder I'm sure they'd start doing everything in their power to gain the acceptance of those that want them to be out-of-sight, out-of-mind. Nothing gets the disenfranchised, vulnerable, compromised and homeless more psyched up than less warmth, less food, less shelter and less humanity. The depressed and downtrodden respond so well to louder yelling and more aggressive finger pointing.

At a certain point, it's almost like you're waging a war on the very concepts of empathy and compassion.
This artical (written by a progressive BTW) explains how I see it. Especially the parts where it describes how a red state like Arizona spends less and has better results because it hasn't had the self defeating policies California has enacted, usually as an unintended consequence of a liberal policy addressing an unrelated issue.... especially drug and crime policies.

 

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Because part of being part of an educated electorate is trying to understand the viewpoints of others.
When someone refuses to explain their beliefs or how they arrived at them, though, it's basically an admittance that those beliefs don't hold up.
At the very least it signals that, as passionate as an individual might seem about what they're saying, they don't find it worth defending or fighting for.
Since you've asked others; what are your proposed solutions to fixing San Francisco? Would this solution be applied to only San Francisco, or would it be applied to all 'leftist' (just categorizing) cities that suffer similar problems?

What caused these problems in the first place? Where do they go from here?
 

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You know what I said. Screechers who show up to argue are a dime a dozen on the internet and you've been carving out that reputation for yourself over the past year.

Unwind a bit. It makes it easier for people to take your opinion seriously and discuss in good faith. Otherwise, you look like an attention-seeking narcissist.
It's not my fault if the only voice people know how to read opinions they disagree with in is hysterical shrieking.

It's a pretty simple question: "What would you try to help fix the problem that you're constantly complaining about?"
Nobody is willing to even attempt to answer, instead acting outraged that they're being questioned at all.

What exactly do you people envision as the point of a political discussion forum if it's not - to some degree - for people to "show up and argue?"
That's what political discourse is.

It's baffling. I'm the coward for taking it on the chin and persisting in waiting for an answer to what I thought was the discussion topic.
I'm the one that's too offensive and combative to "deserve" conversation while just in the source of this thread I've been laughed at, told to eat shit, called "scum," etc.

That's why I say this place is just the mirror of ERA.
ERA stamps out "disagreeable speech" with moderation action that prevents you from returning. GAF crowdsources, dogpiling until the "other" doesn't want to.
 

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Check out that Joe Rogan thread I made where he does his second interview with Ed Calderon. Ed is working on his US citizenship and points out that there is the US and then the California way of doing things.

Democrats own blue states and the failures of blue states. To argue otherwise, in particular with San Francisco, is intellectual dishonesty.
 

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It's not my fault if the only voice people know how to read opinions they disagree with in is hysterical shrieking.

It's a pretty simple question: "What would you try to help fix the problem that you're constantly complaining about?"
Nobody is willing to even attempt to answer, instead acting outraged that they're being questioned at all.

What exactly do you people envision as the point of a political discussion forum if it's not - to some degree - for people to "show up and argue?"
That's what political discourse is.

It's baffling. I'm the coward for taking it on the chin and persisting in waiting for an answer to what I thought was the discussion topic.
I'm the one that's too offensive and combative to "deserve" conversation while just in the source of this thread I've been laughed at, told to eat shit, called "scum," etc.

That's why I say this place is just the mirror of ERA.
ERA stamps out "disagreeable speech" with moderation action that prevents you from returning. GAF crowdsources, dogpiling until the "other" doesn't want to.
I used to balk at the idea that SoulUnison SoulUnison is just a less-anonymous offshoot of a retardera poster, but you are making it really hard.
 

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No "shit" Sherlock! He he.

I lived in SF for a long while. Saw it degrade into any other liberal city. Rampant homeless, garbage, feces, break-ins, etc, it's a bad place to live. You got all these shitty "activists" literally cock blocking development for affordable housing because of some minor shit like paint color or even shade on a park, which is already shaded 100% of the time from other buildings.

What does SF do to try to solve stuff? London Breed says we should add more garbage pickup workers! The hypocrisy in that is she never once cared for cleaning up the streets when she was a board member for the past 5 to 6 years! She just "decides" to do that when pushing to be a mayor. It doesn't help that they've neutered the police department and even deciding to alter the criminal justice code. Now the new City Attorney won't even charge for broken windows on houses and whatnot. You know they tried that method in NY and it was a shit show for almost a decade.

I hate SF on how they tax the living shit out of everyone. No wonder why people are moving out.
 
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I get what you're saying and depending on the policy, I am often supportive of liberal policies (like marijuana decriminalization, for example), but the reality is that a lot of these homeless folks who are on meth or heroin do not want help and will actively refuse it. Even when given countless chances, they will choose to stick with their current lifestyle until the inevitable end comes.

I feel with you in regards to empathy and compassion. I really do, but I've had too much experience with the drugged up homeless situation here in Seattle, and even how it can completely transform close family members into complete fiends who live for nothing but another hit and will do anything to anyone to get it, to have hope that changing laws to be more lenient towards these people will improve the situation for anyone.

Shit like decriminalizing petty theft is only enabling their lifestyle and putting the cost on local shop owners. When you embolden people to steal in broad daylight and let them know they will face no consequences, you just get situations like this, which end up hurting even more law-abiding poor folks, who actually have homes in the area and can't just move on to the next tent camp in another part of town. https://komonews.com/news/local/crime-prompts-sodos-only-grocery-store-to-close

In my honest opinion, imprisonment is a far better path for these people than what we're seeing them turn to today, which is basically one of moving between disheveled tent cities, in which violence, theft, rape are commonplace and the sanitary situation is a complete disaster. Piling on policies that create and encourage this kind of lifestyle are not empathetic or compassionate. They are hateful.
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This artical (written by a progressive BTW) explains how I see it. Especially the parts where it describes how a red state like Arizona spends less and has better results because it hasn't had the self defeating policies California has enacted, usually as an unintended consequence of a liberal policy addressing an unrelated issue.... especially drug and crime policies.

Oh wow, actual responses that illuminate how people arrived at the beliefs they hold. Wish that was the norm and not something that has to be held out for.

In my honest opinion, imprisonment is a far better path for these people than what we're seeing them turn to today, which is basically one of moving between disheveled tent cities...
At a certain point this starts to sound uncomfortably like internment camps for the poor, and "Debtor's Prisons" are legally unconstitutional.
Additionally, I can't feel like it's a good idea to pump a massive influx of inmates into our for-profit prison-industrial system, where the result is rarely rehabilitation and generally actually incentivizes repeat offenders that have become institutionalized.

The only real solution is likely significantly beefing up social programs and mental health services, but people hate the idea that someone that isn't them is getting help.

I used to balk at the idea that SoulUnison SoulUnison is just a less-anonymous offshoot of a retardera poster, but you are making it really hard.
Haha, when you have to resort to playground-level nicknames to try to take a swipe at someone you become far too adorable and pitiable to be offensive or affecting.
 
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It's not my fault if the only voice people know how to read opinions they disagree with in is hysterical shrieking.
Your first contribution to the thread was taking a single quote from a single user and extrapolated it into some fan-fiction about GAF becoming extremist. The bizarre alternative history about GAF's name referencing a 4chan meme only makes you look more uninformed.

It's a pretty simple question: "What would you try to help fix the problem that you're constantly complaining about?"
Nobody is willing to even attempt to answer, instead acting outraged that they're being questioned at all.

What exactly do you people envision as the point of a political discussion forum if it's not - to some degree - for people to "show up and argue?"
That's what political discourse is.

It's baffling. I'm the coward for taking it on the chin and persisting in waiting for an answer to what I thought was the discussion topic.
I'm the one that's too offensive and combative to "deserve" conversation while just in the source of this thread I've been laughed at, told to eat shit, called "scum," etc.

That's why I say this place is just the mirror of ERA.
ERA stamps out "disagreeable speech" with moderation action that prevents you from returning. GAF crowdsources, dogpiling until the "other" doesn't want to.
Wow you appear to have forgotten your own contributions to the thread in your desperation to make yourself out to be the victim. Are you logged into the correct alt? You seem thin-skinned, and that's putting it lightly.
 
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Haha, when you have to resort to playground-level nicknames to try to take a swipe at someone you become far too adorable and pitiable to be offensive or affecting.
Good, then we're on the same page about your keyboard diarrhea throughout in this entire thread.


EDIT: HAHA, I need to abandon ship it seems. :messenger_tears_of_joy: 😭
 
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