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Liberal Policies are Ruining San Francisco

SoulUnison

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You seem thin-skinned, and that's putting it lightly.
This is snort-worthy considering that I've persisted through actual personal attacks and charged language while several people haven't managed to get past the idea that people can question their beliefs and might not base their entire identity around their favorite website. If i'm thin-skinned, some of you are sloshing around on the floor as an uncontained puddle of viscera.

By the way, Off Duty Ninja, "viscera" means bodily matter and organs. It's a word above your reading level, so I wouldn't want you to mistake it for "diarrhea."
Sorry if that seems condescending. ("Condescending" means "to talk down to.")
 
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This is snort-worthy considering that I've persisted through actual personal attacks and charged language while several people haven't managed to get past the idea that people can question their beliefs and might not base their entire identity around their favorite website. If i'm thin-skinned, some of you are sloshing around on the floor as an uncontained puddle of viscera.
Don't do drugs, kids.
 

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It's almost as though packing people into dense urban population and culture centers tends to result in issues with overpopulation and limited resources.
Have you noticed that nearly all large cities are "liberal?'
It's as if packing millions of humans into a relatively small space that necessitates them to live, work together and experience a myriad of new viewpoints results in a population that's literally more 'social.'

I like how you completely disregard any chance to have an actual conversation and defuse the risk of actually having to think about or learn something by going straight for the low effort meme-response, though.

What's your solution? It can't involve mental health or outreach services, because those are socialism. (Hissssss...! Boo...!)
Is your answer to just incarcerate vagrants, homeless and the mentally ill in our for-profit prison system?

You think if you just make life harder for people in the "right" way they'll suddenly become suburban wage-workers?

Yeah, that sounds totally plausible. If all of society would just ridicule, marginalize and deincentivize people harder I'm sure they'd start doing everything in their power to gain the acceptance of those that want them to be out-of-sight, out-of-mind. Nothing gets the disenfranchised, vulnerable, compromised and homeless more psyched up than less warmth, less food, less shelter and less humanity. The depressed and downtrodden respond so well to louder yelling and more aggressive finger pointing.

At a certain point, it's almost like you're waging a war on the very concepts of empathy and compassion.
Guys, I think their inhalation of street-shit is starting to turn their brains into shit.
 

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This is snort-worthy considering that I've persisted through actual personal attacks and charged language while several people haven't managed to get past the idea that people can question their beliefs and might not base their entire identity around their favorite website. If i'm thin-skinned, some of you are sloshing around on the floor as an uncontained puddle of viscera.
Like a true narcissist, you are unable to explain yourself and must make accusations about your mirrors... I mean other human beings.

Dime a dozen. Please continue entertaining us with your crying, it's funny.
 

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This is snort-worthy considering that I've persisted through actual personal attacks and charged language while several people haven't managed to get past the idea that people can question their beliefs and might not base their entire identity around their favorite website. If i'm thin-skinned, some of you are sloshing around on the floor as an uncontained puddle of viscera.

By the way, Off Duty Ninja, "viscera" means bodily matter and organs. It's a word above your reading level, so I wouldn't want you to mistake it for "diarrhea."
Sorry if that seems condescending. ("Condescending" means "to talk down to.")
Asking for the 2nd time: What's your proposed solution? You've done a lot of attacking others in the thread; not reading what you've offered up as a proposal.
 

SoulUnison

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Like a true narcissist, you are unable to explain yourself and must make accusations about your mirrors... I mean other human beings.

Dime a dozen. Please continue entertaining us with your crying, it's funny.
What possible explanation could there be that I haven't already offered multiple times?
I am here because I wanted to hear more about people's thoughts on this issue and their proposed solutions, which there appear to be very few and most people seem offended to even be asked. If that's not a good enough explanation for why a person would stick around in a political discussion topic, then you're just never going to be satisfied.

You're unable to read text that disagrees with you in any voice besides one that's throwing a temper tantrum.
I'm having a low-key boring Friday morning cleaning up my home office, having an english muffin and being entertained by a barcode scanner I bought.
If you're picturing me tearfully crouching in a corner, unable to face life because people online said a mean word, then you're just desperate for that to be the case so you can feel that you've "won" this interaction somehow. You'd love to be capable of having that much impact on another's life, which - actually - doesn't that make you the narcissist?

The fact that you think that’s some kind of horrible tribulation is kinda proving his point.
You're projecting that.
I'm merely saying that comparing me vaguely offending a website doesn't compare to directly calling a person "scum" or telling them to "eat shit," and acting as though that's somehow more offensive than targeted statements meant to offend is skin so thin as to be translucent.
 
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What possible explanation could there be that I haven't already offered multiple times?
I am here because I wanted to hear more about people's thoughts on this issue and their proposed solutions,
No you aren't, your first replies were shallow meta-commentary about GAF based on what one person said.

This statement is a lie, a cowardly one and an easily-disproven one. We can all simply click the first page and see your posts. Backpedal harder.

which there appear to be very few and most people seem offended to even be asked. If that's not a good enough explanation for why a person would stick around in a political discussion topic, then you're just never going to be satisfied.

You're unable to read text that disagrees with you in any voice besides one that's throwing a temper tantrum.
I'm having a low-key boring Friday morning cleaning up my home office, having an english muffin and being entertained by a barcode scanner I bought.
If you're picturing me tearfully crouching in a corner, unable to face life because people online said a mean word, then you're just desperate for that to be the case so you can feel that you've "won" this interaction somehow. You'd love to be capable of having that much impact on another's life, which - actually - doesn't that make you the narcissist?
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By the way, Off Duty Ninja, "viscera" means bodily matter and organs. It's a word above your reading level, so I wouldn't want you to mistake it for "diarrhea."
Sorry if that seems condescending. ("Condescending" means "to talk down to.")
You're an absolute mad man. I can't compete with this level of tardery. (Tardery means you're a pathetic idiot)
 

SoulUnison

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You're an absolute mad man. I can't compete with this level of tardery. (Tardery means you're a pathetic idiot)
Oh, I'm sure I'm plenty of things, but I'd keep "pathetic idiot" holstered if the best you can come up with is sleights that most people already rolled their eyes at in grade school.
Seriously, though. I don't think I've heard anyone honestly try to use "tard" offensively since before high school. It's the sort of insult that's hard to be offended by because it reveals so much worse about the person using it than it could ever do to the person targeted by it. It's actually "pathetic," in that it makes me pity you.
 
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No one here minds if you have a different opinion. Most people will engage in conversation too if you are polite. You may get a few jokes along the way too. It's the internet.

If you open with a bunch of insults don't expect much back. You don't open a conversation with "hey, you're an asshole!" in real life and then follow up with "why won't anyone have a real conversation with me?!" afterwards.
 

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Oh, I'm sure I'm plenty of things, but I'd keep "pathetic idiot" holstered if the best you can come up with is sleights that most people already rolled their eyes at in grade school.
Or what? What are you gonna do about it? What are you gonna do about anything? Wait a few weeks and then pop your head out of your cave to troll some more? You're a pathetic idiot.

Since you decided to edit your post to talk shit after the fact.

Seriously, though. I don't think I've heard anyone honestly try to use "tard" offensively since before high school. It's the sort of insult that's hard to be offended by because it reveals so much worse about the person using it than it could ever do to the person targeted by it. It's actually "pathetic," in that it makes me pity you.
Stop being so fucking retarded.
 
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SoulUnison

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Or what? What are you gonna do about it? What are you gonna do about anything? Wait a few weeks and then pop your head out of your cave to troll some more? You're a pathetic idiot.
It explains much of your worldview that you consider conversation that doesn't pander to you "trolling."

What am I going to do about it? Eventually I'll get bored and I'll go back to organizing my office, or germinating the flowers I want to transplant into my landscaping, or setting up the ceiling projector I've been putting off, or watching the robot vacuum cleaner run headfirst into every wall and chair leg, like a toddler with short term memory issues. You think you have far more affect on my day than you do. A few hours from now the only reason to remember you will be to chortle at how desperately you're trying and failing to put me down and how it just proves how much I'm the one actually getting under your skin.

I guess if you're going to be a "troll," it's at least nice to have a luxury cave.
 
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It's almost as though packing people into dense urban population and culture centers tends to result in issues with overpopulation and limited resources.
Have you noticed that nearly all large cities are "liberal?'
It's as if packing millions of humans into a relatively small space that necessitates them to live, work together and experience a myriad of new viewpoints results in a population that's literally more 'social.'

I like how you completely disregard any chance to have an actual conversation and defuse the risk of actually having to think about or learn something by going straight for the low effort meme-response, though.

What's your solution? It can't involve mental health or outreach services, because those are socialism. (Hissssss...! Boo...!)
Is your answer to just incarcerate vagrants, homeless and the mentally ill in our for-profit prison system?

You think if you just make life harder for people in the "right" way they'll suddenly become suburban wage-workers?

Yeah, that sounds totally plausible. If all of society would just ridicule, marginalize and deincentivize people harder I'm sure they'd start doing everything in their power to gain the acceptance of those that want them to be out-of-sight, out-of-mind. Nothing gets the disenfranchised, vulnerable, compromised and homeless more psyched up than less warmth, less food, less shelter and less humanity. The depressed and downtrodden respond so well to louder yelling and more aggressive finger pointing.

At a certain point, it's almost like you're waging a war on the very concepts of empathy and compassion.
Despite the fact that you came in here like a raging jerk, I'll answer. I've lived in big cities almost all my life.

1] Giuliani and broken windows theory cleaned up NYC in front of my eyes. Even Guiliani discussed this doesn't need to be rigidly enforced, but in general it helps to clean up areas quickly.

It is literally the opposite of decriminalizing shoplifting up to $1000 like some cities are, so pretending cities must go in a more liberal direction is false.

2] encouraging businesses to move in creates jobs and betters the economy. Tax breaks can actually save a neighborhood. Again, we saw Guiliani convert Time Square from porn and drugs to Disney stores. From the far left, we see AOC stopping Amazon because of her bad math. Other areas [like Hell's kitchen, the meat packing district, and Alphabet City also improved tremendously as a result of these policies even though they were not as directly targeted as Times Square.

Now, lets look at some of the leftist policies of the 2010s:

2] deleting gang databases because they disproportionately contain black people, which is then deemed 'racist'. This has happened in Chicago and other cities. This will make crime worse, not better. People and businesses do not move into crime ridden, gang infested areas.

3] homeless tent cities, poop, drugs. Across the country, we see leftist communities telling police 'hands off'. Even crimes that you might be arrested for, like shooting up in public, are ignored in homeless encampments because politicians fear being told they are targeting homeless. Rape and violence is prevalent. These stories are causing nobody to want to move to these cities, and we are seeing an exodus of those who do have money leaving.

4] bloomberg and his absurd authoritarian policies, like soda tax, hurt the poor more than they hurt the wealthy. This also includes raising taxes in an area, since those with the ability just drive to the home deport or best buy in the next town over.

5] should i even mention the millions nyc recently spent to send homeless as far as hawaii? Nyc taxpayers paid for a year rent for these homeless, and in some cases stipends and even furniture. At least one homeless person is now suing nyc because the apartment they got wasn't up to their standards.

6] many leftists and liberals are nimby all day, every day. They don't care if they don't see it.

7] regarding social services... you act as if conservatives are against this. They aren't. Heck, churches are effectively the first soup kitchen and safe refuge during storms. Charities to deal with the homeless, and families in trouble, were local, and people donated to the successful ones. As taxes grew and state took over these services, many people stopped giving locally. This idea that the left is the only side that cares is absolute trash, incongruent with history and actual donation to charity statistics [hint, leftists tend to not give extra]

8] allowing groups like antifa to harras normal people in places like Berkely and Portland is not healthy. Normal people do not want masked people walking the street in large roving groups without permits, attacking others with police on standdown.

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You are correct that when more people gather in cities, you have more people rubbing shoulders. But you are wrong this makes them necessarily more social. People are far more standoffish and aggressive in, say, NYC then they are some small town in Montana. What more people does do, however, is lessen social bonds, and crime often rises. As a result, you need an effective police force. When you tie their hands behind their back, call them racist, and then say they need to risk their lives while ignoring actual crime... you will not get an effective force.


You act as if the left have a lock on empathy and compassion. Bull fucking shit. They have a lock on good intentions that build roads to hell, when they're not being so nimby they don't even care. Conservatives are compassionate too, they just have different solutions. Ones rooted in responsibility- for self, for family, for neighborhood, for community, for country. The left refuse to hear this, and just hear conservatives disagreeing with their latest stupid leftist plan to give free tents to homeless people, and so call conservatives heartless.

So there. Here's a solid response to your post, despite you coming in here like a complete asshole then wondering why nobody wants to talk to you.

Edit: i replaced some 'liberal' to 'leftist' to be slightly more precise.
 
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At a certain point this starts to sound uncomfortably like internment camps for the poor, and "Debtor's Prisons" are legally unconstitutional.
Additionally, I can't feel like it's a good idea to pump a massive influx of inmates into our for-profit prison-industrial system, where the result is rarely rehabilitation and generally actually incentivizes repeat offenders that have become institutionalized.

The only real solution is likely significantly beefing up social programs and mental health services, but people hate the idea that someone that isn't them is getting help.
People do not hate the idea that someone that isn't them is getting help. What do you mean by "beefing up social programs and mental health services?" As long as going into rehabilitation is voluntary, almost no one who needs help will take advantage of such programs, because more often than not they do not want help.

There's no doubt we need a lot of reform with our prisons, but that doesn't mean incarceration should be taken off the table. One possible solution that I think deserves more trials is what Rhode Island and some other places are doing by offering drug rehabilitation to the incarcerated with addictions.


Also, these people wouldn't be in "debtor's prisons," they would be in prison for larceny, possession of narcotics, assault, etc. I'm not suggesting you mass round up the homeless in their camps and ship them off to prison, just that those who commit crimes against their fellow citizens deserve to be locked up and not immediately released back into society.
 
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It explains much of your worldview that you consider conversation that doesn't pander to you "trolling."

What am I going to do about it? Eventually I'll get bored and I'll go back to organizing my office, or germinating the flowers I want to transplant into my landscaping, or setting up the ceiling projector I've been putting off, or watching the robot vacuum cleaner run headfirst into every wall and chair leg, like a toddler with short term memory issues. You think you have far more affect on my day than you do. A few hours from now the only reason to remember you will be to chortle at how desperately you're trying and failing to put me down and how it just proves how much I'm the one actually getting under your skin.

I guess if you're going to be a "troll," it's at least nice to have a luxury cave.
OK Coomer
 

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It explains much of your worldview that you consider conversation that doesn't pander to you "trolling."

What am I going to do about it? Eventually I'll get bored and I'll go back to organizing my office, or germinating the flowers I want to transplant into my landscaping, or setting up the ceiling projector I've been putting off, or watching the robot vacuum cleaner run headfirst into every wall and chair leg, like a toddler with short term memory issues. You think you have far more affect on my day than you do. A few hours from now the only reason to remember you will be to chortle at how desperately you're trying and failing to put me down and how it just proves how much I'm the one actually getting under your skin.

I guess if you're going to be a "troll," it's at least nice to have a luxury cave.
Let me get you a spoon, so you can eat a homeless drug addicts asshole.
 

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7] regarding social services... you act as if conservatives are against this. They aren't. Heck, churches are effectively the first soup kitchen and safe refuge during storms. Charities to deal with the homeless, and families in trouble, were local, and people donated to the successful ones. As taxes grew and state took over these services, many people stopped giving locally. This idea that the left is the only side that cares is absolute trash, incongruent with history and actual donation to charity statistics [hint, liberals tend to not give extra]

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You act as if the left have a lock on empathy and compassion. Bull fucking shit. They have a lock on good intentions that build roads to hell, when they're not being so nimby they don't even care. Conservatives are compassionate too, they just have different solutions. Ones rooted in responsibility- for self, for family, for neighborhood, for community, for country. The left refuse to hear this, and just hear conservatives disagreeing with their latest stupid liberal plan to give free tents to homeless people, and so call conservatives heartless.
Honestly there's a lot of truth here. It's kind of sickening to see the same rich tech liberals in San Francisco who are probably voting for these crazy policies completely ignore and look down on the homeless that populate their city. Basically, many of them simply want to virtue vote and maybe pay a bit more in taxes to absolve themselves of not actually giving a shit about the homeless problem and their active role in exacerbating it.
 

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It explains much of your worldview that you consider conversation that doesn't pander to you "trolling."

What am I going to do about it? Eventually I'll get bored and I'll go back to organizing my office, or germinating the flowers I want to transplant into my landscaping, or setting up the ceiling projector I've been putting off, or watching the robot vacuum cleaner run headfirst into every wall and chair leg, like a toddler with short term memory issues. You think you have far more affect on my day than you do. A few hours from now the only reason to remember you will be to chortle at how desperately you're trying and failing to put me down and how it just proves how much I'm the one actually getting under your skin.

I guess if you're going to be a "troll," it's at least nice to have a luxury cave.
I see you live in Portland like me. You want to meet up and hash this out in person? I'd love to come over and germinate your garden with some viscera.

(Thanks for teaching me a new word!)
 
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They have certainly ruined Los Angeles too. Banning all homelessness and vagrancy is long past due. Time for the National Guard/FEMA to come in and sweep the entire state, clean it up. Liberals time and time again, prove they are the biggest hypocrites on the planet. There is trash all over the streets, most from the homeless. Much is from the immoral shit heads that live in this state claiming they are so "pro-enviro", then proceed to throw all their trash out the window. All these celebrities bitch and moan about it while living in gated, protected communities. Meanwhile, in the real world, vagrants roam the streets (neighborhoods, not commercial) starting at houses looking for anything to walk up and take. Many times breaking into houses and cars. THIS ALL STARTED WITH PROPOSITION 47 - this problem is happening in every liberal run city. They do not know how to govern. The proof is all around us.
 

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Honestly there's a lot of truth here. It's kind of sickening to see the same rich tech liberals in San Francisco who are probably voting for these crazy policies completely ignore and look down on the homeless that populate their city. Basically, many of them simply want to virtue vote and maybe pay a bit more in taxes to absolve themselves of not actually giving a shit about the homeless problem and their active role in exacerbating it.
It's very pre-Protestant Catholicesque. Pay indulgences to absolve oneself of their earthly sins to lessen their temporal punishment after death.
 
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Reap all the virtue points for "starting a conversation" and having the "right" intentions, and then scurry away when the actual implementation not only fails but makes things worse.

Millennials are often pegged as the "participation award generation" but this is a further devolution: it is the ideology of slacktivists who start conversations and then walk away when the actual work needs to be done.
 

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I used to balk at the idea that GAF is just a less-anonymous offshoot of 4Chan, but you guys are making it really hard.

Then again, what did I expect? The site's very name is a Chan reference.
(Neo = New. Reverse 'GAF.' ...Surprise!)

It's like GAF and ERA are competing to see who can radicalize the fastest, but in opposite directions.
Because it's impossible that something have a double meaning, right?
This is so wrong. You have clearly no idea of the history behind NeoGAF, the formation of it, or even the history of the site you are claiming this is an offshoot of. How do you get these many easily verifiable facts wrong? How are you making connections where none exists?

You came out guns blazing with wrong information and now you are burning out like Icarus.
 

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Reap all the virtue points for "starting a conversation" and having the "right" intentions, and then scurry away when the actual implementation not only fails but makes things worse.

Millennials are often pegged as the "participation award generation" but this is a further devolution: it is the ideology of slacktivists who start conversations and then walk away when the actual work needs to be done.
Wait, you mean do actual work? Like some kind of wage slave?

The government is supposed to take care of all the work!

This is so wrong. You have clearly no idea of the history behind NeoGAF, the formation of it, or even the history of the site you are claiming this is an offshoot of. How do you get these many easily verifiable facts wrong? How are you making connections where none exists?

You came out guns blazing with wrong information and now you are burning out like Icarus.
One of the strangest conspiracy theories I've seen around here for sure...
 
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You're projecting that.
I'm merely saying that comparing me vaguely offending a website doesn't compare to directly calling a person "scum" or telling them to "eat shit," and acting as though that's somehow more offensive than targeted statements meant to offend is skin so thin as to be translucent.
You’re the one projecting. The people writing off your opinions have no emotional investment in your thoughts or feelings, which is why they have no qualms with trying to rile you up. Your craziness is good for a laugh, and little else. They don’t take you seriously.

You, on the other hand, take this forum, this discussion, and these posts VERY seriously and are VERY emotionally invested in this discussion. Which makes you easy to fuck with.

But because you take yourself so seriously, you assume everyone else takes you seriously. That’s not the case.

SF can get fairly chilly this time of year, remember to bring a jacket the next time you go to your designated shitting street.
 

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Wait, you mean do actual work? Like some kind of wage slave?

The government is supposed to take care of all the work!
It certainly doesn't do the ideology any favors when you get screamed at for not going along with the scheme or expressing concern about how this will all be accomplished.

Whaaat? You hate homeless people? Scum! This is why your entire political bloc needs to be pushed out of our society.

Marxism gonna marxism. Constitutions were written to protect society from its own mob-virtue for this very reason.
 

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I was glad to leave the Bay Area a few years ago, It's gotten worse since I left and it was pretty shitty even then(2014). The cost of living is crazy high, people in Oakland being pushed out by folks from San Fran, the crime was terrible and the people were incredibly venomous. It's such a competitive environment that doesn't promote coexisting. It was constantly "how can I fuck my buddy so that I get ahead" type mentality and was fucking terrible. My mother in law lives there still and I've been trying to convince her to sell her house while it's still massively over-inflated in value before the general population come to their senses and start leaving in droves. One of my best friends still lives there and he's always talking about how you can no longer walk The City looking at all the cool architecture and art as you have to constantly keep your head down looking at your feet so you avoid needles and shit. Their new "decriminalization" of petty crimes has also made it much harder for him to drive into the city to work as his car is constantly being broken in to and the cops literally can't do anything even if there's overwhelming evidence for a "traditional" conviction in any other normal state. Fuck that state and that city.
 
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I get what you're saying and depending on the policy, I am often supportive of liberal policies (like marijuana decriminalization, for example), but the reality is that a lot of these homeless folks who are on meth or heroin do not want help and will actively refuse it. Even when given countless chances, they will choose to stick with their current lifestyle until the inevitable end comes.

I feel with you in regards to empathy and compassion. I really do, but I've had too much experience with the drugged up homeless situation here in Seattle, and even how it can completely transform close family members into complete fiends who live for nothing but another hit and will do anything to anyone to get it, to have hope that changing laws to be more lenient towards these people will improve the situation for anyone.

Shit like decriminalizing petty theft is only enabling their lifestyle and putting the cost on local shop owners. When you embolden people to steal in broad daylight and let them know they will face no consequences, you just get situations like this, which end up hurting even more law-abiding poor folks, who actually have homes in the area and can't just move on to the next tent camp in another part of town. https://komonews.com/news/local/crime-prompts-sodos-only-grocery-store-to-close

In my honest opinion, imprisonment is a far better path for these people than what we're seeing them turn to today, which is basically one of moving between disheveled tent cities, in which violence, theft, rape are commonplace and the sanitary situation is a complete disaster. Piling on policies that create and encourage this kind of lifestyle are not empathetic or compassionate. They are hateful.
I also agree with incarceration.

In Canada in the 90s we had places for those with mental health problems -- they were called asylums. Most were closed down with the inevitable disaster of addicts and individuals with mental health issues (often caused by addiction) living in the streets.

At a certain point you have to balance compassion with protecting your citizens. Letting a city go to shit (literally) does nobody any favours... The middle class moves out and you are left with no tax base to continue feeding the social services disaster.
 

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I also agree with incarceration.

In Canada in the 90s we had places for those with mental health problems -- they were called asylums. Most were closed down with the inevitable disaster of addicts and individuals with mental health issues (often caused by addiction) living in the streets.

At a certain point you have to balance compassion with protecting your citizens. Letting a city go to shit (literally) does nobody any favours... The middle class moves out and you are left with no tax base to continue feeding the social services disaster.
The argument of compassion and empathy rarely makes sense to me in these situations, because the people making them completely ignore the devastation being done to the city and the real damage being incurred by the law-abiding citizens. Some don't stop at ignoring it, but talk as if it's the moral duty of other citizens to tolerate this craziness and just keep supporting the policies that enable it.
 

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So here is an example. I live beside the "Times Square" of Canada. Massive tourist draw, etc.

A couple years ago they opened a safe injection site right beside Dundas Square. Now there are large gatherings of addicts every day and night by the square. This in turn has drawn in dealers and gangs fighting for turf. People who actually live in the area are leaving.

The reasoning For the site was that without the clinic the addicts would shoot up in alleys and washrooms, leaving needles all over the place.

My solution is to lock them all up and force rebab programs to those incarcerated as well as mental health services for those that need it.
 

zeorhymer

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So here is an example. I live beside the "Times Square" of Canada. Massive tourist draw, etc.

A couple years ago they opened a safe injection site right beside Dundas Square. Now there are large gatherings of addicts every day and night by the square. This in turn has drawn in dealers and gangs fighting for turf. People who actually live in the area are leaving.

The reasoning For the site was that without the clinic the addicts would shoot up in alleys and washrooms, leaving needles all over the place.

My solution is to lock them all up and force rebab programs to those incarcerated as well as mental health services for those that need it.
Same thing happened in San Francisco too! They're claiming that drug needles are going down, but uh the new drug of choice is fentanyl which doesn't use needles. Now there's druggies all over the place.
 

EviLore

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It must be super convenient to live in a world where anyone who asks questions and expects answers doesn't "deserve" conversation.
What are you even doing on the political section of a message board if you're completely unwilling to engage with any viewpoint you don't already agree with?



Right, and that's all common knowledge.
It's a fun coincidence that years after 4chan popped up this board rebranded in such a specific way, though.
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Because part of being part of an educated electorate is trying to understand the viewpoints of others.
When someone refuses to explain their beliefs or how they arrived at them, though, it's basically an admittance that those beliefs don't hold up.
At the very least it signals that, as passionate as an individual might seem about what they're saying, they don't find it worth defending or fighting for.



Oooh, this is like a "Greatest Hits" compilation of avoidance-dismissal.
We've got "shaped like itself" indoctrination leaning into "wrongthink," political dehumanization, and the tacit assertion that GAF is in fact a reactive mirror of ERA.

You think "whiny" just means "disagrees with you and doesn't submit," don't you?



I'm sure this is a "hot take" or a "sick burn" or whatever in your mind, but it's just cementing the idea that you aren't able to tolerate ideas that disagree with you and aren't able to articulate for yourself.
Another fedora-wearing ignoramus playing intellectual because his confirmation bias tells him everybody who is anti-liberal magically means they're Republicans.

You literally compared this site to that of 4Chan, nothing you say is valid. Half-effort strawman response, try again.
 
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It explains much of your worldview that you consider conversation that doesn't pander to you "trolling."

What am I going to do about it? Eventually I'll get bored and I'll go back to organizing my office, or germinating the flowers I want to transplant into my landscaping, or setting up the ceiling projector I've been putting off, or watching the robot vacuum cleaner run headfirst into every wall and chair leg, like a toddler with short term memory issues. You think you have far more affect on my day than you do. A few hours from now the only reason to remember you will be to chortle at how desperately you're trying and failing to put me down and how it just proves how much I'm the one actually getting under your skin.

I guess if you're going to be a "troll," it's at least nice to have a luxury cave.
Not trying to dogpile on you(while unironically doing so). I really think you should consider being more open minded instead of doubling down or going for boogeymen. Of course, it's your life and you will probably chastise or ignore me.
 
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Another fedora-wearing ignoramus playing intellectual because his confirmation bias tells him everybody who is anti-liberal magically means they're Republicans.

You literally compared this site to that of 4Chan, nothing you say is valid. Half-effort strawman response, try again.
It's not just the comparison to 4Chan. He literally made up the origin of the meaning of Neogaf to make that comparison. I genuinely think he has some sort of mental illness because it's such a stupid thing to do. Or maybe he is just plain dumb and there's nothing that can be done.
 

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This is so wrong. You have clearly no idea of the history behind NeoGAF, the formation of it, or even the history of the site you are claiming this is an offshoot of. How do you get these many easily verifiable facts wrong? How are you making connections where none exists?

You came out guns blazing with wrong information and now you are burning out like Icarus.
The irony?


So why have they been hanging out on an extremist 4chan-borne forum for the past 8 years? :pie_thinking:
 

brap’s dad

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It's almost as though packing people into dense urban population and culture centers tends to result in issues with overpopulation and limited resources.
Have you noticed that nearly all large cities are "liberal?'
It's as if packing millions of humans into a relatively small space that necessitates them to live, work together and experience a myriad of new viewpoints results in a population that's literally more 'social.'

I like how you completely disregard any chance to have an actual conversation and defuse the risk of actually having to think about or learn something by going straight for the low effort meme-response, though.

What's your solution? It can't involve mental health or outreach services, because those are socialism. (Hissssss...! Boo...!)
Is your answer to just incarcerate vagrants, homeless and the mentally ill in our for-profit prison system?

You think if you just make life harder for people in the "right" way they'll suddenly become suburban wage-workers?

Yeah, that sounds totally plausible. If all of society would just ridicule, marginalize and deincentivize people harder I'm sure they'd start doing everything in their power to gain the acceptance of those that want them to be out-of-sight, out-of-mind. Nothing gets the disenfranchised, vulnerable, compromised and homeless more psyched up than less warmth, less food, less shelter and less humanity. The depressed and downtrodden respond so well to louder yelling and more aggressive finger pointing.

At a certain point, it's almost like you're waging a war on the very concepts of empathy and compassion.
If you wanted a conversation, you shouldn’t have come in and big brained us by comparing us with 4chan and Ree. You’ve always been a salty, miserly cunt yet you wonder why no one likes you and why they just point and laugh at you instead. Hint: the problem is you. We’re certainly open to discussing social policy if you come in like a rational adult instead of a spoiled child throwing a tantrum because he didn’t get his own way. But you didn’t; you got triggered by one dude dunking on your self-assigned political tribe and said GAF is basically just 4chan and Ree when u think about it. Then you made up some ridiculous conspiracy theory that NeoGAF is an offshoot of 4chan because Neo = new (??) and GAF backwards is FAG? It means New Gaming Age Forum.

You absolute twat.