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Liberal Policies are Ruining San Francisco

matt404au

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It's not my fault if the only voice people know how to read opinions they disagree with in is hysterical shrieking.

It's a pretty simple question: "What would you try to help fix the problem that you're constantly complaining about?"
Nobody is willing to even attempt to answer, instead acting outraged that they're being questioned at all.

What exactly do you people envision as the point of a political discussion forum if it's not - to some degree - for people to "show up and argue?"
That's what political discourse is.

It's baffling. I'm the coward for taking it on the chin and persisting in waiting for an answer to what I thought was the discussion topic.
I'm the one that's too offensive and combative to "deserve" conversation while just in the source of this thread I've been laughed at, told to eat shit, called "scum," etc.

That's why I say this place is just the mirror of ERA.
ERA stamps out "disagreeable speech" with moderation action that prevents you from returning. GAF crowdsources, dogpiling until the "other" doesn't want to.
Comes in swinging then resorts to playing the victim when he gets laughed at. Nice.

Also, whaddya mean “you people”?
 

cr0w

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SoulUnison SoulUnison remember when you had a literal meltdown over your inability to stop getting banned from ResetERA and this place was the first place you ran to complain about the existential crisis that being attacked by other "progressives" provoked in you?

You seem to have an inability to just...log the fuck off when you're not enjoying someplace. Seriously, it's just two clicks, man.
 

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I used to balk at the idea that GAF is just a less-anonymous offshoot of 4Chan, but you guys are making it really hard.

Then again, what did I expect? The site's very name is a Chan reference.
(Neo = New. Reverse 'GAF.' ...Surprise!)

It's like GAF and ERA are competing to see who can radicalize the fastest, but in opposite directions.
Imagine never having heard of Gaming Age Forums.
 

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I've said it before, Western Liberalism is the most dangerous ideology Western civilization facing since the Nazi and communism..

.....and we're losing the battle. Because they control the corporations, the media and the narrative
Except this isn't a result of classical liberalism at all (No clue what western liberalism is). This is a result of policies that favor a big centralized government behaving as its citizen's nanny.
 

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Except this isn't a result of classical liberalism at all (No clue what western liberalism is). This is a result of policies that favor a big centralized government behaving as its citizen's nanny.
But those policies are derived from liberal ideology

Western liberalism is an extreme form of Liberalism (that's my own personal distinction from classical liberalism) I notice liberalism can be the force of good in conservative countries like Indonesia, Malaysia and Turkey. Liberals ideology is what preventing those countries from becoming full-Islamic country.

Western Liberalism is an abomination of liberalism where trans female are considered female, where open border for refugees is what they are aiming for, where illegal immigrants cannot be deported, where the homeless cannot be moved from public space to shelter homes. It's an extreme humanism where rules and laws don't/cannot be applied anymore
 
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bigedole

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But those policies are derived from liberal ideology

Western liberalism is an extreme form of Liberalism (that's my own personal distinction from classical liberalism) I notice liberalism can be the force of good in conservative countries like Indonesia, Malaysia and Turkey. Liberals ideology is what preventing those countries from becoming full-Islamic country.

Western Liberalism is an abomination of liberalism where trans female are considered female, where open border for refugees is what they are aiming for, where illegal immigrants cannot be deported, where the homeless cannot be moved from public space to shelter homes. It's an extreme humanism where rules and laws don't/cannot be applied anymore
I don't think there's any part of this that is similar to liberalism or its concept. A key component of classical liberalism is recognizing the individual and their rights. What's happening now is a result of intersectionalism whose call is do boil every one down to their identity groups and determine how they should be treated based on that identity. It specifically ignores the individual, and in fact happily sacrifices them "for the sake of the greater good". I haven't seen anyone anywhere refer to this as any kind of liberalism, except you...
 

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I don't think there's any part of this that is similar to liberalism or its concept. A key component of classical liberalism is recognizing the individual and their rights. What's happening now is a result of intersectionalism whose call is do boil every one down to their identity groups and determine how they should be treated based on that identity. It specifically ignores the individual, and in fact happily sacrifices them "for the sake of the greater good". I haven't seen anyone anywhere refer to this as any kind of liberalism, except you...
ok I'm confused, are you arguing that SF policies aren't liberal policies at all?

or the examples I just described do not exemplify liberal policies?
 
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bigedole

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ok I'm confused, are you arguing that SF policies aren't liberal policies at all?

or the examples I just described do not exemplify liberal policies?
Present day liberals (The Democratic Party) do not believe in liberalism. Does that make it any clearer? SF is absolutely a result of liberal's policies, not liberalism.
 
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Present day liberals (The Democratic Party) do not believe in liberalism. Does that make it any clearer? SF is absolutely a result of liberal's policies, not liberalism.
i.e. so-called “liberals” are no longer subscribing to traditional liberal values that support the rights of the individual above the wants of the collective
 

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was there last year. its unbelievable, and worst than i imagine. crack smokers everywhre, mentally ill people walking like zombies through union square, and disgusting smell at the morning. i felt better and more secure in many third world cities.
 

matt404au

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was there last year. its unbelievable, and worst than i imagine. crack smokers everywhre, mentally ill people walking like zombies through union square, and disgusting smell at the morning. i felt better and more secure in many third world cities.
But it’s not their fault, so the solution is to enact more left wing solutions that throw inordinate amounts of money at the problem. You know, empathy and all that. Why teach them to fish when you can just give them a fish and reap their votes forever?
 

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But it’s not their fault, so the solution is to enact more left wing solutions that throw inordinate amounts of money at the problem. You know, empathy and all that. Why teach them to fish when you can just give them a fish and reap their votes forever?
honestly, i dont think most of sf homeless are capable to vote. they look incredible unhealthy and not very stable.
 
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I don't like to paint a broad brush and I like to evaluate anything on a case by case basis, but while I do think there are people out there with unique circumstances who the system fucks over who do work hard, I feel generally that most of these far left policies really just boil down to people not wanting to work hard or being too unmotivated to better themselves or their situation so they basically want to be able to do whatever they want without legal repercussions and get free shit, and if not, just blame it all on the world that they don't have these things.
 

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I don't like to paint a broad brush and I like to evaluate anything on a case by case basis, but while I do think there are people out there with unique circumstances who the system fucks over who do work hard, I feel generally that most of these far left policies really just boil down to people not wanting to work hard or being too unmotivated to better themselves or their situation so they basically want to be able to do whatever they want without legal repercussions and get free shit, and if not, just blame it all on the world that they don't have these things.
It's exactly that, with the justification being that some rich people perhaps didn't quite earn all of their wealth, so fuck this unjust and oppressive world give me free shit.
 

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It's almost as though packing people into dense urban population and culture centers tends to result in issues with overpopulation and limited resources.
Have you noticed that nearly all large cities are "liberal?'
It's as if packing millions of humans into a relatively small space that necessitates them to live, work together and experience a myriad of new viewpoints results in a population that's literally more 'social.'

I like how you completely disregard any chance to have an actual conversation and defuse the risk of actually having to think about or learn something by going straight for the low effort meme-response, though.

What's your solution? It can't involve mental health or outreach services, because those are socialism. (Hissssss...! Boo...!)
Is your answer to just incarcerate vagrants, homeless and the mentally ill in our for-profit prison system?

You think if you just make life harder for people in the "right" way they'll suddenly become suburban wage-workers?

Yeah, that sounds totally plausible. If all of society would just ridicule, marginalize and deincentivize people harder I'm sure they'd start doing everything in their power to gain the acceptance of those that want them to be out-of-sight, out-of-mind. Nothing gets the disenfranchised, vulnerable, compromised and homeless more psyched up than less warmth, less food, less shelter and less humanity. The depressed and downtrodden respond so well to louder yelling and more aggressive finger pointing.

At a certain point, it's almost like you're waging a war on the very concepts of empathy and compassion.
Why are liberals so stupid?

I swear, it's the same shit every time with them
 
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DragoonKain

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It's exactly that, with the justification being that some rich people perhaps didn't quite earn all of their wealth, so fuck this unjust and oppressive world give me free shit.
Narcissists have convinced themselves that the world is fair and they deserve things.
 
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LOL.

But I thought the media and Hollywood glamourize SF as super rich folks, nice weather, those fancy hilly streetcars, a west coast paradise.

Where's all the media telling people there trashy subways with bums everywhere and homeless people shitting?

I guess social media is good for something, since mainstream media zips it. lol
 

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This artical (written by a progressive BTW) explains how I see it. Especially the parts where it describes how a red state like Arizona spends less and has better results because it hasn't had the self defeating policies California has enacted, usually as an unintended consequence of a liberal policy addressing an unrelated issue.... especially drug and crime policies.

This article is a very accurate depiction of the shithole that Los Angeles has become over the last 10+ years. One of the big problems is our mayor and City Council refuse to acknowledge that the vast majority of homeless are severely mentally ill and/or drug addicted.

Mayor yoga pants and his minions want to build and give the homeless $700,000 apartments plus a little counseling and voila, they will become fine productive members of society. It will take YEARS to build all these $700K apartments and even if that were a rational idea it does nothing to deal with our immediate crisis, plus it gives incentive to come here, be homeless and get a free $700K home, hell I want a free $700K apartment.

Instead they need to get these people off the street NOW. Put them into these massive tents that Rev Bales (Same man from the Forbes article) has put up at the cost of $1M to house 130 women. Housing that can be erected in months instead of years for 130 people at the cost of $1M or housing for 1 person for $700K which one is more effective?

They need to put tons these up on vacant city land and direct the homeless to use the new shelters. They need to provide mental health & drug addiction professionals onsite and once they have enough shelters to house all the homeless make it illegal to camp on public property. Any homeless people that refuse to avail themselves of the shelters and professional help offered and continue to camp on public property can instead be housed in jail.

This hippie-dippie far left bullshit that has overtaken our once sane & beautiful city and state ever since we became a 1-party far left state is destroying us. We need adults with some sanity to deal with this crisis NOW.

Article on Rev. Bales and the Union Mission tent shelter:
 

rykomatsu

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It's a pretty simple question: "What would you try to help fix the problem that you're constantly complaining about?"
Nobody is willing to even attempt to answer, instead acting outraged that they're being questioned at all.
This is quite dishonest - your question and qualifier:
Again: What's your solution?
How do you get the people you're dedicated to complaining about to become citizens you approve of without it costing any money?
How the fuck is anyone supposed to take your question seriously?
 

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It's not my fault if the only voice people know how to read opinions they disagree with in is hysterical shrieking.

It's a pretty simple question: "What would you try to help fix the problem that you're constantly complaining about?"
Nobody is willing to even attempt to answer, instead acting outraged that they're being questioned at all.

What exactly do you people envision as the point of a political discussion forum if it's not - to some degree - for people to "show up and argue?"
That's what political discourse is.

It's baffling. I'm the coward for taking it on the chin and persisting in waiting for an answer to what I thought was the discussion topic.
I'm the one that's too offensive and combative to "deserve" conversation while just in the source of this thread I've been laughed at, told to eat shit, called "scum," etc.

That's why I say this place is just the mirror of ERA.
ERA stamps out "disagreeable speech" with moderation action that prevents you from returning. GAF crowdsources, dogpiling until the "other" doesn't want to.
I posted my solution above — incarceration, removal from society until the individual can reintegrate — meaning forced rehab and counselling, and in the case of serious mental health, forced meds. Generally the addictions and mental health go hand in hand too (commodality) with one making the other worse. I worked with street involved youth for 3 years so I’m saying this from a place of having been actively involved in providing social services to homeless and marginalized communities.

As for disagreeable speech on GAF versus Resetera — both communities will dog pile to some extent, an unavoidable consequence of like minded individuals seeking out each other. The difference being only ONE of the two communities will ban for WrongThink.

On GAF you may feel piled on but nobody is going to stop you from reasonably stating your views. The key word being “reasonably”. If you are being an asshole from the get go, then old GAF rules apply. Not old GAF from 2013 - 16, old GAF pre 2013. Back then nobody had to think about it, douchebags got slaughtered by the community then banned for being a dick. It wasn’t about politics back then mind you, it was about if you were being a loser or not. A loser being somebody who pre emptively attacks the community for example with grandiose statements and smug self righteousness in say the first post they put up. Attitude really.
 
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I posted my solution above — incarceration, removal from society until the individual can reintegrate — meaning forced rehab and counselling, and in the case of serious mental health, forced meds. Generally the addictions and mental health fo hand in hand too (commodality) with one making the other worse. I worked with street involved youth for 3 years so I’m saying this from a place of having been actively involved in providing social services to homeless and marginalized communities.

As for disagreeable speech on GAF versus Resetera — both communities will dog pile to some extent, an unavoidable consequence of like minded individuals seeking out each other. The difference being only ONE of the two communities will ban for WrongThink.

On GAF you may feel piled on but nobody is going to stop you from reasonably stating your views. The key word being “reasonably”. If you are being an asshole from the get go, then old GAF rules apply. Not old GAF from 2013 - 16, old GAF pre 2013. Back then nobody had to think about it, douchebags got slaughtered by the community then banned for being a dick. It wasn’t about politics back then mind you, it was about if you were being a loser or not. A loser being somebody who pre emptively attacks the community for example with grandiose statements and smug self righteousness in say the first post they put up. Attitude really.

I agree that incarceration seems to be the best path. I think partly, we are reaping what we've sown, because according to this archived NY Times article from 1984, the problem was already apparent back then. The article says that we have been basically allowing people who should be institutionalized out with the general public, hoping to medicate them into being acceptable to society. But it's kinda obvious that shit isn't working. But there is also a mental problem in the politics of the Left; we've seen it time again, where they try to claim there are thousands of genders, and the fuckin' wacky she/he/they/them pronoun horse manure. And now we are seeing it where they're essentially giving people free reign to steal. The far Left has lost its fucking mind and gone so far off the deep end they don't even approximate logic anymore.

As for GAF and REEEEEEEE being at all similar aside from the content discussed, all I have to say is: LOL. I know people who don't even bother making an account on REEEEEEE because they won't be allowed to say what they think and when the result is an echo chamber, what's one more voice in the chorus? Here you can speak your mind respectfully and no one bothers you. I think most of these people who come in playing victim are simply so shocked to see other viewpoints being discussed that it fries the circuits in their brains and they go into DICKMODE.
 
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Get rid of the NIMBY policies, get rid of rent-control.
Let the market sort itself out.

Then let the socialites realise that you can't run a city where you have to pay 2M$ for a wooden shack. and you can't find anybody to clean your 30 M$ home or take care of your garden.
 
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Bill cuts mental and dental

Bill Clinton cutting mental funding and closing so many insane asylums is one of the chief causes of the homelessness issue.

Some people have serious mental issues, they cannot self medicate or self sustain themselves. I think as a society we should provide the care for these. You would think liberals would agree with that.

I would be fine with my taxes going to Insane Asylums.
 

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Bill cuts mental and dental

Bill Clinton cutting mental funding and closing so many insane asylums is one of the chief causes of the homelessness issue.

Some people have serious mental issues, they cannot self medicate or self sustain themselves. I think as a society we should provide the care for these. You would think liberals would agree with that.

I would be fine with my taxes going to Insane Asylums.
I've been thinking that for a while. Also, orphanages. The idea that the parent is always the best person to raise a child even if the parent is a deadbeat is a big problem. Unfortunately, I have no idea what reasons should be enough to separate them and I wouldn't want to make that call.
 

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This article is a very accurate depiction of the shithole that Los Angeles has become over the last 10+ years. One of the big problems is our mayor and City Council refuse to acknowledge that the vast majority of homeless are severely mentally ill and/or drug addicted.

Mayor yoga pants and his minions want to build and give the homeless $700,000 apartments plus a little counseling and voila, they will become fine productive members of society. It will take YEARS to build all these $700K apartments and even if that were a rational idea it does nothing to deal with our immediate crisis, plus it gives incentive to come here, be homeless and get a free $700K home, hell I want a free $700K apartment.

Instead they need to get these people off the street NOW. Put them into these massive tents that Rev Bales (Same man from the Forbes article) has put up at the cost of $1M to house 130 women. Housing that can be erected in months instead of years for 130 people at the cost of $1M or housing for 1 person for $700K which one is more effective?

They need to put tons these up on vacant city land and direct the homeless to use the new shelters. They need to provide mental health & drug addiction professionals onsite and once they have enough shelters to house all the homeless make it illegal to camp on public property. Any homeless people that refuse to avail themselves of the shelters and professional help offered and continue to camp on public property can instead be housed in jail.

This hippie-dippie far left bullshit that has overtaken our once sane & beautiful city and state ever since we became a 1-party far left state is destroying us. We need adults with some sanity to deal with this crisis NOW.

Article on Rev. Bales and the Union Mission tent shelter:
John and Ken show?
 
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Altruism is an irrational philosophy that requires that one sacrifice themselves for the betterment of others. Altruism derives itself from an overabundance of empathy. It is good to have some empathy, and care about your fellow man. It is bad to tear yourself down to alleviate another person's hardship. You will never make another person happy by wiping their ass for them if they can do so themselves. You will just end up with shit on your hands, they will forget how to wipe their own ass and both resent you for taking away their ability to wipe their own ass, and be dependent on you to wipe their ass for them.

That isn't to say, charity or kindness are bad things. One can be both charitable and kind without sacrificing themselves. If by doing good things you make your community better without harming yourself in the process, you in turn benefit from said actions. Sometimes what it takes to make a community better isn't the path that provides immediate gratification for others though. And one must know that to utilize charity properly. It is the difference between giving the beggar money to go buy another 40oz or sachet of meth versus getting them clean and into a new life.

Sadly, we have a lot of people with shit on their hands and a lot of people who need their asses wiped for them.
 
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So why exactly has like petty theft been decriminalized, let alone the other stuff? I just don't understand or can figure out why.
 
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So why exactly has like petty theft been decriminalized, let alone the other stuff? I just don't understand or can figure out why.
Because one side is "creating oppressive, harsh, punishments in a for-profit system" to make the rich white guys richer. The other will give you free stuff, let you take free stuff, and blame all of your problems on someone else. If you are a poor loser, which one are you going to vote for?

Short answer: votes
 

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Because one side is "creating oppressive, harsh, punishments in a for-profit system" to make the rich white guys richer. The other will give you free stuff, let you take free stuff, and blame all of your problems on someone else. If you are a poor loser, which one are you going to vote for?

Short answer: votes
So basically it sounds like this: people who need votes to stay where they are or get to where they want to be have realized there are more poorer and less fortunate people than there are well to do folks, so they are doing what they can to get votes from those poorer people?

So they let them get away with shit to get their votes because it's easier than trying to do the work to improve their lives?
 
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So why exactly has like petty theft been decriminalized, let alone the other stuff? I just don't understand or can figure out why.
California has a huge prison population problem, and they were ordered by a federal judge to deal with it. Decriminalizing smaller crimes was meant to be a solution to that problem
 

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So basically it sounds like this: people who need votes to stay where they are or get to where they want to be have realized there are more poorer and less fortunate people than there are well to do folks, so they are doing what they can to get votes from those poorer people?

So they let them get away with shit to get their votes because it's easier than trying to do the work to improve their lives?
You really nailed it with the last line. Imagine coming in and telling poor people they need to work and improve their lives. No one wants to hear that crap. Now imagine telling them that they are victims, and you will give them special treatment. Well fuck yea. Where do I vote?
 
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