As awesome as Fallout (the second one especially) was, should it really go on forever? At some point, it's just better to have a fresh start. Both psychologically and in terms of creative freedom.
To horribly mutilate a Nolan qoute: "You either die a cult classic, or live long enough to see yourself become Skyrim."
(And I don't think of Fallout 1,2 and NV and Fallout 3 to be of the same franchise)
Yep, Obsidian is surprisingly cool about stuff like that. Chris Avellone has also said that he would love to make a Knights of the Old Republic 3, even though he and Obsidian were treated horrible by everyone when they made the second game.
A fair amount of the stuff from van buren made its way into New Vegas from what I recall. It's the closest we'll get.
Obsidian is not exactly in a position to hold grudges or be picky about they work on. Pillars gave them a ton of breathing room, but they're still an extraordinarily large studio.Yep, Obsidian is surprisingly cool about stuff like that. Chris Avellone has also said that he would love to make a Knights of the Old Republic 3, even though he and Obsidian were treated horrible by everyone when they made the second game.
Obsidian is not exactly in a position to hold grudges or be picky about they work on. Pillars gave them a ton of breathing room, but they're still an extraordinarily large studio.
Still it's only a distant dream they'd be on Fallout 4. Let's just be realistic and hope Bethesda has improved their writing and quest design teams.
Listen, if you don't like a game, or a company, it doesn't equal to game XYZ being bad. YOU find it bad and that's okay, everyone has different opinions, but I'm sorry to tell you guys, but...in the case of Fallout 3, Oblivion, Skyrim and especially Morrowind, you guys are in the minority.
If those games would be so bad like everyone tries to make them here then noone would buy them, yet both franchises sell exceedingly well. Skyrim alone sold over 20 Mil. copies. The Fallout franchise was nothing before Bethesda took over. Fallout is only that well known around the world and gamers because THEY made the ip become successful, before it wasn't and without BGS it would have never been.
The Fallout franchise was nothing before Bethesda took over.
[Update: We received an email from Mirada Studios demanding we pull this story. A representative cited inaccuracies, but also confirmed the story was breaking a non-disclosure agreement. As nobody at Destructoid signed an NDA, we're assuming that confirms somebody else broke NDA. I wonder who might be in trouble.]
Gamesradar said:That's apparently what happened, as Destructoid reports that Mirada Studios, the promotional studio which the artist linked to the Fallout 4 trailer, has cited a breach of a non-disclosure agreement and demanded the site remove its coverage of the artist's profile.
Yeah, I know a year or two back some one from Obsidian said they would love to do another Fallout and thought it was a good idea for Bethesda to do east coast fallout cause that was the area they were more familiar with and Obsidian do west coast. I'm all for that scenario, twice the Fallout. And while I prefer Obsidian's Fallout and think it is definitely superior, I'll totally enjoy a Bethesda one too.
They were only two of some of the best RPGs of all time, and are still considered to be so by many RPG enthusiast.
Ultimately, it's particular disappointing that Bethesda, after the showcase for world-building that was Morrowind, has gone in the opposite direction. Their games are no longer trying to simulate a world, but are more akin to theme parks. Despite all I've said, I don't think Bethesda has quite declined to the point of being terrible, and I am looking forward to seeing what they do with Fallout 4. The one recent rumor I'm particularly afraid of is that of the player-character being fully voiced.
I never saw the Fallout 3 reveal and I'm not really sure how I feel about a CG Fallout 4 reveal.
As much as I would prefer an Obsidian Fallout (to the point I would preorder the collector's edition), we would've heard something by now if Fallout 4 has really been in production for awhile. I'm definitely getting Fallout 4, but i'm waiting for the GOTY/Ultimate edition and the modding community to grow some (I wonder if paid mods are being introduced.
I also don't see Obsidian letting the Metacritic thing prevent them from working with Bethesda again. Like someone mentioned early, Obsidian can't really afford to say no to any project even with the success of Pillars of Eternity. In fact, I'm pretty sure Obsidian is a bit bigger than Bethesda Game Studios (who makes the Elder Scrolls + Fallout games).
Yeah, I remember reading that too. I agree with the bolded.
Excellent post, but these two paragraphs in particular were great.
I know I have Fallout 1 + 2 at the top of my best RPG list of all time, I play them each year they are so good.
The bold is the big thing for me as to why I didn't really care for Fallout 3 as much as Fallout: NV (besides the writing and quests of course). Fallout 3 felt like a theme park, Fallout: NV felt like a society trying to pick up the pieces after a nuclear war.
I'm confused as to why someone would be so oblivious as to how big a deal Fallout 4 is and still update their LinkedIn with the information that they worked on it . The game hasn't even been announced yet and this person puts it on their resume after also a NDA lol.
Happens way more often than you think. Some are just kids out of school, others don't understand the game culture at all/that people will look for this. Some make the mistake of thinking it's already debuted or out etc. These people ultimately lose their jobs etc while the studios they work for usually don't get that work anymore. It's good for literally no one when these things hit the internet.
I'm sure it does happen a lot, it's just weird that people are so oblivious to their work or how the business is run. I'm pretty sure if I see signed a NDA and worked in a company that deals with those types of contracts I'd probably try and be more aware of what it was I was working on lol.
Oh absolutely. Some people just don't get it or make an honest mistake that potentially ends their career. It's insane.