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Lion Unity Demo Running in Real-Time on PS5 (Native 4K, 30FPS)
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ChiefDada
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That's what you got out of this?
01011001
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as far as graphics demos go, yeah... a static scene with 2 animated characters is not in any way spectacular... maybe when reading through all the tech bla bla it will turn out to be more impressive than it looks, but the video alone, nah
It's a demo as in to demonstrate what can be done & not what will be done.
01011001
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what can be done is not a lot then if that's the demonstration.
the fur looks nice, but use that in anything resembling an actual video game and your performance will be in the drain
StreetsofBeige
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Looks like the typical game engine demo to me. Looks great in isolation. But in reality when gameplay and AI are needed the visuals drop dramatically.
It's like a painter making an incredible piece of art on a small canvas. Looks great. But let's see what he can do with limited time and budget making one as big as a highway billboard.
It's like a painter making an incredible piece of art on a small canvas. Looks great. But let's see what he can do with limited time and budget making one as big as a highway billboard.
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sendit
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01011001
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I mean it looks great but trusting tech demos is a fool's errand.
ChiefDada
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So if they provided you with a research paper full of tech jargon describing how this demo was made, then you would be impressed? Your knowledge of what consoles have previously been capable of with regards to real time rendering, coupled with what your eyes are seeing in this demo isn't isn't taken into consideration?
This forum sometimes, I swear...
FalsettoVibe
Member
Would you feel better if the rocks moved for no reason? Just allow it to be a tech demo man....geez. lol
FTFY
Negotiator101
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Gotta dream.
CamHostage
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(Also runs on Xbox Series X and PC, before we go too far...)
So, I think it's better to understand the pieces of this demo (which is the purpose, to showcase a number of Unity's different tech studios in one project, for the SIGGRAPH trade show) and why this demo is actually interesting from a developer's or designer's perspective (and hopefully gamers care too, but it is a tech demo, not a playable game.) There's a great breakdown of the team processes on the blog post.
https://blog.unity.com/technology/n...-in-action-and-the-future-of-weta-digital-for
Ziva Dynamics is probably the most exciting tech here, and the tech that's most relevant immediately to games you have played or will play: they did the ML muscles for the updated Spider-Man next-gen patch, and also were key to simulating the giant in the most recent Hellblade 2 demo. Ziva RT uses machine-learning systems to build moving humans and creatures trained for muscle definition and expression. It's used for full-body characters as well as faces and also clothing. This tech has been used a lot in movies and TV, and now is making its way into game development.
Speedtree, we all know, they're mostly known for trees of course, but they do all kinds of vegetation now. Their vegetation-growing system is in games all the time.
Wētā Digital's Wig is the groom system for hair (which IMO looks really great in realtime here). Wig is still new in realtime usage (AFAIK it's not been used in games until now?) but Weta is known for its movie effects quality, and the hair system is in particular cited in the blog post as "actually the fastest grooming tool that I’ve ever used," which is good for design and hopefully is good for games if it holds up in interactive (or at least realtime cinematic) use.
SyncSketch, that's not so much of interest to us gamers, it's just part of how they made it; this is a collaboration tool which "provides the ability for real-time production reviews and intuitive iteration."
And of course Unity Engine itself, which is showcased here in its next-gen 2023.1 Tech Stream iteration, with Unity's High Definition Render Pipeline (HDRP) system with their Global Illumination (GI) / Adaptive Probe Volumes (APV) lighting tech.
This is a demo for Unity Engine of course, but its also a look at its larger tech services (as well as tech that's being developed widely across game development and engine production studios, with Unity and Unreal leading the way in showing their work since they have tech to sell.) You already know games which use technology shown in this demo, and they're not even Unity Engine games. Whether it's a Unity Engine product or something else, the tech seen here is part of the ever-developing future.
So, I think it's better to understand the pieces of this demo (which is the purpose, to showcase a number of Unity's different tech studios in one project, for the SIGGRAPH trade show) and why this demo is actually interesting from a developer's or designer's perspective (and hopefully gamers care too, but it is a tech demo, not a playable game.) There's a great breakdown of the team processes on the blog post.
https://blog.unity.com/technology/n...-in-action-and-the-future-of-weta-digital-for
Ziva Dynamics is probably the most exciting tech here, and the tech that's most relevant immediately to games you have played or will play: they did the ML muscles for the updated Spider-Man next-gen patch, and also were key to simulating the giant in the most recent Hellblade 2 demo. Ziva RT uses machine-learning systems to build moving humans and creatures trained for muscle definition and expression. It's used for full-body characters as well as faces and also clothing. This tech has been used a lot in movies and TV, and now is making its way into game development.
Speedtree, we all know, they're mostly known for trees of course, but they do all kinds of vegetation now. Their vegetation-growing system is in games all the time.
Wētā Digital's Wig is the groom system for hair (which IMO looks really great in realtime here). Wig is still new in realtime usage (AFAIK it's not been used in games until now?) but Weta is known for its movie effects quality, and the hair system is in particular cited in the blog post as "actually the fastest grooming tool that I’ve ever used," which is good for design and hopefully is good for games if it holds up in interactive (or at least realtime cinematic) use.
SyncSketch, that's not so much of interest to us gamers, it's just part of how they made it; this is a collaboration tool which "provides the ability for real-time production reviews and intuitive iteration."
And of course Unity Engine itself, which is showcased here in its next-gen 2023.1 Tech Stream iteration, with Unity's High Definition Render Pipeline (HDRP) system with their Global Illumination (GI) / Adaptive Probe Volumes (APV) lighting tech.
This is a demo for Unity Engine of course, but its also a look at its larger tech services (as well as tech that's being developed widely across game development and engine production studios, with Unity and Unreal leading the way in showing their work since they have tech to sell.) You already know games which use technology shown in this demo, and they're not even Unity Engine games. Whether it's a Unity Engine product or something else, the tech seen here is part of the ever-developing future.
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I bet you're wrong , the biggest reason that Demos used to be way above what we would get in games was because of memory management that could be done in demos but not so much in games because you need to be able to load a lot more into the small amount of memory but now with SSDs being able to feed new data into main RAM devs can make games with high quality assets.
The biggest problem now is that no one is going to want to download 200+ GB games
01011001
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look, I have no idea what you find impressive about this, but maybe try to tell me?
I see 2 Lions, animated ok-ish, with really nice fur... and that in a completely static background where nothing is moving.
2 detailed characters in front of a ridiculously simple background is not impressive in any shape or form.
this can not be translated in any way into an actual game at all either. having more than anything you see here on screen would mean performance below 30fps or with a highly reduced resolution given that this demo is locked to 30fps.
using this fur in any capacity in a real game on anything more than the main character would also completely tank performance.
so, like I said, not sure what you see here.
yes it's nice looking, but it's not really impressive at first glance as it works as a static one-off scene, but that's about it
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IntentionalPun
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I honestly didn't even blink at the PS5 part.. I'd assume most people are aware at this point the systems aren't going to have dramatic differences at all.
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FalsettoVibe
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This.....any game I see on either console nowadays I feel pretty confident it can be done on the other with minimal differences.
at 30 fps
Oh I wasn't talking about what you said here, but people were starting to war with the stupid salty and other gifs already on page 1.
CamHostage
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Because people understand what a PS5 is. People might know what range under and below in the PC market compares to the $500 set-top box that's available for general consumers, or they might not. It doesn't matter, because they know PlayStations and Xboxes, because they have them or know people who have them. Maybe it could do better on an elite-end, high-priced PC, but it can do this, and this is really freaking good-looking. (Albeit for two characters in a confined demo space, but still, look at the kitties!) There's no need to imagine what the possibilities are if it can produce this level of quality on a box you can plug right into your TV; this is reality.
The demo will be at Siggraph (going on now, if you have more questions you can head on up to Vancouver and ask...) and might be on different hardware as part of that event.
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ChorizoPicozo
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What am I supposed to see here?
ChiefDada
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Because they are trying to show what's possible on specs of hardware that's affordable/attainable by the average consumer.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Probably because it's a massive platform for them business wise, and putting it on a console makes it more believable in a sense. People don't trust tech demos all that much but PC ones are probably the least trusted lol "Look at this demo running on 2 $1000 GPUs and an overclocked $700 CPU" is a nice way to make it look good, but not something that game devs are going to get excited about.
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Fbh
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What's one to get from this though?
Unless you show the tech actually attached to a playable demo all of these showcases are basically worthless.
"Look what's doable on your videogame console if you decide to make an animation with only 2 objects instead of a videogame"
Because the vast majority of people either have a console or a mid tier GPU. If you are trying to sell gaming tech you usually want to show that it works well on "average" tech.
Making some mindblowing scene that only runs at 30fps on a 3090ti isn't worth much because no one is going to spend millions making a product that can only be sold to the small number of high end GPU owners.
CamHostage
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They're worthless to you, the hungry gamer looking for something new to play.
They're not worthless for designers, which, considering this demo was made for the SIGGRAPH trade show of "computer graphics and interactive techniques", makes plenty of sense.
...They didn't use to show or give most of these demos out to the public for reasons why you're citing, because they're not "real" games and the actual products using this tech will vary wildly. However, tech studios are generally more open now (or rather it's harder to put up gates keeping non-technical people out in the era of Youtube and such,) and so there's a little bit of trust needed that if a tech demo is interesting to you then please check out but if you're not into it then don't worry so much about it. So, enjoy responsibly.
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Bernd Lauert
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The furries can't keep getting away with it.
DeepEnigma
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Adorable, really.
RoadHazard
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We barely have any proper next-gen games yet, everything is cross-gen. The closest is probably R&C, and that can look absolutely spectacular at times (but is still of course far from the best these consoles could achieve).
CamHostage
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No, this is their SIGGRAPH demo and their multi-studio collaborative tools demonstration.
Enemies is more or less their answer to the Unreal Engine 5 reveal.
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CamHostage
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Unity certainly takes its fair knocks (even pro Unity developers grumble about long-standing issues which often affect finished games,) and high-end studios generally go for the Unreal model, for a variety of reasons (some of which are in those grumbles...) So the best-looking games on the market are rarely Unity Engine games, and yeah, those Unity demos over the years (including all the Adam short films) never really made it in the game market.
2D games, basically everything gorgeous made in the past two gens has been Unity, so like Ori and Cuphead and My Friend Pedro and a lot of that stuff is Unity. But that's not really exactly what Lion or other Unity demos generally try to show off, so ignore those for this conversation.
3D games, probably the high points are Oddworld Soulstorm, Genshin Impact, Subnautica, the Cities games, the final Syberia, Humankind, Escape from Tarkov, the upcoming games Ferocious and Shining Girl and Morbid Metal... I can't think of a 3D game I'd consider best-in-class which runs on Unity, but the graphics system is generally capable, and 2023.1 features should help push it up to a new level. Or, not...
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ZywyPL
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So basically this is how fighting games should look like.
DeepEnigma
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TLZ
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Good post.(Also runs on Xbox Series X and PC, before we go too far...)
So, I think it's better to understand the pieces of this demo (which is the purpose, to showcase a number of Unity's different tech studios in one project) and why this demo is actually interesting from a developer's or designer's perspective (and hopefully gamers care too, but it is a tech demo, not a playable game.) There's a great breakdown of the team processes on the blog post.
https://blog.unity.com/technology/n...-in-action-and-the-future-of-weta-digital-for
Ziva Dynamics is probably the most exciting tech here, and the tech that's most relevant immediately to games you have played or will play: they did the ML muscles for the updated Spider-Man next-gen patch, and also were key to simulating the giant in the most recent Hellblade 2 demo. Ziva RT uses machine-learning systems to build moving humans and creatures trained for muscle definition and expression. It's used for full-body characters as well as faces and also clothing. This tech has been used a lot in movies and TV, and now is making its way into game development.
Speedtree, we all know, they're mostly known for trees of course, but they do all kinds of vegetation now. Their vegetation-growing system is in games all the time.
Wētā Digital's Wig is the groom system for hair (which IMO looks really great in realtime here). Wig is still new (AFAIK it's not been used in games until now?) but Weta is known for its movie effects quality, and the hair system is in particular cited in the blog post as "actually the fastest grooming tool that I’ve ever used," which is good for design and hopefully is good for games if it holds up in interactive (or at least realtime cinematic) use.
SyncSketch, that's not so much of interest to us gamers, it's just part of how they made it; this is a collaboration tool which "provides the ability for real-time production reviews and intuitive iteration."
And of course Unity Engine itself, which is showcased here in its next-gen 2023.1 Tech Stream iteration, with Unity's High Definition Render Pipeline (HDRP) system with their Global Illumination (GI) / Adaptive Probe Volumes (APV) lighting tech.
This is a demo for Unity Engine of course, but its also a look at its larger tech services (as well as tech that's being developed widely across game development and engine production studios, with Unity and Unreal leading the way in showing their work since they have tech to sell.) You already know games which use technology shown in this demo, and they're not even Unity Engine games. Whether it's a Unity Engine product or something else, the tech seen here is part of the ever-developing future.
Reallink
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They should. Fighting games in their heyday generally did have assets approaching a generation ahead of other genres. Compare Soul Calibur and DoA2 characters to action/platformer/shooter characters of the day, they were lightyears beyond them. As budgets ballooned and sales/popularity waned though they weren't given the resources to keep that going. Today most fighting games enjoy bargain bin budgets similar to too low end JRPG's like the Y's or Alterier series, of course they're not going to compete with $200+ million dollar AAA games. Nether Realms is really the only fighting studio attempting to push production values at all, the rest are just porting old PS360 models into Unreal Engine and touching them up a little (i.e. Tekken, Soul, DOA, Street Fighter).
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SirKicksalot
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Wig was first used to simulate Jack Black's underarm hair in that wretched Gulliver movie from 2010 
CamHostage
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BTW, if if this demo does nothing else for you, at least use it to get to know Ziva Dynamics.
Ziva have been doing amazing work in understanding natural aspects of how bodies and muscles and skin move on a body. Movie studios have used their tech for creatures lifelike and fantastical in pictures such as The Meg and A Dog's Way Home, and the bits of game implementation we've seen so far in Spider-Man Remastered PS5 and the upcoming Hellblade 2 are really interesting.
You may recognize Ziva already from their previous ZivaRT Face demos:
BTW, although there are probably some questions about what their future is now that they're owned by Unity, their tech is not locked into Unity. (And it's worth knowing, Unity tech itself is not necessarily locked into Unity Engine either; Insomniac is pretty much exclusively an in-house-engine studio, yet Insomnaic has used a Unity ArtEngine tool called Upres 2.0 for their projects. There are tools in the Unity development suite which might be of interest for different types of game designers. )
Ziva have been doing amazing work in understanding natural aspects of how bodies and muscles and skin move on a body. Movie studios have used their tech for creatures lifelike and fantastical in pictures such as The Meg and A Dog's Way Home, and the bits of game implementation we've seen so far in Spider-Man Remastered PS5 and the upcoming Hellblade 2 are really interesting.
You may recognize Ziva already from their previous ZivaRT Face demos:
BTW, although there are probably some questions about what their future is now that they're owned by Unity, their tech is not locked into Unity. (And it's worth knowing, Unity tech itself is not necessarily locked into Unity Engine either; Insomniac is pretty much exclusively an in-house-engine studio, yet Insomnaic has used a Unity ArtEngine tool called Upres 2.0 for their projects. There are tools in the Unity development suite which might be of interest for different types of game designers. )
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Arcadialane
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Can't wait to never play anything that looks like this
