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[LIVE] 2019 election races: Kentucky, Mississippi, and Virginia. Real-time results.

Afro Republican

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This is mostly BS.
Obama added $8.588 trillion,
You can post your left wing media spin all you want, but he added around $10 trillion to the debt.



Notice how the debt was originally going DOWN after he entered office and then once he started governing it shot upward quick..

In the end Trump will only add around 3 Trillion to the debt by the end of his first term, 3.5 at max. He's already producing spending cut plans that may make it lower. Unless he doubles Obama's spending in 2021-2022 and then keep it at normal Obama levels for 2023 and 2024, there's no possible way he can add the same amount of debt.
 

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You can post your left wing media spin all you want, but he added around $10 trillion to the debt.

why is everything "left wing media spin" to you? At what point will you realize you just don't understand what you are talking about, and you are labeling reality as "left wing media spin".

Even if we erroneously use Obama's inauguration through the end of his term as our measurement as you have, that's 9.3 trillion, not 10, which is a happy medium between the two figures we posted. So using your own data, you aren't any more right than I am, and at least my figure had a factual basis

However, Obama is not responsible for the fiscal year 2009 debt, as that budget was decided by the Bush admin and prior congress in 2008, before he was in office. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_United_States_federal_budget.
Even the god awful Cato institute has enough integrity to acknowledge this is the case
By the same token, Obama is responsible for the fiscal year 2017 debt, even though he was out of office while his budget was implemented
It is fair to credit Obama with the debt from emergency funding added to the 2009 budget by the Economic Stimulus Act passed in 2009 under his administration. That amount was included in the figure for Obama's debt I linked. It is also fair to note, however, that the only reason this act was passed was because the prior administration broke our economy. Which leads us to...

Notice how the debt was originally going DOWN after he entered office and then once he started governing it shot upward quick..
lol, no the debt was not going DOWN after he entered office. You're referencing statistical noise on day-by-day debt estimates which last three days. The debt has been going up solidly since 2000. But the fact you think a president could enact debt changing fiscal policy within three days is delightfully naive. Oh, to live in your world...

more importantly, were you in the United States in late 2008 and early 2009? Surely you noticed something going on with the economy around that time, yes? The reason debt starts shifting up in 2009 is not a mystery. We bought ourselves out of an economic crisis. The only mystery is why debt continues to rise now that we've recovered. Which leads us to...

In the end Trump will only add around 3 Trillion to the debt by the end of his first term, 3.5 at max. He's already producing spending cut plans that may make it lower. Unless he doubles Obama's spending in 2021-2022 and then keep it at normal Obama levels for 2023 and 2024, there's no possible way he can add the same amount of debt.
We can table this until Trump leave's office, we only have two years of his budgets so far. Just pointing out that Trump's initial record isn't looking any better than Obama's, and the public is seeing far fewer gains from his overspending

Anyway this is off topic, make a topic about Obama's debt if you need to hear more on this. But I do find it fun that you had no problem rushing to provide a link to actual data here, yet you still refuse to source the information from your 2020 projections. You were wrong here, and that's fine. It's how we learn. If you source the data you used form those polls, we can learn how you got those projections wrong as well :messenger_smiling_with_eyes:
 
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Afro Republican

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why is everything "left wing media spin" to you? At what point will you realize you just don't understand what you are talking about, and you are labeling reality as "left wing media spin".

It is fair to credit Obama with the debt from emergency funding added to the 2009 budget by the Economic Stimulus Act passed in 2009 under his administration.
You make long posts that usually aren't nothing more than fluff. Not to mention saying I made projections when the projections were not mine just makes you look foolish.

Sorry, but you're now debating against a government website proving you wrong, and your spin/semantics won't change that. The link clearly shows he added, as I said in the last post, around $10 trillion to the debt, not the spin number you posted before. You can clearly look at the numbers and see at what point it starts to skyrocket in 2009, and you even admit why it skyrocketed in your post. Bush had nothing to do with the huge jump since later in 2009.

If you do it for Trump he'll at MOST add 3.5 trillion to the debt by the end of his term. I will go with the detailed monthly analysis from the US government on this one than whatever left blog you post that wants to pretend Obama didn't add more debt than any other President in history before him.. A lot of it being due to his failed stimulus packages, bailouts, and Obama care. Not the 5 trillion number you got from some blog. It's ok Plunky. I'm sure you'll add more blogs thinking they somehow beat detailed government analysis from the actual government with another 50 paragraph post that doesn't rebuke the governments data. Or try to mention some other thread to desperately add credibility to your flawed argument. But it's clear you just don't get it.
 

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You make long posts that usually aren't nothing more than fluff. Not to mention saying I made projections when the projections were not mine just makes you look foolish.

Sorry, but you're now debating against a government website proving you wrong, and your spin/semantics won't change that. The link clearly shows he added, as I said in the last post, around $10 trillion to the debt, not the spin number you posted before. You can clearly look at the numbers and see at what point it starts to skyrocket in 2009, and you even admit why it skyrocketed in your post. Bush had nothing to do with the huge jump since later in 2009.
Obama did not set the fiscal year budget for 2009. How are you not understanding this?

Yes, Obama is responsible for debt "later in 2009". That's exactly how my source measured his debt. He set the budget for fiscal year 2010, which starts in October 2009. Obama is also responsible for passing the stimulus act in 2009. That is included in my figure
Your measurement does not start for "later in 2009". Your measurement starts from 1/20/2009

and saying Bush had nothing to do with Obama racking up debt in 2009 is laughable. Bush destroyed the economy. Obama would not have had to have passed the stimulus in 2009 if Bush hadn't fucked things up. Even so, I am counting everything Obama had to do to fix Bush's fuck up in my "Obama debt" calculation, because there's nothing wrong with running a deficit to stabilize the country and I'm glad he did it (though I wish he'd have done it in different ways)


If you do it for Trump he'll at MOST add 3.5 trillion to the debt by the end of his term. I will go with the detailed monthly analysis from the US government on this one than whatever left blog you post that wants to pretend Obama didn't add more debt than any other President in history before him.. A lot of it being due to his failed stimulus packages, bailouts, and Obama care. Not the 5 trillion number you got from some blog. It's ok Plunky. I'm sure you'll add more blogs thinking they somehow beat detailed government analysis from the actual government with another 50 paragraph post that doesn't rebuke the governments data. Or try to mention some other thread to desperately add credibility to your flawed argument. But it's clear you just don't get it.
I also sourced the Cato institute, what a novel "left blog" I've discovered
You did not post "detailed government analysis" of any sort. You posted data, ironically, the exact thing you need to post in the thread with your election projections. And there's nothing wrong with the data you posted. The issue is with how you are using it. You are crediting Obama for debt over the wrong 8 year period. I'm sure any government analysis would agree

Even if we use your "ignorant of the reality of how the budget works" method to calculate Trump's debt, he's at 3 trillion as of today, and he isn't even done with year three. So he's averaging about what Obama averages per year, even using your calculations. Not sure why you think he'll stop at 3.5, but it's not worth discussing as it hasn't happened yet

BTW fantastic selective quoting of my previous post.
Notice I leave the stupidity you post intact; I don't need to edit you to make you look wrong.

Good God you are the shill to end all shills
 
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There were irregularities, Bevin spoke of them in a video when he said he would not concede. Look at his speech from last night or the transcript. Even AP won't call it and it's been 9 hours since 12am.

Reports are saying things are looking up for Bevin atm, the walls are closing in on Beshar.
Lol, I wish I could live in my own reality.
 
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Like....does not one person go "Donald, wtf is the panda eye fake tan about? Get a proper tan."

Not like skin cancers a major issue to someone already pushing 73.
Why do you need a forced tan anyway? Just be you.
 

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Maybe the person's outer appearance does not match their inner self.
Or maybe Trump is just an insecure boy who likes to force his hands on women's pussies.

Ps: He said that about women. If you have an issue with it, talk to Trash himself.

Glad his supported candidates lost in KY and VA.
 
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Or maybe Trump is just an insecure boy who likes to force his hands on women's pussies.

Ps: He said that about women. If you have an issue with it, talk to Trash himself.

Glad his supported candidates lost in KY and VA.
What does this have to do with his tan?

You seem unable to even stick to the same insult for more than a few sentences.
 
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They reelected Northram after the whole blackface scandal and 4th term abortion 'make the baby comfortable while a decision is made' scandal.

They elect guys like the one above:

Here is further research I did on that gem...

Morrissey, 56, of Henrico County faces felony charges of indecent liberties with a minor, possession and distribution of child pornography, and electronic solicitation of a minor. He also is charged with a misdemeanor count of contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

"Frequent episodes of unethical, contumacious, or otherwise inappropriate conduct mar Joseph D. Morrissey's career as prosecutor and private defense attorney," the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit noted in September 2002. The court said, "Evidence … demonstrates Morrissey's 15-year history of contempt citations, reprimands, fines, suspensions, and even incarcerations arising from unprofessional conduct mostly involving an uncontrollable temper, inappropriate responses to stress and dishonesty."
In 1993, still as commonwealth attorney, Mr Morrissey was suspended from practising law for six months over a plea bargain in a felony rape case. He allowed a defendant to plead guilty to a misdemeanour after his father paid $25,000 to the victim and $25,000 to charities in a payment not disclosed to the court. He had rebuffed the victim's request for $100,000, saying the deal was non-negotiable.

He was a lecturer of Law at Portobello College in Ireland from 2001–02; taught in the law school at the Dublin Institute of Technology for two years (2001–03), and in Australia at the University of Adelaide and the University of Western Sydney in 2003 until he was fired for failing to disclose the fact he had been disbarred.
Morrissey married Myrna Pride on June 11, 2016 in Varina, Virginia. It is his first marriage but he has fathered a total of six children by four different women (including his current wife).[34] Morrissey initially denied paternity of his son, who was born in March 2015, to his then law office intern, Myrna Pride, who was 17 at the time of the internship.[35] On May 20, 2015, he confirmed paternity of the boy.[36]


What exactly does someone have to do to not get elected?
 

Afro Republican

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Virginia is broken.
Northern Virginia which is basically a minimized san franciso in some areas, will likely decide most elections that aren't municipal after 2020 if not before. They made it the NYC of VA, where only 10% of the states land mass decides 90% of the elections.

It used to be Hampton/Newport/Virginia Beach would cancel out NOVA but not anymore. Leesburg basically doesn't have a voice.

What exactly does someone have to do to not get elected?
Deport all refugees and illegals to another state, than force half of fairfax's population to move to different parts of VA. Remove the DC resident loophole that allows people not technically VA residents to vote in VA elections because of technicalities..

Or after a 2 day warning you could bomb half th- no no no. Not until after Trumps reelection. ;)
 
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