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Both sides fallacy. Cute.

There are actual research that shows far left and bernie supporters have significant higher rates of mental illness like bipolar, schizophrenia and such compared to normal not crazy people.

When it comes to violent and crazy. Why is it that normal democrats now are scared of bernie-fans and afraid of them turning to intimidation and violence?
I'd like to see some sources on that claim.

Sanders may do well but as he is really only attracting a fringe base of the communist part of the Democratic party, when he loses the nomination to a viable candidate, will you back that candidate or will you go out and riot and burn shit down with the others?
Only the communist members of party, huh? I have almost always voted conservative or libertarian and support Sanders.

If Sanders doesn't win, you bet I'll want to burn the whole party down. The shit happening with him in this primary is very reminiscent of Ron Paul 2012. I'll almost certainly vote Trump for 2020 if Sanders doesn't win the nomination.
 

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Sorry your friends are more likely than average people to be mentally ill. Well, instead of shouting and crying about it, maybe try to get them mental health treatment so they get well.
Per the source that is getting cited in Tim Poole's video. Also, come on man, Tim Poole is heavy right-wing now. I like him in small doses but I would never use him to back up anything.


Hello to all the new readers I’ve gotten from, uh, Paul Watson of Infowars. Before anything else, consider reading this statement by the CDC about vaccines.

Still here? Fine.

Infowars linked here with the headline Survey Finds People Who Identify As Left Wing More Likely To Have Been Diagnosed With A Mental Illness. This is accurate only insofar as the result uses the publicly available data I provide. The claim about mental illness was made by Twitter user Philippe Lemoine and not by me. In general, if a third party analyzes SSC survey data, I would prefer that media sources reporting on their analysis attribute it to them, and not to SSC.

As far as I can tell, Lemoine’s analysis is accurate enough, but needs some clarifications:

1. Both extreme rightists and extreme leftists are more likely than moderates to have been diagnosed with most conditions.

2. Leftists might be more likely to trust the psychiatric system and get diagnosed. My survey shows some signs of that. Liberals are 60% more likely than conservatives to have formal diagnoses of depression, but only 30% more likely to have a self-diagnosis of depression.

3. Leftists might be more likely to think of their issues through a psychiatric lens than rightists, meaning that even the self-diagnosis numbers might be inflated.

4. The SSC survey is a bad sample to use for this, not just because it’s unrepresentative, but because it might be unrepresentative of different political affiliations in different ways. For example, SSC Marxists really are surprisingly depressed, but maybe the only Marxists who would read an anti-Marxist blog are depressed Marxists looking for things to be miserable and angry about (though see below for some counterevidence).

5. A commenter on Lemoine’s tweet links to this blog post by someone who found the same thing in the General Social Survey. The General Social Survey is much larger and more rigorous than my survey, and there’s no reason to care what my survey has to say when there are GSS results available.

In general, if a survey analysis is posted on this blog, it’s mine. If not, then it isn’t mine and you should link to whoever performed it and let them clean up their own mess. Thanks – and seriously, vaccines are fine.
 
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Sorry your friends are more likely than average people to be mentally ill. Well, instead of shouting and crying about it, maybe try to get them mental health treatment so they get well.
They are trying to get them mental health treatment.... by implementing it through The State.

Per the source that is getting cited in Tim Poole's video. Also, come on man, Tim Poole is heavy right-wing now. I like him in small doses but I would never use him to back up anything.

lol

You're a bit late to the party, pal. This board has watched Tim Pool's "slowest redpill of all time" process since at least 2018. If you genuinely think he is "heavy right wing now" I wonder how long you've been watching him or if you picked that one-liner up somewhere else.
 

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They are trying to get them mental health treatment.... by implementing it through The State.


lol

You're a bit late to the party, pal. This board has watched Tim Pool's "slowest redpill of all time" process since at least 2018. If you genuinely think he is "heavy right wing now" I wonder how long you've been watching him or if you picked that one-liner up somewhere else.
His videos have been universally geared towards the right wing for quite some time now. He found his reliable audience and played to it because he's smart and benefits him.
 
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His videos have been universally geared towards the right wing for quite some time now. He found his reliable audience and played to it because he's smart and benefits him.
I don't put much stock into mind-reading, nor into claims that rely on unsubstantiated hyperbole like "universal".

If you have anything to back it up, please provide. Otherwise it looks like my hunch that you picked up your opinion somewhere else was entirely correct.
 

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I don't put much stock into mind-reading, nor into claims that rely on unsubstantiated hyperbole like "universal".

If you have anything to back it up, please provide. Otherwise it looks like my hunch that you picked up your opinion somewhere else was entirely correct.
This whole tangent has nothing to do with him using Tim Poole as a source, anyone who has taken a basic writing course would know the issue with that, but I'll humor you anyway.

Tim has been a regular in my YouTube watchlist for the last year. Along with other unmentionables such as Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro (who has become insufferable in his defense of Republicans over time).


 
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Because the 3 options are:
1. Youth vote is less
2. The same
3. More

I would think the answer would be more, because Sanders overall has more backing than in 2016, and the youth are heavily in favor of socialism. Add in the fact that theyve gone through a few years of a Trump presidency, and due to those things I would imagine higher turnout for youth than any other time in modern history.

I still think we will see it, but if so then why would we not have seen it in the first 2 states? I dont know but I'm certainly interested in super tuesday numbers (along with the next 2 states being on a Saturday, which could help with youth turn out).

Very basically im betting on record youth turnout and I'm miffed we apparently have good turn out so far...but not from the 18-29 crowd.

If that pattern holds it annoys me that a big reason im a Sanders supporter is because I want to see the country have a bright future...but if this same future really doesnt care enough to get out and vote, why the hell should I keep caring? I might be dead in 20 years, I personally dont care much who wins for myself. It will never make a big difference for myself.
It sounds like high youth turnout is what you want because you know that is your candidate's path to victory, not necessarily that there is or has been any indication toward that level of turnout being the case. I was just asking if you had any evidence toward/reason to believe that there would be higher youth turnout.

In my personal opinion, I think (D) turnout in general will probably be depressed at the general ballot box, as 30-40% of the Party is going to have very little reason to vote for any candidate that manages to make it. Progressives/Socialists/Communists will have no real desire to vote for Klobuchar, Bootygig, or Bloomberg. Progressive Zero (All the taste, none of the calories!) Warren looks to be flaming out. Moderates/Independents/the last gasp Reagan Dems have no real desire to vote for Sanders.

Only the communist members of party, huh? I have almost always voted conservative or libertarian and support Sanders.

If Sanders doesn't win, you bet I'll want to burn the whole party down. The shit happening with him in this primary is very reminiscent of Ron Paul 2012. I'll almost certainly vote Trump for 2020 if Sanders doesn't win the nomination.
Per the source that is getting cited in Tim Poole's video. Also, come on man, Tim Poole is heavy right-wing now. I like him in small doses but I would never use him to back up anything.
These 2 quotes back to back are kinda funny, though. You basically ARE Tim Pool, based on what you've said. :messenger_beermugs:

And I don't mean that as a negative. There are loads of people that would normally lean (D), but are sick of the bullshit within the Party, and are going to end up with a new political home, at least for a while.

You're a bit late to the party, pal. This board has watched Tim Pool's "slowest redpill of all time" process since at least 2018. If you genuinely think he is "heavy right wing now" I wonder how long you've been watching him or if you picked that one-liner up somewhere else.
Yeah, he's definitely not a right-winger. His audience is probably pretty heavily skewed toward conservatives and Bernie supporters at the moment, as there has been such a plethora of things to dunk on the establishment Dems with in the last few years.
 

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I found out I had cancer last year. It’s a rare type of blood disease and fortunately I have a job so I was able to have insurance and get all my testing done and start treatment.

But if I lose my job then I will lose my insurance. The problem is I make too much money to then qualify for an ACA subsidy, meaning I will be out of luck. I’ll have to start in on my savings but that’s not ideal.

For this reason I really like the idea of expanding Medicare. I’m almost 40 so rather than have to wait another 26 years, it would be nice to have that safety net earlier.

Honestly I don’t care how it is done. Raise taxes do a magic ritual whatever you can. Feel like so many people get bogged down in the details when those are probably the things we have the least influence over. I just want a move in that direction.
 
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This whole tangent has nothing to do with him using Tim Poole as a source, anyone who has taken a basic writing course would know the issue with that, but I'll humor you anyway.

Tim has been a regular in my YouTube watchlist for the last year. Along with other unmentionables such as Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro (who has become insufferable in his defense of Republicans over time).


So you've slummed it a bit. Good for you. You watched him half as long as the board, which is what I already mentioned. What makes him right-wing? I actually watched the "right wing Tim Pool" narrative appear out of thin air as he slowly started to call out the Democrats, so that is why I'm asking. It was on the heels of the #walkaway movement getting labeled as "Russian bots", so I am pretty skeptical of people calling others "heavy right wing" without substantiating it. His standpoints are solidly Left and have been for as long as I've watched him.

If you read his comments (generally not a good idea on YouTube, but bear with me) he is mocked by some of his viewers in every video for being too "centrist" and for standing up for Democrats. Go ahead and read what the conservatives in his comment section say about him and then come back to me with your list of Pool's right-wing talking points.

Yeah, he's definitely not a right-winger. His audience is probably pretty heavily skewed toward conservatives and Bernie supporters at the moment, as there has been such a plethora of things to dunk on the establishment Dems with in the last few years.
"If you don't parrot The Narrative, then you must be right wing" has unfortunately spread far and wide within the liberal political bloc.

If Christians were in charge they would be saying "you must not love Jesus if you vote that way". It's just as empty, just as condescending and baseless.
 

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If Christians were in charge they would be saying "you must not love Jesus if you vote that way". It's just as empty, just as condescending and baseless.
Can verify 100%, lol. I was scrapping with some people on Monday night at a Consistory meeting who were making that identical argument over which way our Church should vote in an upcoming vote within the Denomination. That argument, and the "I feel that God is calling me to pursue this" cop-out are my 2 biggest gripes with most "Church-folk".
 

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So you've slummed it a bit. Good for you. You watched him half as long as the board, which is what I already mentioned. What makes him right-wing? I actually watched the "right wing Tim Pool" narrative appear out of thin air as he slowly started to call out the Democrats, so that is why I'm asking. It was on the heels of the #walkaway movement getting labeled as "Russian bots", so I am pretty skeptical of people calling others "heavy right wing" without substantiating it. His standpoints are solidly Left and have been for as long as I've watched him.

If you read his comments (generally not a good idea on YouTube, but bear with me) he is mocked by some of his viewers in every video for being too "centrist" and for standing up for Democrats. Go ahead and read what the conservatives in his comment section say about him and then come back to me with your list of Pool's right-wing talking points.
Since this tangent is still pointless, yeah no thanks. I'll let you prove to me that he currently makes left-leaning content instead.
 

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Can verify 100%, lol. I was scrapping with some people on Monday night at a Consistory meeting who were making that identical argument over which way our Church should vote in an upcoming vote within the Denomination. That argument, and the "I feel that God is calling me to pursue this" cop-out are my 2 biggest gripes with most "Church-folk".
Yeah I saw this type of posturing a lot while growing up, but thankfully my parents were clever enough to wink and smirk and take me aside later to talk about things like that. They never, ever told us kids who they voted for. They taught us to be wary of gov't which I suppose used to be a more common American sentiment. They inoculated me against it.

Even though I am conservative and religious, I never supported the Republican party because I got to watch it front-row-seat during the Bush Jr / McCain / Romney years. Ron Paul was a necessary bludgeon to crack the party and sift out the chaff, though I don't necessarily think he would've been a good leader, either (quite analogous to Bernie Sanders but from the other side of the political spectrum, IMO).

Since this tangent is still pointless, yeah no thanks. I'll let you prove to me that he currently makes left-leaning content instead.
I'm not going to prove the opposite of your claims to prove your claims wrong. Anyone who has taken a basic logic course would know the issue with that, but I'll humor you anyway.

Tim is a Bernie Bro though and through. He was also very favorable toward Yang and toward Gabbard. That is not "heavy right wing". Unless he has changed his stance, he is still pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-welfare, pro-worker's rights, pro-journalism, anti-authoritarian, anti-corporate. I would not consider that to be indicative of someone who is "heavy right wing".

Or if your definition of "right wing" is skewed, that would explain it. Maybe today "truth leans right wing", to borrow a snide liberal quip from a few years ago, and you need to adjust your paradigm.
 
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Since this tangent is still pointless, yeah no thanks. I'll let you prove to me that he currently makes left-leaning content instead.
Why are you asking him to prove that Tim Pool makes left-leaning content when such a claim was never made?
 

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Why are you asking him to prove that Tim Pool makes left-leaning content when such a claim was never made?
Okay, centrist? Moderate? Anything to show that he isn't right wing these days? Take your pick. Again, the whole Tim Poole thing itself is irrelevant to anything.
 

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Yeah I saw this type of posturing a lot while growing up, but thankfully my parents were clever enough to wink and smirk and take me aside later to talk about things like that. They never, ever told us kids who they voted for. They taught us to be wary of gov't which I suppose used to be a more common American sentiment. They inoculated me against it.

Even though I am conservative and religious, I never supported the Republican party because I got to watch it front-row-seat during the Bush Jr / McCain / Romney years. Ron Paul was a necessary bludgeon to crack the party and sift out the chaff, though I don't necessarily think he would've been a good leader, either (quite analogous to Bernie Sanders but from the other side of the political spectrum, IMO).


I'm not going to prove the opposite of your claims to prove your claims wrong. Anyone who has taken a basic logic course would know the issue with that, but I'll humor you anyway.

Tim is a Bernie Bro though and through. He was also very favorable toward Yang and toward Gabbard. That is not "heavy right wing". Unless he has changed his stance, he is still pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-welfare, pro-worker's rights, pro-journalism, anti-authoritarian, anti-corporate. I would not consider that to be indicative of someone who is "heavy right wing".

Or if your definition of "right wing" is skewed, that would explain it. Maybe today "truth leans right wing", to borrow a snide liberal quip from a few years ago, and you need to adjust your paradigm.
I'm waiting for specific references to recent content showing that he still supports those ideas and discusses them. Blanket statements of his stated prior views aren't really cutting it.
 

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But if I lose my job then I will lose my insurance. The problem is I make too much money to then qualify for an ACA subsidy, meaning I will be out of luck. I’ll have to start in on my savings but that’s not ideal.
Uh, when you lose your job you have no relevant income so you qualify for ACA unless your state has additional laws that prevent you from doing it. In some states you can also collect unemployment at the same time,
 

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I'm waiting for specific references to recent content showing that he still supports those ideas and discusses them. Blanket statements of his stated prior views aren't really cutting it.
I'm waiting for specific references that he is heavy right wing and supports those ideas and discusses them. Why am I the only one putting in effort? Are you unable to back up your own points? Burden of proof is on you anyway, yet I think I've given enough in response to warrant some effort in kind.

He doesn't need to annually renew his Left-wing license every 6 months for it to remain valid, by the way. He originally gained notoriety because he was one of the handful of Left-wing YouTube personalities shining a spotlight on social media bias. Remember when that used to be a "Republican talking point" until it kept getting admitted over and over? Tim Pool was also one of the first to start acknowledging "fake news". Pool was one of the first to call out the craziness of Antifa instead of just dumbly clapping.

Anti-corporate, anti-authoritarian, anti-zealot and anti-mainstream media. That's Pool's foundation. It's not his fault that conservatives already arrived to those conclusions years earlier but does it make him right-wing-by-association?


Maybe "right wing" has gained a much broader, more inclusive definition in recent years, but the specific standpoints he believes in are definitely left wing.
 

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The burden of proof falls on the positive claimant. Anything to show that he is right wing these days?
It's an irrelevant tangent, I pointed out that Tim Poole is a questionable citation. Providing a citation through the filter of a YouTube personality in and of itself is unwise, regardless of their political affiliation.

I said Tim is basically a right-wing personality now, you want to disagree go ahead, but I don't feel compelled to provide examples of why. Still haven't seen anything to prove he isn't though. Edit: even the one video provided is an endless complaint of far leftists.
 
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It's an irrelevant tangent
Describes your assertions rather perfectly.

I pointed out that Tim Poole is a questionable citation. Providing a citation through the filter of a YouTube personality in and of itself is unwise, regardless of their political affiliation.

I said Tim is basically a right-wing personality now, you want to disagree go ahead, but I don't feel compelled to provide examples of why. Still haven't seen anything to prove he isn't though. Edit: even the one video provided is an endless complaint of far leftists.
Then one who asserts without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. In addition, your argument that he's a questionable citation because he's "basically right-wing" (of which you've provided no absolute proof) is an ad hominem fallacy.

So telling us to provide proof to disprove your Proof by Assertion ad hominem fallacy combo is incredibly hypocritical.
 
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Then one who asserts without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. In addition, your argument that he's a questionable citation because he's "basically right-wing" (of which you've provided no absolute proof) is an ad hominem fallacy.

So telling us to provide proof to disprove your Proof by Assertion ad hominem fallacy combo is incredibly hypocritical.
I am telling you all to provide proof because I don't care enough about proving Tim is right-wing, this is your hill that you want to die on, I don't give a shit either way what your interpretation of Tim's stances are compared to mine, all I did was call into question him using a source and then provided proof of the issue of using Tim as a citation in the same post (edit: rather, proof in the form of providing additional context of the findings from the original source, rather than through the filter of a YouTuber).
 
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I am telling you all to provide proof because I don't care enough about proving Tim is right-wing, this is your hill that you want to die on, I don't give a shit either way what your interpretation of Tim's stances are compared to mine, all I did was call into question him using a source and then provided proof of the issue of using Tim as a citation in the same post (edit: rather, proof in the form of providing additional context of the findings from the original source, rather than through the filter of a YouTuber).
The burden of proof falls on the positive claimant. I have made no such claims one way or another. Therefore, the burden of proof does not fall on me. However, you put your hat in the ring when you claimed that Tim Pool is "basically a right-wing personality". It is up to you to provide evidence, not me.

What right-wing views do Tim Pool support that makes him a right-wing personality? Point me to those positions and explain how those positions are right-wing.
 

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The burden of proof falls on the positive claimant. I have made no such claims one way or another. Therefore, the burden of proof does not fall on me. However, you put your hat in the ring when you claimed that Tim Pool is "basically a right-wing personality". It is up to you to provide evidence, not me.

What right-wing views do Tim Pool support that makes him a right-wing personality? Point me to those positions and explain how those positions are right-wing.
Which of the following video titles don't have a right-wing slant (that aren't otherwise unrelated to politics)?

 
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ThePiddle ThePiddle is following the extremely worn-out trope that we have already seen on GAF's politics boards:

1. Make a claim
2. Go in circles refusing to back up claim
3. Reply to thought-out challenges with shorter and vaguer responses, until your paragraphs of thought-out conversation only receives 1 or 2 sentences in reply.

Not worth giving a troll more of your attention. They have nothing of substance to add.
 
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Which of the following video titles don't have a right-wing slant (that aren't otherwise unrelated to politics)?
You said "right-wing personality". Now you're saying "right-wing slant" and have not bothered to describe what that really means. Pick one and stick with it. Otherwise, that is moving the goalposts.
 

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Which of the following video titles don't have a right-wing slant (that aren't otherwise unrelated to politics)?

None of them. They are just rephrasing the article he is sourcing from.

Dun said it earlier, but this "Time Pool is right wing " argument started as soon as he started criticizing certain narratives
 
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ThePiddle ThePiddle is following the extremely worn-out trope that we have already seen on GAF's politics boards:

1. Make a claim
2. Go in circles refusing to back up claim
3. Reply to thought-out challenges with shorter and vaguer responses, until your paragraphs of thought-out conversation only receives 1 or 2 sentences in reply.

Not worth giving a troll more of your attention. They have nothing of substance to add.
Because it's a largely irrelevant point what Tim's political affiliations are and instead distracts from the original discussion. In this whole thing you've done an excellent job of trolling through mimicry (which was a nice touch) and focusing on something unrelated to the issue of using a YouTube personality as a source. You don't make a strong point by providing a source through the filter of a YouTuber, especially when the original source is only a couple clicks away.

You said "right-wing personality". Now you're saying "right-wing slant" and have not bothered to describe what that really means. Pick one and stick with it. Otherwise, that is moving the goalposts.
Explain to me how, when nearly all of those titles have a right-leaning focus, that means he is not a right-wing personality?

Show me the last video in which he blasts the Republican party please.
 
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Explain to me how, when nearly all of those titles have a right-leaning focus, that means he is not a right-wing personality?

Show me the last video in which he blasts the Republican party please.
You said "right-wing personality". Now you're saying "right-wing slant" and have not bothered to describe what that really means. Pick one and stick with it. Otherwise, that is moving the goalposts.
Try again.
 

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How about because every title is worded to point out an issue with leftists or democrats. When basically every video title is negative towards only one party, you're basically on the opposite end.

We've got the following notable blurbs:
  • Trump is LAUGHING at this incoherent field
  • Democrats have begun the call for a SECOND impeachment of Trump because they don't learn
  • Ocasio Cortez heading towards LOSING
  • Democrats are depressed as primaries devolve into chaos
  • Far left FURIOUS as feminists defect to join conservatives over trans issues
  • Pelosi ROYALLY messed up by tearing Trump's speech
  • Survey shows leftists are more likely to have mental illnesses, far left being the WORST (lol we talked about this one)
  • Democrats BOO each other
  • The Democratic Party is in shambles, that's it I'm totally done
  • New progressive law in California is BACKFIRING

And on and on and on and on and on and on.

Yeah, fuck the democratic party and all, but there's nothing here that is blasting Trump, Republicans, or anything conservative leaning.
 
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How about because every title is worded to point out an issue with leftists or democrats. When basically every video title is negative towards only one party, you're basically on the opposite end.

We've got the following notable blurbs:
  • Trump is LAUGHING at this incoherent field
  • Democrats have begun the call for a SECOND impeachment of Trump because they don't learn
  • Ocasio Cortez heading towards LOSING
  • Democrats are depressed as primaries devolve into chaos
  • Far left FURIOUS as feminists defect to join conservatives over trans issues
  • Pelosi ROYALLY messed up by tearing Trump's speech
  • Survey shows leftists are more likely to have mental illnesses, far left being the WORST (lol we talked about this one)
  • Democrats BOO each other
  • The Democratic Party is in shambles, that's it I'm totally done
  • New progressive law in California is BACKFIRING

And on and on and on and on and on and on.
Non sequitur fallacy. Being critical of the left does not mean the critic is right-leaning.

Yeah, fuck the democratic party and all, but there's nothing here that is blasting Trump, Republicans, or anything conservative leaning.
That's a bold faced lie. Let's just use 11 video headlines and extrapolate that over hundreds of his videos to determine whether he's a "right-wing personality". Oh, and watching the videos are 100% optional. Clearly, what we see in the headline is representative of the actual content.
 

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Because it's a largely irrelevant point what Tim's political affiliations are and instead distracts from the original discussion.
Which begs the question: why were you the one to bring it up? Aren't you just admitting you're the one who has been distracting from the original discussion?

Oops, troll caught trying to derail with faulty, grade-school logic. Come back to the big-kids' table when you learn how to support your argument instead of petulantly taking a thread off track.
 

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How about because every title is worded to point out an issue with leftists or democrats. When basically every video title is negative towards only one party, you're basically on the opposite end.

We've got the following notable blurbs:
  • Trump is LAUGHING at this incoherent field
  • Democrats have begun the call for a SECOND impeachment of Trump because they don't learn
  • Ocasio Cortez heading towards LOSING
  • Democrats are depressed as primaries devolve into chaos
  • Far left FURIOUS as feminists defect to join conservatives over trans issues
  • Pelosi ROYALLY messed up by tearing Trump's speech
  • Survey shows leftists are more likely to have mental illnesses, far left being the WORST (lol we talked about this one)
  • Democrats BOO each other
  • The Democratic Party is in shambles, that's it I'm totally done
  • New progressive law in California is BACKFIRING

And on and on and on and on and on and on.

Yeah, fuck the democratic party and all, but there's nothing here that is blasting Trump, Republicans, or anything conservative leaning.
Nothing you said is "Right leaning". All of those things are happening.

Dems are fighting each other.
Dems are calling for a second impeachment
Pelosi SOTU stunt backfired.
LGBT and TERFs are fighting.
AOC is being primary challenged and has half a dozen Republicans gunning for her district

Would you prefer he lie. Would that make him left wing?
 

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Non sequitur fallacy. Being critical of the left does not mean the critic is right-leaning.


That's a bold faced lie. Let's just use 11 video headlines and extrapolate that over hundreds of his videos to determine whether he's a "right-wing personality". Oh, and watching the videos are 100% optional. Clearly, what we see in the headline is representative of the actual content.
Just because he isn't right-leaning doesn't mean he isn't a right-wing personality. His content is geared in a certain direction.

I said he is universally right-wing NOW. I took a relatively solid sampling from just the past couple weeks of videos. Please show me recent content of his that runs counter to that sampling.

Which begs the question: why were you the one to bring it up? Aren't you just admitting you're the one who has been distracting from the original discussion?

Oops, troll caught trying to derail with faulty, grade-school logic. Come back to the big-kids' table when you learn how to support your argument instead of petulantly taking a thread off track.
Which also begs the question: why didn't you instead discuss the actual content of my original post? Why did you selectively pick one part, Tim Pool being right-wing, to focus on?

Wait, didn't you just say that there was no point engaging with the troll anymore? Why are you still here?
 

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Which also begs the question: why didn't you instead discuss the actual content of my original post? Why did you selectively pick one part, Tim Pool being right-wing, to focus on?
Because I was curious how you came to that conclusion since it was your reason for dismissing the video out of hand.

Y'know.

Conversation.

You appear to be at your limits, though, so I'll leave you be.
 
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Just because he isn't right-leaning doesn't mean he isn't a right-wing personality. His content is geared in a certain direction.
Another non sequitur fallacy. Right-wing personality means that his personality is right wing. If his personality is right wing, then he would be right-leaning.

Covering news that does not put Democrats in a positive light more often than news that does not put Republicans in a positive light does not mean he's a right-wing personality nor does that prove slant. I told you twice to define what "right-wing slant" is and you never did. Now, I'm going to do that legwork for you:

Slant is when you’re told only part of the story, with cherry-picked information that supports a particular viewpoint. This makes the news unbalanced, and keeps our understanding limited and narrow.

Is Tim deliberately leaving out critical details in his videos? If so, what details did he omit?
Is Tim cherry picking information? If so, what information is he cherry picking?
Is Tim supporting a particular viewpoint? If so, what specific viewpoint is that? Is that viewpoint actually right-wing?

I said he is universally right-wing NOW. I took a relatively solid sampling from just the past couple weeks of videos. Please show me recent content of his that runs counter to that sampling.
11 videos are not a solid sampling when he has two channels and each channel has several dozens of videos. Your "equality of outcome" argument is petty and overall, logically piss poor. How about you go to the DNC and tell them to stop being so stupid? Oh right, you're only concerned about the outcomes and not so much the source of the problem.

And the fact that you don't actually watch the videos to see what the content is like for yourself also speaks volumes about your laziness. You make a claim where it's on you to support. However, you never actually did the legwork to investigate and have the gall to tell others to do the legwork for you.
 

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You're a bit late to the party, pal. This board has watched Tim Pool's "slowest redpill of all time" process since at least 2018. If you genuinely think he is "heavy right wing now" I wonder how long you've been watching him or if you picked that one-liner up somewhere else.
Shouldn't this be about the content of the reaction of slate star codex, instead of the part where he says someone is right wing?
 

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I don't care one bit about this conversation concerning Tim "milquetoast" Pool, but to even suggest he leans right is just wrong. He reminds me of me at times, a Democrat(former for me. I've given up the ghost on that)that has no party, no home, and what has become of the Democrats is akin to insanity. Him pointing it out does not make him right wing and to even suggest that bares ones bias to the world.

This isn't even a discussion here. It just is how it is.
 

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Shouldn't this be about the content of the reaction of slate star codex, instead of the part where he says someone is right wing?
What's your opinion on it, or were you just interested in mine in particular?

Since the article adds some minor clarification but does not make any major refutations of the claims, I didn't find much interest in discussing it further. The part I found worth discussing is the part that I quoted.
 

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Another non sequitur fallacy. Right-wing personality means that his personality is right wing. If his personality is right wing, then he would be right-leaning.
That's not at all what that means, a personality in entertainment is not the same as the personality of a person. LMAO you realize words can have multiple meanings right?

Covering news that does not put Democrats in a positive light more often than news that does not put Republicans in a positive light does not mean he's a right-wing personality nor does that prove slant. I told you twice to define what "right-wing slant" is and you never did. Now, I'm going to do that legwork for you:
Slant in media is designed to tailor the content for the audience consuming it. If the vast majority of content is negative to a certain side of the political spectrum, pretty safe to say that content is not designed for that audience. Would you prefer I used "anti-democrat" slant instead, since we're arguing definitions at this point?

Slant is when you’re told only part of the story, with cherry-picked information that supports a particular viewpoint. This makes the news unbalanced, and keeps our understanding limited and narrow.
No, slant is for the audience consuming it. You're just listing methods to achieve it.

Is Tim deliberately leaving out critical details in his videos? If so, what details did he omit?
Is Tim cherry picking information? If so, what information is he cherry picking?
Is Tim supporting a particular viewpoint? If so, what specific viewpoint is that? Is that viewpoint actually right-wing?
I mean, see above.

11 videos are not a solid sampling when he has two channels and each channel has several dozens of videos. Your "equality of outcome" argument is petty and overall, logically piss poor. How about you go to the DNC and tell them to stop being so stupid? Oh right, you're only concerned about the outcomes and not so much the source of the problem.
I said it is a relatively solid sampling over a couple weeks of videos, and I only said he is universally right-wing now (in other words: recently). It is an unreasonable expectation to demand a significant time investment beyond that, and a cheap escape to avoid any burden of proof from yourself. I asked for one example in recent history compared to 11 in recent history, quite a reasonable counter-request. Not sure what you're going on about with equality of outcome. "I want proof!" followed by "that's not enough!" after nearly a dozen examples? Childish man, you can do better.

And the fact that you don't actually watch the videos to see what the content is like for yourself also speaks volumes about your laziness. You make a claim where it's on you to support. However, you never actually did the legwork to investigate and have the gall to tell others to do the legwork for you.
As I've already shown, his videos have been a semi-regular part of my YouTube feed for nearly a year. I'm already quite familiar with his content, and have more important things to do like argue on an internet message board that prevent me from being an expert on his content.
 

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Just because he isn't right-leaning doesn't mean he isn't a right-wing personality. His content is geared in a certain direction.
I think the fundamental problem with this Tim Pool discussion is that there's some truth in what you're saying (he doesn't do a good job catering to a left-wing audience, headlines are aimed at Trump supporters), but it's buried by the words you chose to use (he's heavily right-wing). It's a point of contention because, from what I've seen, there are a lot of people in a similar position to Tim here on NeoGAF - that is, Democrats, liberals or independents that the party has pushed aside since 2016.

He's shining a light on their problems because the mainstream media usually doesn't. The Dems have been in denial about a long list of problems ever since 2016. They've been great at denial, anger and depression, but never quite reached acceptance. Hell, they're repeating the same mistake of the 2016 primaries by trying to screw Bernie. How'd that work out for them last time?


It could wind up being even uglier this time around.
 
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What's your opinion on it, or were you just interested in mine in particular?

Since the article adds some minor clarification but does not make any major refutations of the claims, I didn't find much interest in discussing it further. The part I found worth discussing is the part that I quoted.
I think that you have mental issues all over the political spectrum and that it's ridiculous to think one is more crazy then the other. That's just something you say to mask your own insecurities about personal preference.

And yeah I understand why you quoted that part, you seem to get triggered when a person calls someone else right wing. As if you know the guy personally and need to defend him. Thought it was weird and that it had nothing to do with the actual discussion.
 

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I think that you have mental issues all over the political spectrum and that it's ridiculous to think one is more crazy then the other. That's just something you say to mask your own insecurities about personal preference.

And yeah I understand why you quoted that part, you seem to get triggered when a person calls someone else right wing. As if you know the guy personally and need to defend him. Thought it was weird and that it had nothing to do with the actual discussion.
Ah, so you weren't interested in my opinion, this was just a narcissist trying to dip his straw into the drink.

Any other insights into my private thoughts that you wish to add? I don't see a reason for me to turn down free psychotherapy, so have at it.
 

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I think the fundamental problem with this Tim Pool discussion is that there's some truth in what you're saying (he doesn't do a good job catering to a left-wing audience, headlines are aimed at Trump supporters), but it's buried by the words you chose to use (he's heavily right-wing). It's a point of contention because, from what I've seen, there are a lot of people in a similar position to Tim here on NeoGAF - that is, Democrats, liberals or independents that the party has pushed aside since 2016.

He's shining a light on their problems because the mainstream media usually doesn't. The Dems have been in denial about a long list of problems ever since 2016. They've been great at denial, anger and depression, but never quite reached acceptance. Hell, they're repeating the same mistake of the 2016 primaries by trying to screw Bernie. How'd that work out for them last time?


It could wind up being even uglier this time around.
Thing is, I consider Tim right-wing because I know I'm generally right-wing, unless you're talking abortion issues, and I almost always agree with Tim. The only time I voted left (Obama) was because I thought, "fuck it, maybe all the words coming out of his mouth are true and he'll be great. Probably not true, but worth a shot."

I already admitted that I listen to JP and Shapiro too, why else would I be here instead of REE.

Edit: for anyone wondering how a Bernie supporter could ever consider themselves right-wing, I think laws have unfairly hurt union power and I think M4A is fiscally responsible as it will cost Americans less, other issues are not as important to me and I think he would best accomplish them. I have faith in the separation of powers on preventing him from going overboard.
 
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Ah, so you weren't interested in my opinion, this was just a narcissist trying to dip his straw into the drink.

Any other insights into my private thoughts that you wish to add? I don't see a reason for me to turn down free psychotherapy, so have at it.
Why do you think I wasn't interested in your opinion? Always on the attack... I clearly said that I found it weird you didn't respond to the actual content, which is why I quoted you in the first place. But it doesn't matter that much, we're derailing the topic.
 
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That's not at all what that means, a personality in entertainment is not the same as the personality of a person. LMAO you realize words can have multiple meanings right?
LMAO, you realize that even with your definition, your claim falls flat right? If Tim is entertaining, then how do you know that he's specifically entertaining right-wingers?

Slant in media is designed to tailor the content for the audience consuming it. If the vast majority of content is negative to a certain side of the political spectrum, pretty safe to say that content is not designed for that audience.
Slant according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary:

transitive verb
(2) to interpret or present in line with a special interest
Note that interpreting and presenting cannot be applied to audiences. You can interpret and present news/information. You cannot interpret or present audiences. You can interpret or present to audiences.

In addition, you haven't shown proof of this special right-wing interest that you love to keep repeating ad nauseam (yet another fallacy you like to use).

Just because the outcome isn't something you like, that doesn't mean the intention is what you think it is. If Democrats keep making fools of themselves while Republicans are not, then there will naturally be more news about Democrats making fools out of themselves. That has nothing to do with slant.

Would you prefer I used "anti-democrat" slant instead, since we're arguing definitions at this point
You're arguing definitions. I am not because I know mine are correct and have been applied correctly. However, you have 0% comprehension, so I had to do some legwork for you since you're so lazy.

You go with what you prefer. I'm going to go with what I observe (and observe past surface level).

No, slant is for the audience consuming it. You're just listing methods to achieve it.
Not according to the actual definition. The definition involves special interest, not audiences. Special interests can involve audiences, but not exclusively for audiences. But then, you need to prove that Tim is particularly appealing to right-wingers and that requires actually analyzing the political leanings of his audience.

So do you have proof of Tim Pool's audience's political leanings being predominantly right wing?

I mean, see above.
Not an answer. Try again.

I said it is a relatively solid sampling over a couple weeks of videos
Ad nauseam fallacy. That's not a relatively solid sampling. 11 videos are not representative of his entire 2 channels.

and I only said he is universally right-wing now (in other words: recently).
And which party keeps making fools out of themselves recently? The Democratic Party with the Iowa caucus debacle, the failed impeachment, that some Democrats wanting to go for a 2nd impeachment, etc. If Republicans aren't doing anything that lol-worthy, then there's nothing Tim can do about it.

Recently is also an arbitrary time period. I don't care about what's going on recently because things are volatile especially in politics. It has been recently rainy where I live, but that doesn't make where I live a rainy place. Same thing applies to this situation. You can argue that Tim has been "recently" a "right-wing personality" all you want (of which you have provided no proof of any political slant), but that says nothing about his general work.

If he were to make stuff up in attempts to make Democrats look bad, then that is what I would call slant. If there was actual bad news about Republicans and he did not report on it, then that is also slant. You have given absolutely no evidence that meets those two criteria.

It is an unreasonable expectation to demand a significant time investment beyond that, and a cheap escape to avoid any burden of proof from yourself. I asked for one example in recent history compared to 11 in recent history, quite a reasonable counter-request.
The burden of proof falls on you. It's your own damn fault that you cannot fulfill that burden. You want to make a case, then put in the legwork to back it up. Stop demanding others to do the work for you, especially when they only expressed skepticism and not actually made a contradicting claim.

Not sure what you're going on about with equality of outcome. "I want proof!" followed by "that's not enough!" after nearly a dozen examples?
You're whining about how Tim criticizes Democrats more than he criticizes Republicans so therefore, he is a "right-wing personality". This is the same line of reasoning as the left arguing that because there are less female CEOs than male CEOs, that means the business structure is sexist or that because minorities are underrepresented in movies, therefore the movie industry is racist. That is where the "equality of outcome" comment came from because you based your conclusions of Tim's intent solely from the outcome rather than from the actual content of his videos.

Childish man, you can do better.
Stop projecting and grow up. The childish one is the one who is demanding the non-claimants to find the evidence for you.

As I've already shown, his videos have been a semi-regular part of my YouTube feed for nearly a year. I'm already quite familiar with his content, and have more important things to do like argue on an internet message board that prevent me from being an expert on his content.
So? His videos have also been a regular part of my YouTube feed for a while. I'm also quite familiar with his content. Congrats on making a useless Appeal to Authority fallacy (on top of your ad nauseams, Proof by Assertions, ad hominems, and non sequiturs).

Cite the particular things he have said. Give me a video and give me timestamps. Then, you will actually have something of substance as opposed to the fallacious garbage you are overly reliant on.
 
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I don't know who this Tim Pool is but I think this is nothing more than a circular argument with a stubborn person at this point.