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Have you offered any of your own?

There's not much to go on right now.

fep is providing some ample evidence of some shenanigans on their end with just pot shotting and what not

You're safe for now because of however you explained your situations but I'm still keeping an eye out on you

I'm staring daggers at crimsonfist and sophia
 

Muffin1611

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I'm staring daggers at crimsonfist and sophia

CrimsonFist and Sophia are pretty engaging and consistent so far at least. Nothing I'd consider for a first day lynch.

Of course since Crimson was trying to lead the conversation a bit that will give us more reads on the days after this one instead.
 

Orb

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I'm still pretty firm that neither Dragonz or Kit are scum.

I'm also reluctant to consider the ones not posting often, but a few do seem fishily quiet like Star/Fish
 

Sophia

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I'm staring daggers at crimsonfist and sophia

Those must be some flimsy daggers of paper then. But hey, if you think you're going to throw shade at GAFia's biggest bitch and get away with it, then let me prove you wrong. Lets take a look at everything you've posted so far.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245123610&postcount=96 - Shitpost
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245129247&postcount=147 - Effectively a shit post because it was like an hour and a half after the start of the game. Also, maybe instead of posting that you should try and find reads because there were posts by then.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245136108&postcount=206 - Advocating a no lynch. I'll excuse you because it's your second (first proper) game here, but honestly why not ask your partner about this first? Natiko's a very competent player.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245136798&postcount=213 - Still have no reads an hour later
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245137254&postcount=222 - Yet more shitposting
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245138301&postcount=236 - Mind clarifying what you meant by this?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245138418&postcount=238 - Asking for your partner in public (who shows up two minutes later)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245138700&postcount=241 - I'm not sure what you were trying to say here. You knew Natiko was gonna be late but forgot...?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245139054&postcount=248 - More shitposting
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245139318&postcount=253 - More shitposting
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245139393&postcount=254 - Somehow you forgot about your lovers chat. Okay, I can believe that.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245140365&postcount=262 - Acknowledgement that you aren't checking it much.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245142921&postcount=280 - Agreeing with Fat. Nothing particularly noteworthy here. It's an easy way to stay active while not actually saying that much.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245143221&postcount=283 - I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. But hopefully by the end of this post you know how I read you.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245144247&postcount=287 - Why do you agree with him on Ty? Are you incapable of answering your own question?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245145042&postcount=290 - Okay, so you're keeping an eye on Ty and my partner, but why? Maybe try explaining yourself here? Or justifying it?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245145540&postcount=295 - Shitposting in response to someone's shitposting is still shitposting.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245145846&postcount=301 - More shitposting
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245182581&postcount=436 - You don't really justify this read here, and it's inconsistent with who you said you were keeping an eye on earlier.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245195658&postcount=464 - I dunno what Xbro has to defend himself against here. More shitposting?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245209239&postcount=487 - Xbro made one post and you shrugged it off? No questions for him on anything? You just agree with all of it? Seems rather weak.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245209677&postcount=488 - Royal's barely here, so I'm not sure what this prod vote is about.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=245223159&postcount=499 - Why should FEP give you his reads when you're barely providing anything as is?

Those are all of your posts in this thread up to the one I just quoted. There's a whole lot of throwing shade and shitposting and not much else. Very little in the way of reads, what few reads there are are easy pickings, and very little in the way of engaging other players. What exactly are you trying to do here? What are you going to provide to town reads-wise that might actually convince us that you're not scum?
 

Natiko

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I think your points are very narrow minded in this instance Sophia. Royal not his partner have made any good contribution. Royal is usually a low post count player but when he does post he shares good insight. Would you say that's the case this game? FEP has done nothing of use either. He's thrown shade and ghosted outside of one post I think. His partner may have a lot of posts but they were almost all overly defensive and ultimately culminated in a defensive vote as well. As for you and Crim I'm of a mind to wait. You're strong players so I don't find your situation as being some of the loudest town voices very alignment indicative thus far so I'd go with null.
 
Now, while I'm here, can I just make an observation based on personal experience?

If you're shopping a No Lynch option on Day 1, you probably have some kind of manipulative intent up your sleeve.

and,



They did not coordinate it well.

Hmm
Are you serious? Have we been playing different games for the last 3 or so years? I can't remember a single time where a D1 "No Lynch" proposal had any malicious intention behind. Usually it's some newbies who quickly have the whole thread against them. How exactly is this helping their agenda?

Also, "they didn't coordinate well"? I don't know what you and XBro are doing in there, but I can tell you that I would be very surprised if anyone cleared every proposal they make with their partner.

5. [m] TsuXna & [m] Royal_Flush - Is TsuXna even playing? I don't see any posts from them. Royal has two posts, but they're atypical of his style (usually longer posts) and one of them is about the vote tool anyhow. Royal worries me because he's one of my personal blind spots.
That depends on how much effort I decide to put into the game. You can read my most recent games (Arkham Asylum and Danganrompa 3) and will find a mix of more elaborate posts and immediate reactions. As for TsuXna: Don't ask me. He made one post in our chat before the game started and since then apparently is in Blackout mode.

I'm also reluctant to consider the ones not posting often, but a few do seem fishily quiet like Star/Fish
Don't be. Coasters you let slip through win games for Scum. Just remember that a low post count often related to but not synonymous for coasting.
 

Sophia

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I think your points are very narrow minded in this instance Sophia. Royal not his partner have made any good contribution. Royal is usually a low post count player but when he does post he shares good insight. Would you say that's the case this game? FEP has done nothing of use either. He's thrown shade and ghosted outside of one post I think. His partner may have a lot of posts but they were almost all overly defensive and ultimately culminated in a defensive vote as well. As for you and Crim I'm of a mind to wait. You're strong players so I don't find your situation as being some of the loudest town voices very alignment indicative thus far so I'd go with null.

In the case of Royal, he's only made two posts since the game has started. One of which wasn't game related, and the other had only a single read on Verelios to go off of. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as this is a longer than average day phase, but I'd like to hear more from him. As I said, he's a personal blind spot for me, after GAFia 2.5.

As for FEP, I uh.. think we're in agreement there? :p
 

Karkador

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Are you serious? Have we been playing different games for the last 3 or so years? I can't remember a single time where a D1 "No Lynch" proposal had any malicious intention behind. Usually it's some newbies who quickly have the whole thread against them. How exactly is this helping their agenda?

I didn't say "malicious", I said "manipulative", as in they are trying to push buttons.
You're really gonna let it go without asking questions?
 

Natiko

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In the case of Royal, he's only made two posts since the game has started. One of which wasn't game related, and the other had only a single read on Verelios to go off of. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as this is a longer than average day phase, but I'd like to hear more from him. As I said, he's a personal blind spot for me, after GAFia 2.5.

As for FEP, I uh.. think we're in agreement there? :p
Well you did take my partner to task over pushing on those two by saying nomad hasn't contributed a ton themselves, but it took out the context of me also pushing in those areas. I'd like to think I've at least made myself known at this point.
 

Sophia

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Well you did take my partner to task over pushing on those two by saying nomad hasn't contributed a ton themselves, but it took out the context of me also pushing in those areas. I'd like to think I've at least made myself known at this point.

I'm crabby right now, and he was annoying me with his throwing shade and not actually backing it up with anything. I'm aware, however, I've done it too once or twice this game. >_>;

I have noticed you tho. I need to re-read over your posts (which I'm gonna get on now), but I can't think of anything immediately that makes me feel negative about you, so there's that.
 

CrimsonFist

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I didn't say "malicious", I said "manipulative", as in they are trying to push buttons.
You're really gonna let it go without asking questions?

I would say it depends on the player, if they're a newer player then it's more likely to be an honest push.

I'm still pretty firm that neither Dragonz or Kit are scum.

I'm also reluctant to consider the ones not posting often, but a few do seem fishily quiet like Star/Fish

What do you think of Verelios and Pandas?

And going for inactives can be a shot in the dark, but why reluctant to consider them?
 

Fat4all

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I didn't say "malicious", I said "manipulative", as in they are trying to push buttons.
You're really gonna let it go without asking questions?

Honestly, it seems like something that would've been worth worrying about more if they pushed harder for the 'No Lynch' vote, but at this point it seems pretty much dropped as an idea for today. Nomad hasn't exactly been championing it or anything.

Someone bringing up the idea of a 'No Lynch' on day one seems pretty common. It's how far that person is willing to go with that stance that usually irks people.

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On a separate note, I'm back in the game fully for the next 5(+?) hours or so before I gotta get back to work, so if anyone has questions to throw my way, I'll be around.
 
I think your points are very narrow minded in this instance Sophia. Royal not his partner have made any good contribution. Royal is usually a low post count player but when he does post he shares good insight. Would you say that's the case this game? FEP has done nothing of use either. He's thrown shade and ghosted outside of one post I think. His partner may have a lot of posts but they were almost all overly defensive and ultimately culminated in a defensive vote as well. As for you and Crim I'm of a mind to wait. You're strong players so I don't find your situation as being some of the loudest town voices very alignment indicative thus far so I'd go with null.
Dafuq is this post? Whataboutism of the highest order followed by a "To my credit, but I wont OMGUS you"... Your partner is posting an awful lot of nothings. Me, my partner, FEP or anyone else have nothing to do with this. Don't try to normalize his behavior.

In the case of Royal, he's only made two posts since the game has started. One of which wasn't game related, and the other had only a single read on Verelios to go off of. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt as this is a longer than average day phase, but I'd like to hear more from him. As I said, he's a personal blind spot for me, after GAFia 2.5.
That trauma never ends, does it? Here, have a banana:

I didn't say "malicious", I said "manipulative", as in they are trying to push buttons.
You're really gonna let it go without asking questions?
As in "trying to bait Scum"?

And yes, if it comes from a newbie and somebody else already got in their face for it (like in virtually every single game), I will just assume it was the naivity we all had in our first game and let it go. It's not like a veteran had proposed a no lynch.
 

CrimsonFist

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I think your points are very narrow minded in this instance Sophia. Royal not his partner have made any good contribution. Royal is usually a low post count player but when he does post he shares good insight. Would you say that's the case this game? FEP has done nothing of use either. He's thrown shade and ghosted outside of one post I think. His partner may have a lot of posts but they were almost all overly defensive and ultimately culminated in a defensive vote as well. As for you and Crim I'm of a mind to wait. You're strong players so I don't find your situation as being some of the loudest town voices very alignment indicative thus far so I'd go with null.

This feels like a bit of a deflection, Sophia made a single post against your partner, but it's not like she has been solely tunnelling him, or even scum reading or accusing him of being more inactive than other players.
 

Natiko

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Dafuq is this post? Whataboutism of the highest order followed by a "To my credit, but I wont OMGUS you"... Your partner is posting an awful lot of nothings. Me, my partner, FEP or anyone else have nothing to do with this. Don't try to normalize his behavior.


That trauma never ends, does it? Here, have a banana:



As in "trying to bait Scum"?

And yes, if it comes from a newbie and somebody else already got in their face for it (like in virtually every single game), I will just assume it was the naivity we all had in our first game and let it go. It's not like a veteran had proposed a no lynch.
Way to just ignore that I brought up the topics of you and Tsu as well as kitsune and FEP quite a bit earlier. If throwing pot shots and bailing is how you wanna play though then by all means go for it and I'll keep my vote right where it is.
 

Natiko

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This feels like a bit of a deflection, Sophia made a single post against your partner, but it's not like she has been solely tunnelling him, or even scum reading or accusing him of being more inactive than other players.
She made a single post and I made a post in response explaining that in her post she made points that ignored context.
 

CrimsonFist

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She made a single post and I made a post in response explaining that in her post she made points that ignored context.

Sure, but you also said "look at these players who are contributing less," that feels like trying to deflect, especially when FEP at least hasn't been free of any scrutiny.
 

Sophia

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I think there's a difference between players who just aren't there and players who are there and are largely posting nonsense. It's why I'm a little bit more leniant on Royal and Tsu vs Nomadic (who's been shitposting a lot) and FEP (who has only a few posts that didn't seem very good?)
 

franconp

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She made a single post and I made a post in response explaining that in her post she made points that ignored context.

But you omitted the part where Nomad said that Fep has done nothing besides shitposting and he shared his thoughts when it didn't happened.

All we got from Nomad was shitposting and weird and nonsensical posts.
 

Natiko

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Sure, but you also said "look at these players who are contributing less," that feels like trying to deflect, especially when FEP at least hasn't been free of any scrutiny.
Context context context. I was pointing out that nomad was not alone in calling those players out. I was pointing out that I had already done so as well as his partner and I had contributed more than any of the people in question. Was responding to those specific points Sophia made i.e. "Nomad how can you with few content posts call out these other players?" by saying he was following my lead when I have had content posts.

Dolphin time though, I'll check back in later.
 

franconp

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Context context context. I was pointing out that nomad was not alone in calling those players out. I was pointing out that I had already done so as well as his partner and I had contributed more than any of the people in question. Was responding to those specific points Sophia made i.e. "Nomad how can you with few content posts call out these other players?" by saying he was following my lead when I have had content posts.

Dolphin time though, I'll check back in later.

So, we should suspect you both because, no matter how badly Nomad is playing, you are a good player?

That's not how this work.
 

Natiko

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So, we should suspect you both because, no matter how badly Nomad is playing, you are a good player?

That's not how this work.
No, I was saying that they should respond because it's not JUST nomad calling them out. Whole lot of comprehension fails occurring right now. If you want to suspect me or my partner then go for it. I'm more concerned with finding scum.
 

franconp

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No, I was saying that they should respond because it's not JUST nomad calling them out. Whole lot of comprehension fails occurring right now. If you want to suspect me or my partner then go for it. I'm more concerned with finding scum.

Maybe I'm suspecting you because I think you may be scum?

Believe it or not that's a valid option.
 

Dr. Worm

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while the fact that I find myself agreeing with Natiko on this critical matter of mafia security gives me pause, we should not ignore the fact that kingkitty has advocated that tunneling on a postier pair not four hours into the phase

So I probably won't have a real read list until at least a few days into this Day Phase. But for now I suggest we aggressively tunnel SophiaCrimson.

CrimsonFist does a joke post to 'randomly' vote for Trigger. But then on the same page takes what seems like another jokey post by Ty4on a little too seriously. I think it's weird.

Sophia saying "you're trying too hard" against MahDragon's early joke post seems weird too.

The slight weird makes my neck slightly itch with slight suspicion. Enough for me to suggest we wait til they both fall asleep and then aggressively turbo. Or not, but anyways this will be my vote at the moment.

vote: CrimsonFist

I may or may not have whatever issue with CrimSoph, but the machinations of Mr. kitty and Mr. bolus seem odd in this instance, given that Ourobolus hasn't addressed his vote really at all

WAMD seems fine, kitsune seems fine. I draw no inference from that interaction, just WAMD WAMDing around and a newbie tying herself into newbie knots.
 

Verelios

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Maybe I'm suspecting you because I think you may be scum?

Believe it or not that's a valid option.
I'm willing to give Natiko a pass on this instance since he hasn't done anything scummy (to me) and was active and engaging earlier.

What happened afterwards just seemed like he became frustrated and tried to defend Nomadic, even though there's truth in his criticism (which is kind of counterintuitive, since you should be able to call your lover out on their shit instead of enabling them).
 

Sorian

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Trying to play down my vote against his lover certain doesn't make me feel much better.

There's nothing to play down. The vote is missing a reason, so much so that I didn't even remember that you had a vote on us until I read this post. Trust me, I'd like Fat to engage more too and that's about the extent of a vote against my lover at this point.

So you would say that while playing as town you stop and consider how your posts/stances will be interpreted? You worry about 'looking good' to town? Because that was the crux of the issue. I don't think if you're town you should be all that concerned about such things as your actions should ultimately help clear you in their minds.

Yes and I have been doing that for a long time. That doesn't necessarily stop me from posting something that I know is going to get shit on as town or scum but I absolutely envision how the field is going to react to things I'll say regardless of alignment. Town has to be manipulative to garner supports for their votes just the same way that scum does and being dead is being dead. I'm the only one that I can know the alignment of so no matter how iron clad I think a read may be, it's still just that, a read (and yes, I know this game is in pairs so I know Fat's alignment too but you know what I mean).

"That's dumb" isn't really anything substantial for me to comment on? Like I don't know what you're expecting me to say, here

If you think the crux of my argument is "that's dumb" then you really aren't reading the thread and are just posting to look busy.

Now, while I'm here, can I just make an observation based on personal experience?

If you're shopping a No Lynch option on Day 1, you probably have some kind of manipulative intent up your sleeve.

and,



They did not coordinate it well.

Hmm

What does the hmm here insinuate?

I'm going to be honest here and hope it doesn't create any waves in my relationship. I can see where Kitsu is coming from. My first game here was Bloodborne and day 1 was a mix of settling in and trying to stay alive while coincidentally being productive. Key word, coincidentally. Not the best strategy, that. I can see they're doing a lot better than me by staying active and entering conversation, just that they're a bit passive/careful. I usually like to give new players a day phase or two since by that time they should have acclimatized and I'll have a somewhat accurate read of them.

On the other hand, I can see where bae is coming from. It's just that I'd be behind this if it wasn't someone new, but it is and that's giving me pause. Ask yourselves, if this was a thread against say, Flush, would you react the same way, or take it as a scumtell? I'd follow through and see if any slips appear.

The Vere half of the pair continues to save Dragonz.

While the FEP half did nothing for me on kitsune.
 

Sorian

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Samuraischnecke feels ignored, could you guys at least pretend you're a tiny bit suspicious of her

Both of you are new this season right or at least with only a game under your belt? That's the assumption I've been running on since I don't really know either of you.
 

Muffin1611

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Both of you are new this season right or at least with only a game under your belt? That's the assumption I've been running on since I don't really know either of you.

Yeah, we're completely new to Gafia. Played 2-3 a bit different Mafia games in a smaller forum before.

I'm of course kidding a bit, but I found it funny how her lengthy summary garnered absolutely no attention lol
 

Sorian

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Yeah, we're completely new to Gafia. Played 2-3 a bit different Mafia games in a smaller forum before.

I'm of course kidding a bit, but I found it funny how her lengthy summary garnered absolutely no attention lol

I kind of skimmed it (ie, I read my entry and then read entires of people I've been paying attention too). It read like the starry eyed new player trying to get thoughts out that ended up not amounting to much. Neither of you have really done anything weird for being new imo and with the two of supposedly being only in contact with each other, the scum tell from you will be easy since if you slip up and start mirroring any veteran then it'll be clear that you're in scum chat with someone else.
 

Sophia

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Yeah, we're completely new to Gafia. Played 2-3 a bit different Mafia games in a smaller forum before.

I'm of course kidding a bit, but I found it funny how her lengthy summary garnered absolutely no attention lol

I looked at her reads lists earlier, but then I got sidetracked and kind of forgot about her post. Gonna read her post over again, as I don't remember anything objectionable at first.

(Also I couldn't help but read your post as "NOTICE ME SENPAIS!!!!")
 

Sorian

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I looked at her reads lists earlier, but then I got sidetracked and kind of forgot about her post. Gonna read her post over again, as I don't remember anything objectionable at first.

(Also I couldn't help but read your post as "NOTICE ME SENPAIS!!!!")

That's exactly what the post was
 

kingkitty

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while the fact that I find myself agreeing with Natiko on this critical matter of mafia security gives me pause, we should not ignore the fact that kingkitty has advocated that tunneling on a postier pair not four hours into the phase

If you think I was serious about the "lets tunnel someone 4 hours into this game", then either 1) I guess you didn't get my joke or 2) You're reaching too hard

or maybe a bit of both.

whatever the truth may be, I'm writing this down in my notebook.
 

Dr. Worm

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idk man, phrasing aside, the complaints you lodged seem weird to me

like, I could lodge complaints, but they wouldn't be the same

like you're specifically looking for reasons to go after 'em

but I admit that this was a reach and I'm not a point where I'd vote based on it
 

Ty4on

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idk man, phrasing aside, the complaints you lodged seem weird to me

like, I could lodge complaints, but they wouldn't be the same

like you're specifically looking for reasons to go after 'em

but I admit that this was a reach and I'm not a point where I'd vote based on it
You have some other thoughts? Iirc you haven't shared a lot of thoughts other than some general statements.
 

Dr. Worm

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I just woke up. I'm getting lunch, and then I'm catching up.

Fair warning, I am cranky af because I did not sleep well.

do you take melatonin supplements?

I usually take a 3 mg gummy before I go to bed, and it usually does the trick