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Love Boat 2 [Mafia] |OT| Electric Boogalove

Burbeting

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Of course OG is down right now, but I'm quite sure you told me "at random". I even looked it back up after Ouro's description.

Really? If that happened, it would have been a mistake from me.

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The existence of a virgin was implied on the role name being 'Hooker instead of a Roleblocker. I didn't want to outright confirm Virgin's existence on the role pm since it would have given scum even more help.

With the scum silence it has always been tiptoeing on the issue, how much info should all sides have.
 

Karkador

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I did ask Burb a pretty cheeky question about silencer.

Burbeting said:
Karkador said:
Hi Burb,

Hypothetical question from the perspective of Town:

My partner and I just got hit by an effect that closes our boat chat for the day.

Would this close an entire mafia player's chat?

I cannot answer what would happen if power like that would hit a mafia player.
 
The existence of a virgin was implied on the role name being 'Hooker instead of a Roleblocker. I didn't want to outright confirm Virgin's existence on the role pm since it would have given scum even more help.
But isn't that kind of deriving information from flavor? Sure, the game is Vanilla flavored so one could argue that the roles work exactly as described in the mafiascum wiki; but even then it is required to even think about looking your own role up if you're not an experienced player who knows that a hooker could imply a virgin.

For perspective: These issues are smaller than I make them sound rn. The game itself and your moderation have been solid or better.
 

CrimsonFist

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Gossip Chat Crimson said:
My prediction for today is that we get lynched and town loses.

But lets positive thinking ^_^

At least I got that part right.

And this part:

Gossip Chat Crimson said:
If Sawrian are scum I don't think they're going to get lynched and then we all look silly for giving the claimed Hookers a pass as town.
 

CrimsonFist

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I don't think there's an issue with the flavour on the hookers, since the hint was there, and it's more focused on the impact on the virgins, who do have the relevant information in their role.

The silencers yeah, could maybe have been a bit less ambiguous, since as a town role the pseudo cop element could have been intentional.
 

Ty4on

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But isn't that kind of deriving information from flavor? Sure, the game is Vanilla flavored so one could argue that the roles work exactly as described in the mafiascum wiki; but even then it is required to even think about looking your own role up if you're not an experienced player who knows that a hooker could imply a virgin.

For perspective: These issues are smaller than I make them sound rn. The game itself and your moderation have been solid or better.
Yeah. It is assumed that the player will connect the dots and understand a virgin is probably in use.
 
Really? If that happened, it would have been a mistake from me.
Hey, OG back up. That's what you told me before the game started:
In that case, one of the pair is in charge of sending out the command. In the post where I inform the pair about their chat being silenced, I also inform which one of the two is in charge of the command. The one in charge is decided by RNG.
Not that it would have made any difference once I assumed that Scum knew what would happen to a silenced Town PR, so it was NAI. I was just a bit confused about it.
 

Burbeting

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But isn't that kind of deriving information from flavor? Sure, the game is Vanilla flavored so one could argue that the roles work exactly as described in the mafiascum wiki, but even then it is required to even think about looking your own role up if you're not an experienced player who knows that a hooker could imply a virgin.

For perspective: These issues are smaller than I make them sound rn. The game itself and your moderation have been solid or better.

Yeah. These are all issues that are about trying to finetune the balancing. The virgins were basically the only source of protection for town (outside one of the perks bookies could have reached), so I was worried informing out right about the virgins could give scum too much advantage from the balance perspective. In hindsight informing them might have been wiser, since Sawrian not realising the existence of the virgins an alibi I did not foresee coming.
 

Burbeting

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Hey, OG back up. That's what you told me before the game started:

Not that it would have made any difference once I assumed that Scum knew what would happen to a silenced Town PR, so it was NAI. I was just a bit confused about it.

Welp. Then it's 100% my fault for making that mistake. I'm so sorry!
 

CrimsonFist

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Oh, one other note on modding, when you say "don't discuss this replacement," that's normally said when players learn something that they shouldn't, ie. who scum is. I know there's no good way to handle something like that, but it might be better just to omit that part regardless of the reason for the replacement so that it looks like a more natural replacement.

Or maybe it was only me who was thinking that way.
 

Burbeting

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The Bookies would have had these perks:

1st Right Guess: BP for next night phase (This was reached, but it was N3 where everyone got BP anyway. Bad luck!)

2nd Right Guess: 1 shot alignment cop for next night phase.

3rd Right Guess: Doublevote for both bookies during next day phase.
 

RetroMG

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Boards will be open as soon as I can get them open.

(There are a lot of them, and I have a wiggly child on my lap)
 

Xbro

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Yeah that silencing slip was actually not a slip. Or at least not a slip in the way you guys were thinking.

I wasn't lying when I said my "Day 2" referred to the entire day and night phase. I had misread the text and thought the scum chat was silenced for the entirety of Day and Night, and we would have to submit a kill without discussing it first. Ironically, Kark's post made me realize that we weren't silenced for Day and Night.
 

CrimsonFist

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There were three times as many people in the scum chat as there were in our gossip and you couldn't even double our post count?
 

hey_monkey

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Yes, spec also please!

And I thought we were pretty busy in our chat, and figured we'd have good numbers despite me coming in late, but DAMN y'all. Wow.
 

Muffin1611

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I hope all players who didn't play in Love Boat 1 can comment on how they felt about the lovers mechanic. LB1 veterans can answer too, even if this was their second rodeo.

Personally I think I shouldn't have chosen a partner game as my first one. With so many people it's just too much to keep track of. Especially with two newbies in one team.

GG everyone, btw.
 

hey_monkey

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maaaaaaaan looking at these boats there are so many things I wanted said in the game threads or like emblazoned in the sky in bold text with flashing neon

The pair game was fun. I had a blast with my partner but honestly for non-game related reasons. Our times didn't align so I just did most of my work in the thread as usual.
 

Karkador

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I think it was good as a contingency plan, but it would have been hard to pull off with both scum pairs looking pretty shifty and having far less voting power.
 

Xbro

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I think it was good as a contingency plan, but it would have been hard to pull off with both scum pairs looking pretty shifty and having far less voting power.

Well considering people were already thinking that there was no way us and Sawrian were on a team, it would have sealed the deal. I was worried that Natiko might see through it, but when Flush came in and flat out said the plan would have worked I kind of wished we did it.
 

Sawneeks

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We did it!!! I'm so proud of all you guys! We showed them that true love always wins <3

also i'm never letting any of you live down Town Hooker

weirdest claim and you all just ate it up....
 

Ourobolus

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We did it!!! I'm so proud of all you guys! We showed them that true love always wins <3

also i'm never letting any of you live down Town Hooker

weirdest claim and you all just ate it up....

i lost my voice from all the screaming

i even spelled it all out on D3 why the roleblocker was scum

and the one who was debating it was the one who claimed roleblocker

c'mon guys
 

hey_monkey

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We did it!!! I'm so proud of all you guys! We showed them that true love always wins <3

also i'm never letting any of you live down Town Hooker

weirdest claim and you all just ate it up....

On the upside, I'm never believing any damn weird ass claim again (UNTIL THE NEXT TIME I DO)
Sorian's negative utility arguments were top notch. He sold it. But we're still dumb.

i dunno how you played so well tbh

and i dont know why i reverted back to my first mafia game of not trusting you

I come across as very untrustworthy, I've learned. It's okay, I still love you.
 

Natiko

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i lost my voice from all the screaming

i even spelled it all out on D3 why the roleblocker was scum

and the one who was debating it was the one who claimed roleblocker

c'mon guys
Maybe you shouldn't have gone and got yourself lynched and you could've led us to victory :p
 

Ourobolus

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I didn't think you looked scummy. I didn't really think the vote on you was justified ,but lol

Honestly had I been you guys, I would have voted for me too just for closure's sake. FEP's "bus" comment was fucking genius and I'm both pissed off and proud of him for doing it.
 

Sawneeks

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ggs all around too, special thanks to bear for running the game as well! It was a lot of fun to play in~

And special thanks to FEP for helping set up the Ouro lynch AND putting distance between our two boats. All without a chat. That was really, really well done. :x

I KNEW IT SAW I KNEW IT

you know my scum game too well, achors <3

But why? Why on earth did Sawrian claim when they did. I just looked back over the D1 votes and I think even if we lynched Xkark I would have gone after Crimsonphia afterwards... gg, I guess.

Because the questions being asked at the start of the Day Phase were ones we couldn't answer without continuously jumping around our claim. It also felt like it was dangerously close to snowballing into accusations and votes against us and I wanted to snuff that out before it got out of hand. Continuing to post without answering those questions would've looked bad.

also part of the Town Hooker claim Sorian came up with involved claiming as early as possible. :p

I hope all players who didn't play in Love Boat 1 can comment on how they felt about the lovers mechanic. LB1 veterans can answer too, even if this was their second rodeo.

Not too sure how much I can answer this since playing Scum wasn't as different other than having someone else attached at the hip. It was kinda nice since I could actively sheep a scummate and it wouldn't be seen as weird but other than that it just felt like a normal scum team.

Having everyone be pairs did help offset the massive amount of people that were in the game but it was still really tough at times keeping up with everyone. aBut the teams did help get mislynches going so that was a plus too. :p

i lost my voice from all the screaming

i even spelled it all out on D3 why the roleblocker was scum

and the one who was debating it was the one who claimed roleblocker

c'mon guys

but ouro, we sat on you ( town ) twice in a row. why would scum ever do such a thing???
 

Darryl

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Remember how many valid reasons I found to Lynch Sorian every single day phase and it never happened
 

Xbro

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Honestly had I been you guys, I would have voted for me too just for closure's sake. FEP's "bus" comment was fucking genius and I'm both pissed off and proud of him for doing it.

I was laughing when I saw it. It was brilliant because I was pretty sure he knew he put it there because he was the one who pointed it out.

Remember how many valid reasons I found to Lynch Sorian every single day phase and it never happened

Everyone just took that as Darryl vs Sorian round 50


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I recall somewhere in Day 2 Kitsune was blatantly ignoring questions about her chat. I figured I would be hanged on that.
 

Darryl

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Everyone did so good. Hey_monkey and Natikos had some killer late game analysis that really impressed me. Sophia and crimson were only held back by not playing enough or being assertive enough, their intuition was great. I did trust Ty/Trig and Our/KK - they projected their towniness a lot imo and also those two teams had a special place in my heart for feeling like the most likely to humor me lol
 

Sophia

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Sorry about the outbursts a few times, Natiko + everyone else. I had a really hectic month, which made playing this game difficult. Between having to deal with my uncle (who called up like clockwork drunk almost every night for a few weeks during the early day phases) and my hormones being increased causing moodswings, I was pretty much unable to think correctly from Day 4 onward. >_<;

Everyone did so good. Hey_monkey and Natikos had some killer late game analysis that really impressed me. Sophia and crimson were only held back by not playing enough or being assertive enough, their intuition was great. I did trust Ty/Trig and Our/KK - they projected their towniness a lot imo and also those two teams had a special place in my heart for feeling like the most likely to humor me lol

I feel really bad, because at various points in the lovers chat we correctly figured out who the scum team was and didn't push up on it. We really should have pushed insanely hard for Sorian and Sawneeks after Ty4on flipped another power role, because it was obvious then.